Why China will prevail over the US in this crazy world of Trump 2.0

[spidermike007]

China will not only win this trade war, they will kick the US in the butt. Just another example of simpletons under estimating them, and diminishing not only the US economy, but it's remaining influence. And in the process dramatically overestimating the importance and the influence of the US on the rest of the world.

 

There is no question America is not the country that it once was, and that the entire planet is infinitely less dependent on them than they used to be.

 

Which is a good thing for the planet, but a terrible thing for the very simplistic president of the US. 

 

He has never won a trade war with Xi, and he was outsmarted in every negotiation with Kim, Putin and MBS. Trump is an absolutely terrible negotiator. 

 

https://youtu.be/HO7mt7d9Zp8?si=-LgZ__a835aIKdel

 

[Harrisfan]

Says a liberal Trump hater. If Trump was so bad last time why did he win last year? Because he was not bad last time.

[proton]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

China will not only win this trade war, they will kick the US in the butt. Just another example of simpletons under estimating them

 

Don't fall for CCP propaganda of how advanced, technologically ahead and how powerful their military is, mostly a sham.

[NickyLouie]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is an absolutely terrible negotiator. 

 

 

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, NickyLouie said:

 

 

Guy wins 2 elections with msm against him is stupid and bad at negotiations while liberals are smart and good at it 

[hotsun]

OP loves his posts so much he keeps them all in a database on his computer. 50% of his posts are not original content

[Briggsy]

Trump will trade personal flattery and private enrichment from the world's worst regimes for a free pass from the Government of the United States. In other words he will leverage the Office of the President for personal gain. The losers will be the people of the United States and the Western world.

 

He is completely unfit for office.

[Harrisfan]

5 minutes ago, hotsun said:

OP loves his posts so much he keeps them all in a database on his computer. 50% of his posts are not original content

Cut and paste liberal. 

[Sigmund]

Biden was 10 times worse and has left a disastrous heritage of wars and belligerence all over. No to mention the hateful sanctions against Russia that have plunged the prosperity in mainland Europe. Fyi, europeans in majority support Trump and were just fed up with the tricks and politics of Biden.

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Trump will trade personal flattery and private enrichment from the world's worst regimes for a free pass from the Government of the United States. In other words he will leverage the Office of the President for personal gain. The losers will be the people of the United States and the Western world.

 

He is completely unfit for office.

Says a liberal. Tariffs will help local businesses supply goods to local buyers at competitive prices.

[novacova]

19 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

China will not only win this trade war, they will kick the US in the butt. Just another example of simpletons under estimating them, and diminishing not only the US economy, but it's remaining influence. And in the process dramatically overestimating the importance and the influence of the US on the rest of the world.

Good grief, not even close. China is so far behind that their economy depends on trading with the US. Stop watching so much media garbage and go read a book.

[hotsun]

Just now, novacova said:

Good grief, not even close. China is so far behind that their economy depends on trading with the US. Stop watching so much media garbage and go read a book.

This isnt a case of the left thinking china will win. This is a case of the left wanting them to win

[Harrisfan]

China buys 7.3% of US exports

US buys 14.8% of Chinese exports.

 

China needs US more than vice versa

[novacova]

Just now, hotsun said:

This isnt a case of the left thinking china will win. This is a case of the left wanting them to win

Right, everything that the lefties here are verbatim reiterations of the media.

[hotsun]

OP why dont you post your support for the iran regime as well. It wouldnt surprise anyone

[Dan O]

29 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Says a liberal Trump hater. If Trump was so bad last time why did he win last year? Because he was not bad last time.

Any president that approached the US govt structure and the global trade partners and allies in this manner would have the same results. The US is no longer the influencer it once was and you are going to see those cracks expand. China is in an excellent position to dominate in a trade war as the govt controls the economy completely and has shown numerous times they are willing to dump goods and flood a market at a loss as well as cut off importation from the US. Now with Brics trying to form Trump is playing right into the justification and need for it. 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Any president that approached the US govt structure and the global trade partners and allies in this manner would have the same results. The US is no longer the influencer it once was and you are going to see those cracks expand. China is in an excellent position to dominate in a trade war as the govt controls the economy completely and has shown numerous times they are willing to dump goods and flood a market at a loss as well as cut off importation from the US. Now with Brics trying to form Trump is playing right into the justification and need for it. 

China loses twice as much trade due to the trade imbalance. China loses. 14.8% vs 7.3%. 

[Dan O]

18 minutes ago, hotsun said:

This isnt a case of the left thinking china will win. This is a case of the left wanting them to win

that is the most ridiculous statement Ive seen on here in a while

[Dan O]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

China loses twice as much trade due to the trade imbalance. China loses. 14.8% vs 7.3%. 

That means nothing. Do a little research historically and you'll see a different picture. The have no problem flooding the market with subsidized products and with trumps actions dividing the allies and trade parts we have who do you think they will turn to in place of the US products?

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

That means nothing. Do a little research historically and you'll see a different picture. The have no problem flooding the market with subsidized products and with trumps actions dividing the allies and trade parts we have who do you think they will turn to in place of the US products?

They sell lots of junk. I buy made in Japan goods.

[Dan O]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

They sell lots of junk. I buy made in Japan goods.

yes they do sell a lot of junk cheap that a lot of people buy. They also trans-ship thru other countries to hide the country of origin.

[spidermike007]

50 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Don't fall for CCP propaganda of how advanced, technologically ahead and how powerful their military is, mostly a sham.

Are you claiming the same about their industrial might? Chinese exports now account for over 30% of entire worldwide trade. 

[Sir Dude]

China is in a lot more trouble than most think. China has a collasping demographic with far too many older people and not enough workers that earn and spend/consume, plus their economy is in major trouble and relying on manufacturing is a a risky strategy, hence why they are deserpate to change that. On top of all that, they are sinking in debt, much of it hidden in local government shadow debt. Beijing does growth differently to the rest of the world, it decides how much it will be and then tasks local government to meet its targets... trouble written all over it and it's not as if the figures are reliable, and most economist/China observers/think tanks agree that their figure are made-up BS. Add to that the youth movement about "Let it rot" etc. reflect the dissillionment of the young in the country as they simply can't get ahead, regardless of how hard they work... they are just exploited, and uni grduates are finding impossible to get the jobs they want.

China is in horrible trouble and the CCP just lies about everything to cover it all up and pretend it's all fine... don't buy into the commie propaganda.

[spidermike007]

29 minutes ago, hotsun said:

OP why dont you post your support for the iran regime as well. It wouldnt surprise anyone

Kind of a typical response of a Trump supporter, it's the old Bush Jr. Doctrine, you're either with us or you're against us, everything's black and white and there is no gray area, no nuance, no room for discussion, no debate.

 

We are the best, we are number one, we always have been, and we always will be. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

4 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

China is in a lot more trouble than most think. China has a collasping demographic with far too many older people and not enough workers that earn and spend/consume, plus their economy is in major trouble and relying on manufacturing is a a risky strategy, hence why they are deserpate to change that. On top of all that, they are sinking in debt, much of it hidden in local government shadow debt. Beijing does growth differently to the rest of the world, it decides how much it will be and then tasks local government to meet its targets... trouble written all over it and it's not as if the figures are reliable, and most economist/China observers/think tanks agree that their figure are made-up BS. Add to that the youth movement about "Let it rot" etc. reflect the dissillionment of the young in the country as they simply can't get ahead, regardless of how hard they work... they are just exploited, and uni grduates are finding impossible to get the jobs they want.

China is in horrible trouble and the CCP just lies about everything to cover it all up and pretend it's all fine... don't buy into the commie propaganda.

While I do agree with some of those points, personally I think the US is in a lot of trouble on a lot of levels, most of which is simply not acknowledged by relatively simple minded, propagandist chest pounders like Trump. 

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Kind of a typical response of a Trump supporter, it's the old Bush Jr. Doctrine, you're either with us or you're against us, everything's black and white and there is no gray area, no nuance, no room for discussion, no debate.

 

We are the best, we are number one, we always have been, and we always will be. 

 

 

You seem to hate America

[OneMoreFarang]

The question is how low does America have to sink until Americans realize this.

And if they realize this, will they be able to reverse the situation? I don't think so.

 

One of their biggest problems is that they just "know" that they are the best and greatest and all that. Most are not interested in reality. One day, when they start to realize reality, that will really hurt.

 

 

[Harrisfan]

27 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The question is how low does America have to sink until Americans realize this.

And if they realize this, will they be able to reverse the situation? I don't think so.

 

One of their biggest problems is that they just "know" that they are the best and greatest and all that. Most are not interested in reality. One day, when they start to realize reality, that will really hurt.

 

 

Biggest economy in the world. Where do you come from? 

[lom]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

China buys 7.3% of US exports

US buys 14.8% of Chinese exports.

 

China needs US more than vice versa

China has more goods that US wants. US has less goods that China wants.

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, lom said:

China has more goods that US wants. US has less goods that China wants.

China needs the money.