BREAKING NEWS Trump Signals Potential Meeting with Putin in Saudi Arabia Amid Ukraine War Talks

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 By Putin or Musk? 

 

Would Musk not stand to make more money if  the Russia-Ukraine war went on indefinitely?

Putin even overrides Musk in this triumvirate!

[scottiejohn]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did Putin illegally invade Ukraine?

There is only one logical and truthful answer to that question;

 

YES

[zmisha]

The meeting place may change several times. Z guys are hoping that the meeting will be in the Kremlin. In that case, tovarisch Trump will have to wait for Vladimir on a very small, uncomfortable chair near the door.

[Simon1287]

As someone who has, obviously been aware of the situation since the beginning, as we all are, but never looked at it very carefully it would be interesting to hear from the chaps that actually do know far more about what’s going on out there.

 

My view (the view of someone who knows nothing more than what casual readings on the internet have shown him): Ukraine is never, ever and ever going to get the Russians out of what the Russians now consider to be theirs. I see that as a fact which obv Trump does too so whatever happens next has to have that fact taken into account. Anything that does not take that into account may as well not even start. 

 

Any other way of thinking is condemning untold more 1000’s upon 1000’s to misery and death for nothing more than the profits of the munitions and medical supplies manufacturers and the multi nationals just waiting in the wings for the huge contracts that will be available for the eventual rebuilding. 

 

If there is a way to end it now with any certainty so millions of people can get back to something less horrific then it has to be considered. 

 

Putin will never give up what he's taken so far. He would sooner die. To do so would be to admit defeat and that the whole god awful thing was a total waste of everything. He will simply continue fighting until all he has left to use are weapons that must never be used.

 

The Ukrainians have been astounding in their bravery and tenacity but it’s everyone else that is paying to continue the war so everyone else has just as much right to decide what happens next as they do. Probably more so. As with everything else in life, you pay, you choose. 

 

No need to jump down my throat over this I am just saying what casual observations lead me to think and I am very curious see what people who have taken far more interest in this subject than I have say is the actual situation so I can be enlightened.

 

I wait with true and genuine interest.

 

Simon

[Hanaguma]

37 minutes ago, Simon1287 said:

As someone who has, obviously been aware of the situation since the beginning, as we all are, but never looked at it very carefully it would be interesting to hear from the chaps that actually do know far more about what’s going on out there.

 

My view (the view of someone who knows nothing more than what casual readings on the internet have shown him): Ukraine is never, ever and ever going to get the Russians out of what the Russians now consider to be theirs. I see that as a fact which obv Trump does too so whatever happens next has to have that fact taken into account. Anything that does not take that into account may as well not even start. 

 

Any other way of thinking is condemning untold more 1000’s upon 1000’s to misery and death for nothing more than the profits of the munitions and medical supplies manufacturers and the multi nationals just waiting in the wings for the huge contracts that will be available for the eventual rebuilding. 

 

If there is a way to end it now with any certainty so millions of people can get back to something less horrific then it has to be considered. 

 

Putin will never give up what he's taken so far. He would sooner die. To do so would be to admit defeat and that the whole god awful thing was a total waste of everything. He will simply continue fighting until all he has left to use are weapons that must never be used.

 

The Ukrainians have been astounding in their bravery and tenacity but it’s everyone else that is paying to continue the war so everyone else has just as much right to decide what happens next as they do. Probably more so. As with everything else in life, you pay, you choose. 

 

No need to jump down my throat over this I am just saying what casual observations lead me to think and I am very curious see what people who have taken far more interest in this subject than I have say is the actual situation so I can be enlightened.

 

I wait with true and genuine interest.

 

Simon

Simon makes sense. Of course nobody wants to see a bully profit from their aggression. But the cost of returning to status quo ante is more than the game is worth. 

 

Is Ukraine worth a potential World War 3 between NATO and Russia? That is the bottom line. Because the Ukranians won't be able to expell the Russians from their territory otherwise. They will only gradually lose more and more territory and more and more lives. 

 

Ukraine isnt a NATO member, or EU member, was never actually a free and democratic country. I don't think it is worth the expenditure of blood and treasure to make them whole. So they lose some land, gain some security guarantees, and move forward. 

[Patong2021]

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

And this is one of the reasons I don't trust Trump, despite the things I've seen DOGE undertake that I like. Trump folds too easily internationally. He did so with China in his first term. And now he's looking incredibly soft by taking up Russian positions on the war in Ukraine. I don't mind reducing US military aid to Ukraine. In fact, the US needs for the Europeans to make Ukraine their project, not America's. But the US needs to stand firm against Putin for no other reason than he is China's foremost ally. In reality, the US needs to focus on East Asia and China and redeploy as much as possible to the Philippines and Japan. The Euros have made clear that they'll not help us in the Pacific, with the Germans, French, and British already moving to accommodate China. So maintain sanctions on Russia and provide some minor material support to Ukraine until Russia loses. But the Europeans need to step up themselves.

 

The G7 member economies  that the USA has declared financial  hostilities with, will indeed step up to look after themselves  and that will come with a pivot to China as you mention. Canada will be forced into selling more oil to  China, and perhaps an eventual switch away from the USA. It will move to normalize relations with China and build stronger economic ties to latin america.  The EU will normalize with China as well and look to  replace  USA trade with Chinese and Asian trade growth. The end result is that China's influence will grow, while the USA's shrinks. The USA is alienating both Canada and the EU. The impact will be seen in the decades to come as the USA's largest trading partners turn away from the USA. It won't matter to most Trump voters, because a large number will be dead by then. The influence of the USA will be  like a fireworks that launches, explodes with great force and then comes crashing down in  a puff of smoke.