Trump Joins the Axis. NATO Dead. WW111 Imminent?

[Harrisfan]

1 hour ago, RetiredNavy71 said:

Try reading your history books again sport.   In case you can't read, the Americans and the Russians both saved Europe 

I know champion.

[MicroB]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Russians can endure anything. Their capacity for suffering is virtually  limitless, and their patience far outlasts their oppressors. Just ask Napoleon and Hitler - DON'T POKE THE BEAR it should be written on Mount Rushmore under the new face of Donald Trump as a reminder to generations to come.

 

 

Most countries can point to cases of national indefatigability. America has the story of Valley Forge, the Alamo, the Battlin' Bastards of Bastogne, Bataan Death March, la Drang. Britain has the Blitz Spirit, the Glorious Gloucesters, Rourkes Drift, The Thin Red Line.

 

France gets a kicking, but during the FIrst World War, the resiliance of the French people was so admired in Britain that thousands of babies were names after Verdun; so called Battle Babies, which remarkably lasted for about 3 generations.

 

 

Like the British and the Americans, the Russians don't like to talk about their defeats. As defeats go, Russia has some of the more spectacular. And even some of their technical wins seem more like a defeat, such as the war agaist Finland.

 

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700969

 

 

Its all based on the truth, but also myth making. The Soviets, after suffering far far lower casualties compared to the Russian Army, pulled out of Afghanistan in part due to soldiers; mums complaining to Gorby. German occuption of the Soviet Union lead to the emergence of anti-Soviet resistance forces, who weren't all Nazis, but opportunists. Some of them lasted into the 1960s. And certainly early in the war, the Soviet surrenders were huge, with the Germans frequently overwhelmed by the number of POWs.

 

A country with no Navy has managed to confine Russia's most powerful fleet to port. Its been a great mystery why Russia does not control Ukrainian airspace.. if the Russian people are up for a fight, why the dependance on untrustworthy convicts in the army, and massive financial incentives for the rest?

[MicroB]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Russians can endure anything. Their capacity for suffering is virtually  limitless, and their patience far outlasts their oppressors. Just ask Napoleon and Hitler - DON'T POKE THE BEAR it should be written on Mount Rushmore under the new face of Donald Trump as a reminder to generations to come.

 

 

Most countries can point to cases of national indefatigability. America has the story of Valley Forge, the Alamo, the Battlin' Bastards of Bastogne, Bataan Death March, la Drang. Britain has the Blitz Spirit, the Glorious Gloucesters, Rourkes Drift, The Thin Red Line.

 

France gets a kicking, but during the FIrst World War, the resiliance of the French people was so admired in Britain that thousands of babies were names after Verdun; so called Battle Babies, which remarkably lasted for about 3 generations.

 

 

Like the British and the Americans, the Russians don't like to talk about their defeats. As defeats go, Russia has some of the more spectacular. And even some of their technical wins seem more like a defeat, such as the war agaist Finland.

 

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700969

 

 

Its all based on the truth, but also myth making. The Soviets, after suffering far far lower casualties compared to the Russian Army, pulled out of Afghanistan in part due to soldiers; mums complaining to Gorby. German occuption of the Soviet Union lead to the emergence of anti-Soviet resistance forces, who weren't all Nazis, but opportunists. Some of them lasted into the 1960s. And certainly early in the war, the Soviet surrenders were huge, with the Germans frequently overwhelmed by the number of POWs.

 

A country with no Navy has managed to confine Russia's most powerful fleet to port. Its been a great mystery why Russia does not control Ukrainian airspace.. if the Russian people are up for a fight, why the dependance on untrustworthy convicts in the army, and massive financial incentives for the rest?

[MicroB]

28 minutes ago, dantho said:

As Trump has now set his heart on being an ally of Putin and seems to be cutting any ties with Europe and the UK, isn't it about time that Europe and the UK cut ties with Trump. Defy both him and Putin and immediately invite Ukraine to join both NATO and the EU.

 

US forces given 24 hours to settle their affairs and be evicted from their bases in UK, Italy and Germany?  Oh, and they are behind on their rent

 

No, interests are not served by aping an isolationist here today/ gone tomorrow President. Trumpf, given his morbid obesity, could drop dead at any time. His movement is based on the Cult of the Individual, and will fade away as quickly as Pol Pot and Mao.

 

The EU does have financial rules pertaining to joining; Ukraine might be offered a pathway, but it will be years. NATO, as it standd, cannot permit the entry of Ukraine because of its border dispute, though imaginative mechanisms related to rewrite of Article 4 (not Article 5) might have allowed Georgia to join (article 4 defines geographically where NATO can intervene; basically anything north of the Tropic of Cancer. When written, they had in mind excluding Britain's and France's post empire wars. Hence, the Falklands War is out of scope. So is an attack on Hawaii).

 

Being a member of NATO doesn't exclude additional security pacts. For instance, today, the UK and Norway, both NATO members, have signed a new defence pact. The European Union's Common Security and Defence Policy is a mutual defence pact; not all EU members are NATO members (Cyprus, Ireland). So expect a slew of defence pacts to be signed. This is where it gets scary in a WW1 way, because WW1 started with a duke being assassinated in Sarajevo, resulting in a train load of German soldiers being sent to fight Russians for inexplicable reasons.

 

 

WW1 and WW2 resulted from a lack of unity. United we Stand, Divided we Fall.

 

The Russian Army is now but a shell. I do not expect it to start a march to the Hook of Holland. The Russian Ambassador to the UK in interview today, guaranteed that Russia will not attack another country for 5-6 years, which is a worrying statement. Putin wants American forces to be remved from Romania. He has Transnistria in mind, which will enable him to secure the entire Ukrainian coast, reducing the country to penury (its main export is grain). At the moment, I can see thr US giving in.Will NATO members help Romania is Vlad sends his troops across Romanian territory to secure Moldova? What if he intends to unify Kalingrad.

 

Wars start with miscalculations. Vlad might calculate that the West is degenerate and disunified, and would do nothing. Any threat to intervene will be responded with a threat of nuclear weapons; that's his trump card. He's changed Russian law to allow first strike. We haven't. We know a nuclear response is game over for all of us.

[Tug]

20 hours ago, Denim said:

Trump is just a temporary aberration. If ever there was a president likely to get assassinated its him. I doubt very much if he will complete his second term. He is just rubbing too many people up the wrong way. Even some of those who voted for him are regretting the folly of their decision.

My money is on the praetorian guard……wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he try’s to get the Wagner group to protect him he’s just going to far.

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, johng said:

 

More like shot it's self in the foot   rushing headlong into WEF planned

de-industrialisation  at accelerated pace   not even a murmur about the Nordstream gas pipeline  sabotage  ensuring their fate.

 

 

They have sent all their weaponry to Ukraine..who said the EU has an overwhelming technological and financial advantage ?

Like the US, they have sent their redundant and obsolete military equipment to Ukraine.

 

You have a link that proves they sent everything to Ukraine?

 

Germany has 340 Leopard tanks. It has sent 14 to Ukraine.

 

In other words, your post is BS.

[Red Forever]

20 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

The left tried twice last year

Please stop telling lies.

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Please stop telling lies.

If you say so leftist.

[henryford1958]

21 hours ago, johng said:

 

His mandated /elected term ended a long time ago,  by his dictate there are  no more elections,  so he is now the unelected "leader".

 

Who has elections during a war? Britain certainly didn't during WW2.

[TigerandDog]

21 hours ago, johng said:

 

His mandated /elected term ended a long time ago,  by his dictate there are  no more elections,  so he is now the unelected "leader".

and you believe that BS do you? The ONLY reason an election hasn't been called is because of the war with Russia. The Ukraine parliament, not Zelenski, declared martial law until the war with Russia was over. So please cease and desist with your MAGA BS propaganda.

[JimHuaHin]

Trump's USA = the newest pariah state and newest member of the Axis of Evil.

 

Nevertheless, one is hopeful that the US's Deep State Assassin Squad will reduce the threat of WWIII.

[Hakuna Matata]

20 hours ago, Dan O said:

What internet would that be? The internet running at the homes and towns that have been destroyed? 

 

Wake up, this is 21st century. All internet is 4G or 5G mobile. And it is working well in the Ukraine.

[Hakuna Matata]

26 minutes ago, henryford1958 said:

 

Who has elections during a war? Britain certainly didn't during WW2.

 

There were no Internet at that time, were there?

[Merrill]

21 hours ago, bannork said:

Zelensky, the democratically elected leader, is Jewish.

Well there is far more to it. Ukraine is the Original home of the Ashkenazi who converted to Judaism on the fear of invasion  by the Russian king 640 due to child sacrifice identity theft of travellers and the worship of Baal Mullek.   They got word of the pending invasion and fled with the wealth they had to Europe changing their name and setting up the  World Wide Rothschild banking system . Also I might add were involved in the deposing of the Tzar 1900 and the installation of communism on the people. Ashkenazi originated from Babylon And Sumer. 

[leonard beaven]

Ohh dear the school boys are awake and bickering,the only fact here is that an idiot is leading the biggest country,without any control by his peers, so the consequences will be on their shoulders for allowing this idiot to continue,What's the old saying,,"over sexxed over paid and over here,,go home yanks.

Meaningless babble over,back to the school boys.

[ExpatOilWorker]

[Dan O]

9 minutes ago, Hakuna Matata said:

 

Wake up, this is 21st century. All internet is 4G or 5G mobile. And it is working well in the Ukraine.

4g or 5g does not mean it works its just the generation of advancement and type of signal. If mobile towers are down there is no internet or mobile signal. Im sure mobile service is working just great in 100% of the country, especially in the war torn areas? Hahahaha

[Travi]

21 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

So is Soros a self hating Jew.

Not sure about. 

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

USSR saved Europe in ww2 

And the US has lived in fear of "Reds under the bed" ever since, maybe your too young to know of Senator McCarthy. 

Now they voted to get into bed with the reds in the hope that will lead to global dominance, but they have to win WW3 first.

[Harrisfan]

13 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Dumb cartoon. Dumb leftists.

[sandyf]

22 minutes ago, Hakuna Matata said:

 

There were no Internet at that time, were there?

What on earth has that got to do with it?

Parliament is dissolved prior to an election, you cannot run a war with a caretaker government.

[ExpatOilWorker]

10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Dumb cartoon. Dumb leftists.

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

You right there in the front. Too dumb to even know it. Sad.

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

You right there in the front. Too dumb to even know it. Sad.

King 👑 🤴 Trunk.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, ExpatOilWorker said:

King 👑 🤴 Trunk.

Are you 7yo? 

[sandyf]

6 hours ago, theblether said:

This new brigade of drivelous clowns cannot explain how Ukraine can win the war from here. 

Nobody ever wins a war, you would have thought the US learned that from Vietnam.

If the UN had not be neutered at birth they should have stopped Russia in the beginning. In a civilised society disputes over ownership should be settled in court. Unfortunately those with eyes on the prize have little interest in a civilised society.

 

[Wrwest]

23 hours ago, Old Croc said:

The US President is expanding his lies and ambitions beyond his moronic followers at home  and is siding with former world adverseries against former allies. He is lying on the world stage and the outcome will be dire for Ukraine and perilous for other European countries in Russias territorial gun sights.  He is cutting historic ties with Europe, Britain and even close neighbors. He is placing personal wealth, power or embarrassment before world order. One man, and a coven of craven, religious nutcases, may destroy the planet. 

 

'I think that's over': Retired general declares death of key U.S. alliance

 

This comes as no surprise for the thousands of folk around the globe on six continents who have touched my life during my 78 years. For those who I have not interacted with ... I am a native born American with a documented paper and DNA trails back to the 1600s in southern New Jersey. My field of study is history as a broad generalist (retired as Professor Emeritus, akin to a medical general practitioner rather than a specialist). I state to you that with every fiber of my present being and of my inherited DNA from those documented forbears who fought to bring the USA into fruition, that I stand opposed to what the current "leaders" in my country are doing. My heartfelt apology to global friends who, while recognizing our failures as a country, still hold hope that we Americans survive the current crisis and will continue to reach for our proported ideals. Only time will tell the outcome but this American is estranged from his native land. Ukraine, Canada, Greenland, Panama and any others, foreign and domestic threatened, I stand in support of you against Trump and his Project 2025 ilk. I now count myself as a political exile from my homeland.

[Wrwest]

23 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

USSR saved Europe in ww2 

The contribution of 20 million dead Russians defending their sovereign territory against invasion by Germany under the right wing Nazi Party is well recognized. "USSR saved Europe in WW II"  ... as much an over reach as claiming the USA was "the" savior entirely by itself. The lesson learned leans heavily on the reality that it took collective action to beat back the very real threat (as had happened in the past).

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

The contribution of 20 million dead Russians defending their sovereign territory against invasion by Germany under the right wing Nazi Party is well recognized. "USSR saved Europe in WW II"  ... as much an over reach as claiming the USA was "the" savior entirely by itself. The lesson learned leans heavily on the reality that it took collective action to beat back the very real threat (as had happened in the past).

Eastern front turned the war. 

[Wrwest]

22 hours ago, johng said:

 

His mandated /elected term ended a long time ago,  by his dictate there are  no more elections,  so he is now the unelected "leader".

Gee, cute idea, but a little thought required by most folks. Conducting elections during active warfare, how many Ukrainians now outside the country/ And you think a national  "election" is possible ? Let alone capable of a valid democratic result?