Immigration Biometric System Fails to Record Data for 17 Million Travelers

[4MyEgo]

All puns aside, Big Joke was onto something.

[rough diamond]

35 minutes ago, quake said:

Maybe leave the jokes to me.

Please don't encourage him.

🤣

[Alotoftravel]

hope thai immigration encrypts our data so that is it not hacked to allow bad actors to create AI of us 🙂 

[MikeandDow]

8 minutes ago, Alotoftravel said:

hope thai immigration encrypts our data so that is it not hacked to allow bad actors to create AI of us 🙂 

you think immigration would have thought of that !! they would sell the data to make a few baht!!

[Surasak]

Could the Thai computer systems problems be due to Y2K!!?? Just a thought.

[ronnie50]

'Biometrics' is quite a sweeping category. Scanning our passports at ports of entry is also a biometric data piece. The article doesn't go into detail, but could this mean the photos and finger printing wasn't recorded/matched properly with the 17 million passport scans?

[MikeandDow]

15 minutes ago, Surasak said:

Could the Thai computer systems problems be due to Y2K!!?? Just a thought.

No !! The year 2000 software problem, known as Y2K, turned out to be a nonevent. That has led to a widely held view that it was a kind of manufactured crisis, a vastly overstated danger inflated by a self-interested cabal of alarmists, journalists and technology companies. And today, Y2K is enjoying a sort of cultural moment for its place in 1990s nostalgia,

[statman78]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Just took a domestic flight this morning none of what you say is true.  All the facial recognition screens were blocked with a large X.

At the beginning of this month I flew from Chiang Rai to Bangkok and back and at both airports I used the system.  I checked it at the kiosk and had my face scanned.  At the gate I used the separate line for facial recognition.  I did not need to show my boarding pass or id.

[rough diamond]

28 minutes ago, Surasak said:

Could the Thai computer systems problems be due to Y2K!!?? Just a thought.

Could they have caught up that quickly?

I thought they still used an abacus.

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, quake said:

 

Maybe leave the jokes to me.

You crap at them. Yawn. 

It wasn't a joke, it was a serious observation.

If using that photo is an example of your jokes........forget it.

[Trip Hop]

45 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

No !! The year 2000 software problem, known as Y2K, turned out to be a nonevent. That has led to a widely held view that it was a kind of manufactured crisis, a vastly overstated danger inflated by a self-interested cabal of alarmists, journalists and technology companies. And today, Y2K is enjoying a sort of cultural moment for its place in 1990s nostalgia,

 

I wouldn't quite say that.  For it to continue to work I had to set the date back on my trusty Psion II that was full with programs that I used for work. 😁

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, rough diamond said:

Please don't encourage him.

🤣

Sorry but I do not understand this comment, especially being no 39 from yesterday's joining.

Are you meaning that I, me, should leave the jokes to Quake, or Nigel, or vice versa.

[steven100]

IT is not one of Thailand's stronger points is it   ....  stick to the corruption and thieving instead.   

you seem to have perfected that 

[rough diamond]

4 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Sorry but I do not understand this comment, especially being no 39 from yesterday's joining.

Are you meaning that I, me, should leave the jokes to Quake, or Nigel, or vice versa.

It was meant to be semi humorous.

Look at the emoji, which is what I believe they are there to represent/convey.

I do not understand the difference between;

"I, me," Are they not the same person, i.e. you?

 

I did not think that one's number of posts gave any relevance as to the quality of the said posts.

[hotandsticky]

Just now, rough diamond said:

 

 

I did not think that one's number of posts gave any relevance as to the quality of the said posts.

 

 

Large volume in a short space of time usually equals "w4nker".

[Sydebolle]

Surprised? Really? They cannot get the 90-days reporting website running easy, smooth and reliable. 
The 500 - 1000 websites of all those immigration offices all over Thailand have all the following in common; most of them are 95% in Thai, some of them 100% - wondering who really needs to visit the immigration? The form downloads work in 50% of the cases, no details on how many copies of which form by which immigration office as that depends on the mood of the station chief.
Try to find a phone number, correct location and/or opening times - in English - and some of those sites are outdated by seven years. 

Go back, declutter the entire immigration system to what is really required and you'll manage without all this bureaucratic nonsense which cannot be wrapped up by electronic assistance. 

Apart from photographs and fingerprints; what other biometric information is necessary which is not on the machine-readable two lines in most passports of this planet?

[1happykamper]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

An upgraded system requiring a substantial budget is in development, aimed at resolving current limitations.

Absolute rubbish. 🤦😂😂😂😂.  Storage for data is cheaper than sum tam 

[quake]

47 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

It wasn't a joke, it was a serious observation.

If using that photo is an example of your jokes........forget it.

 

What's up with you.

Didn't you get any,  off your boyfriend last night.

[MikeandDow]

29 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Surprised? Really? They cannot get the 90-days reporting website running easy, smooth and reliable. 
The 500 - 1000 websites of all those immigration offices all over Thailand have all the following in common; most of them are 95% in Thai, some of them 100% - wondering who really needs to visit the immigration? The form downloads work in 50% of the cases, no details on how many copies of which form by which immigration office as that depends on the mood of the station chief.
Try to find a phone number, correct location and/or opening times - in English - and some of those sites are outdated by seven years. 

Go back, declutter the entire immigration system to what is really required and you'll manage without all this bureaucratic nonsense which cannot be wrapped up by electronic assistance. 

Apart from photographs and fingerprints; what other biometric information is necessary which is not on the machine-readable two lines in most passports of this planet?

What has this topic Immigration Biometric System Fails to Record Data for 17 Million Travelers to do with the 90day reporting website ??????? the 90 day reporting website is not a Biometric System

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, quake said:

 

What's up with you.

Didn't you get any,  off your boyfriend last night.

What's up with you? How do you know my sexuality, age, preferences. 

I simply find it stupid for someone to use a photo of Nigel Farage as your Avatar. Get original. A couple of other members use the same guy as theirs.

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, rough diamond said:

It was meant to be semi humorous.

Look at the emoji, which is what I believe they are there to represent/convey.

I do not understand the difference between;

"I, me," Are they not the same person, i.e. you?

 

I did not think that one's number of posts gave any relevance as to the quality of the said posts.

You obviously were someone else in a previous membership from some of the posts you quote.

[Caldera]

13 hours ago, webfact said:

revealed that since the licensing for the system expired

 

That's quite a scandal.

[Dr B]

3 hours ago, 1happykamper said:

Absolute rubbish. 🤦😂😂😂😂.  Storage for data is cheaper than sum tam 

The OP stated that the capacity was 50 million visitors, and the cost was over Bt 2 billion. That's Bt 400 per entry, and even not knowing anything about IT costs, I am sure that is way over the top. But then why would any Government Minister care? All they want is their cut of the Bt 2 billion, so why should they even bother to check if the spec is OK, or if there is a need for a future top up budget? Now they are quite happy if another substantial sum is required, because that is another opportunity for a commission.

Do you ever hear any news about this Government discussing, planning, or doing anything that is just for the benefit of the population? Answer - No. All they are interested in is capital expenditure from which they can take a cut. Unless and until that is sorted out this beautiful country and its longsuffering people will never be able to make real progress, though most of them have put up with it for so long that they have accepted it as normal. Hopefully the younger ones will grow in understanding and take more control.

[MikeandDow]

34 minutes ago, Dr B said:

The OP stated that the capacity was 50 million visitors, and the cost was over Bt 2 billion. That's Bt 400 per entry, and even not knowing anything about IT costs, I am sure that is way over the top. But then why would any Government Minister care? All they want is their cut of the Bt 2 billion, so why should they even bother to check if the spec is OK, or if there is a need for a future top up budget? Now they are quite happy if another substantial sum is required, because that is another opportunity for a commission.

Do you ever hear any news about this Government discussing, planning, or doing anything that is just for the benefit of the population? Answer - No. All they are interested in is capital expenditure from which they can take a cut. Unless and until that is sorted out this beautiful country and its longsuffering people will never be able to make real progress, though most of them have put up with it for so long that they have accepted it as normal. Hopefully the younger ones will grow in understanding and take more control.

What you are talking about in the western world would be corruption, in Thailand the culture is behind corruption,

Officials were traditionally not paid salaries but were entitled to retain a 10 to 30 percent portion of the money involved as a fee for their services. Even at these times wrong-doers were around and were called ging maung (“eating the state”). Further explain that in traditional Thai value system merit is derived from power and in this way forms a basis for patron- client relationship in the political society. There is also a tradition of presenting gifts to high officials. In this context you see that some things used to be legitimate under the traditional patronage system but are clearly to be considered problematic in modern legal system.

 A survey concerning people’s attitudes towards corruption. This study showed that many Thais still accept paying fees to officials as sin nam jai, the 'gifts of good will' and do not see that as a form of corruption. Much more they see taking things, even small ones like pencils, home from office corrupt. An other thing they found out was that there is a growing group of middle class people who oppose the corruption in its all forms. Still people expected the corruption even grow rather than disappear.

One other culture based area concerning corruption is existence of influential provincial businessmen called Jao Pho (“godfather”). These men must be very similar to the heads of traditional Chinese business networks, and have often raised them selves above the law.
There is still one important feature in Thai political history that needs to be discussed. Between years 1932 and 1997 there has been 15 constitutions in Thailand, mostly invoked by those near the military juntas that took over the country from time to time. Of course, in those eras a sufficient amount of open discussion could not take place and due to this it would be unfair to say these constitutions were democratically invoked. It was also considered honorable among those in power to protect any state information, so it has been mostly impossible to retrieve information and criticize any decisions that had been made by the government officials.

So Corruption, is very diffrent in the western world that it is in Thailand,  having said that, corruption is still corruption, but it is harder to stamp out in Thailand, as it is part of its culture.

[lordgrinz]

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

culture.

 

Thailand and it's "culture", is the problem.