Scholz calls for state of emergency

[GroveHillWanderer]

Sounds as if the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is not best pleased with Trump and Hegseth's unilateral declarations about Ukraine. 

 

A state of emergency would give Scholz the ability to massively increase support to Ukraine.

 

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"Today, we must confront the reality of what the actions and statements from the US administration mean for Ukraine, Europe, and the world. Failure to act will mean a threat to the security of our country and our continent. I will not allow that to happen at this critical time for our country," the German leader promised.

 

Scholz proposes declaring state of emergency in Germany due to war in Ukraine

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/scholz-proposes-declaring-state-of-emergency-in-germany-due-to-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA1z1Pte

 

Sweden has also countered the US position, stating that there is no reason why Ukraine can't become a NATO member in future.

 

Ukraine's future NATO membership not off the table, Sweden says

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-future-nato-membership-not-off-table-sweden-says-2025-02-13/

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Sounds as if the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is not best pleased with Trump and Hegseth's unilateral declarations about Ukraine. 

 

A state of emergency would give Scholz the ability to massively increase support to Ukraine.

 

 

Scholz proposes declaring state of emergency in Germany due to war in Ukraine

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/scholz-proposes-declaring-state-of-emergency-in-germany-due-to-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA1z1Pte

 

Sweden has also countered the US position, stating that there is no reason why Ukraine can't become a NATO member in future.

 

Ukraine's future NATO membership not off the table, Sweden says

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-future-nato-membership-not-off-table-sweden-says-2025-02-13/

IIRC NATO membership is dependent on a unanimous vote of existing members to admit a new member.

 

Under Trump, the US would never agree, as he is too busy kissing Putin's rear end.

 

If Trump pulled out of NATO, that would clear the way.

 

OTOH, it would also signal to the rest of the world an alliance with America is worthless.

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC NATO membership is dependent on a unanimous vote of existing members to admit a new member.

 

Under Trump, the US would never agree, as he is too busy kissing Putin's rear end.

 

If Trump pulled out of NATO, that would clear the way.

 

OTOH, it would also signal to the rest of the world an alliance with America is worthless.

More Trump obsession babble. We arent pulling out of Nato as long as they do what they are told, and they will.

 

Its a new day. The free ride is over.

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

More Trump obsession babble. We arent pulling out of Nato as long as they do what they are told, and they will.

 

Its a new day. The free ride is over.

NATO is an alliance and is NOT told by any tinpot dictator like Trump what to do!

Go and look up the word "alliance" in a dictionary and while you are it it read the NATO Atlantic Charter which includes this;

The NATO Motto is "animus in consulendo liber" (Latin for 'a mind unfettered in deliberation').

This is not something you can ever be accused of!

[NoDisplayName]

21 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

A state of emergency would give Scholz the ability to massively increase support to Ukraine.

 

Send your Leopards to Kursk.

It worked out so well last time.

 

Hitler believed that a victory here would reassert German strength and improve his prestige with his allies, who he thought were considering withdrawing from the war.

 

Hey!  

History!

It rhymes!

[hotsun]

Why isnt he calling a state of emergency about this? Germany has got their own problems 

[bkk6060]

Ok Olaf, tell Zelensky you will support the war and send 100s of billions of dollars to him and weapons to keep the fight going. Good luck.

[Yagoda]

7 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

NATO is an alliance and is NOT told by any tinpot dictator like Trump what to do!

Go and look up the word "alliance" in a dictionary and while you are it it read the NATO Atlantic Charter which includes this;

The NATO Motto is "animus in consulendo liber" (Latin for 'a mind unfettered in deliberation').

This is not something you can ever be accused of!

Yap yap yap the stalking little flamer is back.

 

NATO will do whats its told. So will your country. Trump is YOUR boss.

[scottiejohn]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Yap yap yap the stalking little flamer is back.

 

NATO will do whats its told. So will your country. Trump is YOUR boss.

Trump may be your boss and I assume you along with 70million odd other lunatics voted for him will do as he dictates to you!

 

Just remember that NO ONE else in the world voted for him and neither you nor him can or will tell me or other non Americans what to do!

 

Your insufferable arrogance, and that goes for most MAGAlomanics, has the potential to destroy the world order as we know it.

 

Please do not respond!

If you insist in so doing then please refrain from using any of the following as they do NOT apply to the majority of NON MAGAlomaniacs;

Democrat

Leftist

Socialist

Yap yap yap

 

[pegman]

9 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Ok Olaf, tell Zelensky you will support the war and send 100s of billions of dollars to him and weapons to keep the fight going. Good luck.

All in the nine days he has left as Germany leader???

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, pegman said:

All in the nine days he has left as Germany leader???

 

........as offended liverwurst.

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

You forgot to bark! So I will do it for you; Yap Yap Yap!

Lookie, the widdle puppy cant help himself. Isnt he cute. At least he waited a few minutes. 

 

Dude how about a bit of ladvice for you. You are never going to have a happy life stalking and waiting with bated breath and eager anticipation for some anonymous dude to post something on a Forum so you can fire off a silly response. Its sort of childish, but hey, your life.

 

Back to your regularly scheduled stalking. Ill go find something to post about, bet you are on it like a puppy on a dead possum.

[Yellowtail]

Hegseth did not say that Ukraine would never be a member of NATO, he only said that becoming a NATO member would not be part of the negotiations. 

 

What NATO member is ready to put boots on the ground in NATO. 

 

There is talk that as part of the negotiation, that in the event that Russia invaded Ukraine in the future, it would be treated as an attack on a NATO member by the US. 

[thaibeachlovers]

IMO, but for Ukraine Scholz would have remained an unknown nobody outside Germany. Trying to retain his place in the history books with an ineffectual and nonsense pronouncement.

[pegman]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Hegseth did not say that Ukraine would never be a member of NATO, he only said that becoming a NATO member would not be part of the negotiations. 

 

What NATO member is ready to put boots on the ground in NATO. 

 

There is talk that as part of the negotiation, that in the event that Russia invaded Ukraine in the future, it would be treated as an attack on a NATO member by the US. 

No one is going to give Ukraine a security guarantee. Nobody! It would be suicide considering how the Ukrainian majority enjoys abusing its minorities some of which have a very big brother nearby. Zero chance Putin begins negotiations unless NATO membership is off the table. The President of Ukraine, now considered a dictator because of his cancelling of elections, is grasping at straws. The west have tried for three years to come up with some leverage against Russia. Everything has failed and either Ukraine capitulates or all of the east side of the Dnieper River along with the rest of the coast on the Black Sea will be lost after a year or two more fighting. Think Vietnam after January 1973. Poland, Romania and Hungry can then split up what remains

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Lookie, the widdle puppy cant help himself. Isnt he cute. At least he waited a few minutes. 

 

Dude how about a bit of ladvice for you. You are never going to have a happy life stalking and waiting with bated breath and eager anticipation for some anonymous dude to post something on a Forum so you can fire off a silly response. Its sort of childish, but hey, your life.

 

Back to your regularly scheduled stalking. Ill go find something to post about, bet you are on it like a puppy on a dead possum.

When you can find a real live fact to post about, please let us know.

 

It will be a new experience for everyone.

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

When you can find a real live fact to post about, please let us know.

 

It will be a new experience for everyone.

Hi what side are you on in this topic?

 

Oh, got it, you would rather talk about me, not anything on topic. Thats called stalking and trolling. But good for your post count and admiration among your blathering sycophants.

[John Drake]

19 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Sweden has also countered the US position, stating that there is no reason why Ukraine can't become a NATO member in future.

 

If the US says no, then Ukraine will not become a member. End of. Membership is by consensus. Each member country of nato has a veto on new members.

[spidermike007]

I tend to agree. I think Trump and his rank amateur bottom of the barrel picks are creating a state of emergency. In the first month of his presidency he has made the world infinitely less stable, and this man needs to be stopped. 

[Sir Dude]

This is a multilayered issue. I agree with Trump that the other members of NATO need to step up and pull their weight with defence spending, as the US has been doing the heavy lifting thus far... and the other members have sherked their responsibilities in favour of social programs. That was okay after the Cold War finished and was called "The Peace Dividend"... however, that time is clearly over as many bad actors are now getting more powerful and the world is becoming much more dangerous every day. Europe should take responsibility for its defence and it's folly to rely on others for this... peace through strength works. Europe has had 80 years since WW2 to get it's defencive act together and they have fail badly.

On the other hand, the US cannot unilaterally decide everything in NATO, and Trump has mistakenly gone over the heads of all the US allies and just done a Neville Chamberlain appeasement job... that's not good, and dangerous, because if anyone thinks Putin will negotiate in good faith, then you are deluded. The Kremlin just sees a ceasefire or peace deal as a chance to reload and reprime itself for another go later. The only thing Putin respects is strength and the West isn't showing this at the moment, just tepid support for Ukraine at best.

Europe needs to man-up and say to the US "Don't get involved, we'll deal with it on this one"... showing it has a spine. The previous status-quo is gone and changes on many fronts are coming. Whilst I agree with Trump on a fair few things, his Ukraine strategy is foolish... you can't appease dictators or awful regimes, got to front them up.