4 Israeli men fined for causing chaos at hospital in Mae Hong Son

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, CFIAM said:

 

Allow me to give you some random excerpts:

 

 

I read it already. 

[CFIAM]

Just now, Jingthing said:

I read it already. 

 

So then stop with the ridiculous defence of them "having issues with the care". It's exactly the same behaviour noted back in the 90's. Shockingly rude and arrogant. Simply because the outrageous manner in which their country exists has emboldened them. That's the truth.

[black tabby12345]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not defending their behavior because you need to respect the culture when you travel but I can believe they had issues with the care.

 

I would say, it is more likely a rule observation issue, rather than cultural matter.

Wherever they are, (attempt of ) illegal entry into Restricted Area will be penalized.

Even if they did the same in USA(supposedly their closest ally and biggest military & political  backer).

It won't give them any immunity just because they are from Israel.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, black tabby12345 said:

 

I would say, it is more likely a rule observation issue, rather than cultural matter.

Wherever they are, (attempt of ) illegal entry into Restricted Area will be penalized.

Even if they did the same in USA(supposedly their closest ally and biggest military & political  backer).

It won't give them any immunity just because they are from Israel.

Neither would I.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, CFIAM said:

 

So then stop with the ridiculous defence of them "having issues with the care". It's exactly the same behaviour noted back in the 90's. Shockingly rude and arrogant. Simply because the outrageous manner in which their country exists has emboldened them. That's the truth.

Not defending them. Stop lying.

[MalcolmB]

6 hours ago, zepplin said:

The most hated nationality around the world, here on samui there are signs saying no Israel s allowed on certain premises, for exactly the same reason! 
what a general pack of A holes!

And in Thailand. 
It wasn’t that long ago that you would see signs in resorts restaurants and even hairdressers in Thailand saying “No Israelis” 

Makes you feel for the citzens of the West Bank.

[CFIAM]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Not defending them. Stop lying.

 

 

Everyone can see it. 

 

  

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not defending their behavior because you need to respect the culture when you travel but I can believe they had issues with the care.

 

That, after you read the article and knew that it was not just an isolated incident. Who is lying and being disingenuous here? Hint: It's not me.

[CFIAM]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

And in Thailand. 
It wasn’t that long ago that you would see signs in resorts restaurants and even hairdressers in Thailand saying “No Israelis” 

Makes you feel for the citzens of the West Bank.

 

It certainly wasn't due to anti-Semitism. It has always been a behavioural issue.

[cdnvic]

Removed some personal attacks. Everyone calm down please. I don't want to sideline anyone. 

[Nick Carter icp]

24 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

And in Thailand. 
It wasn’t that long ago that you would see signs in resorts restaurants and even hairdressers in Thailand saying “No Israelis” 

Makes you feel for the citzens of the West Bank.

 

  Malcolm : Are you going to post that one sign from 25 years ago that said "No Israelis" again ?

   Wasn't there 1 sign on Koh Samui and you've been making 1 point ever since ?

 

 

[oslooskar]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Similar things are said about the Russians , Chinese , Indians , British , Kuwaitis and Americans 

Yes, but when such claims are made about the Israelis, they are more believable. After all, I've been to Russia and China, hitchhiked across India twice, and also hitched in the U.K. and once across the USA. I also lived and worked in Israel for five months and had both of my Israeli employers there try to screw me out of my hard earned money. That being said, I do not think the Israelis are bad people, I think they are just rude and obnoxious. 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, oslooskar said:

Yes, but when such claims are made about the Israelis, they are more believable. After all, I've been to Russia and China, hitchhiked across India twice, and also hitched in the U.K. and once across the USA. I also lived and worked in Israel for five months and had both of my Israeli employers there try to screw me out of my hard earned money. That being said, I do not think the Israelis are bad people, I think they are just rude and obnoxious. 

 

   But was you working in Russia , China , and India and USA and UK ?

You are hardly likely to try and get "screwed out" of your salary if you weren't even receiving a salary .

   I can assure you , employers from every Country can behave similarly 

[CFIAM]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   But was you working in Russia , China , and India and USA and UK ?

You are hardly likely to try and get "screwed out" of your salary if you weren't even receiving a salary .

   I can assure you , employers from every Country can behave similarly 

 

Why is this so hard for you to accept? Do you think everyone is just making it all up to upset you?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, CFIAM said:

 

To be honest, their behaviour was so horrible in the 90's, that people took pleasure when one of them got blocked at the airport in Malaysia. I think it was discretionary.

 

   Many young Israelis have just spent 3 years in the IDF , where they spend 3 years living a restricted regimented life and often being out in dangerous situations where the locals abuse them and want to kill them .They are also from the Middle East and people are often hot headed .

   They them also get quite a lot of abuse from other travellers when they go abroad .

   Other travellers would jeer at Israelis , just because they were from Israel .

   Its little wonder that they can be rude at times , especially when they are young and just come out of 3 years military service 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Many young Israelis have just spent 3 years in the IDF , where they spend 3 years living a restricted regimented life and often being out in dangerous situations where the locals abuse them and want to kill them .They are also from the Middle East and people are often hot headed .

   They them also get quite a lot of abuse from other travellers when they go abroad .

   Other travellers would jeer at Israelis , just because they were from Israel .

   Its little wonder that they can be rude at times , especially when they are young and just come out of 3 years military service 

Your continously apologies for your people is amazing 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, CFIAM said:

 

Why is this so hard for you to accept? Do you think everyone is just making it all up to upset you?

 

   Do you disagree with me ?

Are you saying that Israelis are the ONLY employees in the world who try and underpay their workers ?

   Are you really saying that Jews are the only employers in the World who try and screw employees out of money and no other people in the World do that , whilst at the same time denying being anti semitic?

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Hummin said:

Your continously apologies for your people is amazing 

 

   Could you please delete that claim ?

The claim that they are my people ?

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Could you please delete that claim ?

The claim that they are my people ?

They are your people in your hearth, do not take everything literally. You always defends them with all of your hearth, even proofs talks against you and them

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

They are your people in your hearth, do not take everything literally. You always defends them with all of your hearth, even proofs talks against you and them

 

   Did you write that in Norwegian and put it through google translate ?

Or was that subtle reference to the Holocaust ?

("Hearth" being a fireplace )

[CFIAM]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Many young Israelis have just spent 3 years in the IDF , where they spend 3 years living a restricted regimented life and often being out in dangerous situations where the locals abuse them and want to kill them .They are also from the Middle East and people are often hot headed .

   They them also get quite a lot of abuse from other travellers when they go abroad .

   Other travellers would jeer at Israelis , just because they were from Israel .

   Its little wonder that they can be rude at times , especially when they are young and just come out of 3 years military service 

 

This reads like a lot of excuses. As a backpacker, I have not ever seen the kind of behaviour against Israelis that you appear to have fabricated.

Backpackers would welcome everyone, to their tables, to their homes. It was normal. The Israelis would behave differently. They would take everything for themselves. In hotels they would take all of the towels meant for hotel guests and put them in their rooms. They would use the gyms and help themselves to orange juice and fruit from the fridges and when it came to pay, would argue they thought that the food and drink were free and try to renegotiate the entry price of the gym, even though the price was up on the wall.

They changed the whole policy of places like Samui, in which you would be left alone to take whatever you wanted by just entering what you took into a book. Your room, your food, the gyms. Everything was use first and pay later. There were no cameras. Just trust. All that ended because of the Israelis. Now you have to pay first for most everything.

'People jeering them because they were from Israel' didn't cause that behaviour. You just pull out the victim card. But that's old and tired now. Most everyone can see through it.

All of that stopped because of the Israelis. 

 

[CFIAM]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Did you write that in Norwegian and put it through google translate ?

Or was that subtle reference to the Holocaust ?

("Hearth" being a fireplace )

 

Stop Trolling. English is not his first language. Such underhand behaviour.

[CFIAM]

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Could you please delete that claim ?

The claim that they are my people ?

 

Your defence of them and the indefensible makes his claim seem accurate. Prove otherwise.

[CFIAM]

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you disagree with me ?

Are you saying that Israelis are the ONLY employees in the world who try and underpay their workers ?

   Are you really saying that Jews are the only employers in the World who try and screw employees out of money and no other people in the World do that , whilst at the same time denying being anti semitic?

 

I'm saying that this thread isn't about EMPLOYERS. He mentioned it as an aside, but it doesn't detract from the other realities on the ground and especially this topic.

[Burma Bill]

7 hours ago, JoePai said:

Hmm where do they think they are, Gaza ?  😡

 

With respect, I am sure "Gaza" has no idea!

 

(Paul Gascoigne "Gaza" - famous/infamous English Soccer player.)

[Nick Carter icp]

11 minutes ago, CFIAM said:

 

Your defence of them and the indefensible makes his claim seem accurate. Prove otherwise.

 

   Anyone who isn't Anti semitic must be a Jew themselves ?

(BTW, its against forum rules to request other posters personal info )

[jayboy]

1 hour ago, CFIAM said:

 

So are they any Jew haters here? I ask you since you claim that you can recognize them.

 

I think it's relatively straight forward to recognize them even though they often camouflage their meaning to appease modern sensibilities, eg referring to Zionists when they simply mean most Jews.They know of course that most Jews whether resident or not are profoundly attached to Israel and its security. Jews have diverse views and there has always been a contrarian faction.Some have no religion at all and are only Jews in a cultural sense. That diversity doesn't save them when the Jew haters are on the march as in the Holocaust when millions of men, women and children were massacred.

 

Actually in recent months after the Hamas murderous activity and the Israeli response, antisemitism has been less concerned at hiding itself as I saw for myself in London recently with demonstrators screaming antisemitic abuse and holding banners with vile racist slogans (which I will not repeat here).

 

As to your question whether there are Jew haters on this forum, I'm not going to get into that.For anybody with historical, cultural and political insight the answer is very clear.

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, CFIAM said:

 

This reads like a lot of excuses. As a backpacker, I have not ever seen the kind of behaviour against Israelis that you appear to have fabricated.

 

   Well , I have .

Seems like you were one of the people giving then abuse , thus you didn't see it yourself or you just regarded it as normal behaviour , abusung Jews

[CFIAM]

2 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

I think it's relatively straight forward to recognize them even though they often camouflage their meaning to appease modern sensibilities, eg referring to Zionists when they simply mean most Jews.They know of course that most Jews whether resident or not are profoundly attached to Israel and its security. Jews have diverse views and there has always been a contrarian faction.Some have no religion at all and are only Jews in a cultural sense. That diversity doesn't save them when the Jew haters are on the march as in the Holocaust when millions of men, women and children were massacred.

 

Actually in recent months after the Hamas murderous activity and the Israeli response, antisemitism has been less concerned at hiding itself as I saw for myself in London recently with demonstrators screaming antisemitic abuse and holding banners with vile racist slogans (which I will not repeat here).

 

As to your question whether there are Jew haters on this forum, I'm not going to get into that.For anybody with historical, cultural and political insight the answer is very clear.

 

I don't know who you are talking about. Just some general scribble about some imaginary people. 

We are discussing Israelis. If you have some information about Jew haters here, then let's see it.

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, CFIAM said:

 

Stop Trolling. English is not his first language. Such underhand behaviour.

 

   Are you for real ?

There was nothing underhand about my post , it was the complete opposite to underhand

[bradiston]

2 hours ago, CFIAM said:

 

What claim? I was just recounting an experience travelling via Malaysia.

 

If you want to know about relations with Malaysia at the time, Mahathir bin Mohamad was PM.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Malaysia_relations

You didn't make the claim as I pointed out. Are you Israeli? Were you denied entry?