Zelinsky: The End Is Near

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

NATO didn't 'endlessly push east'.

After the Soviet empire collapsed all the eastern European countries that had been under Russian rule applied to join NATO and the EU.

They wanted the same rights as the West, national sovereignty and democratic rule 

Putin realised if Ukraine followed suit, as they wished to, then his own autocratic rule could come under threat as Russians demanded similar freedoms.

The dictator is scared of losing power.

There was an agreement that the Yanks broke and the Eastward expansion started, stop denying history.

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, simon43 said:

This war would never had happened if NATO hadn't endlessly pushed east, (despite promising never to do so).  Additionally, simply for geographical and defence reasons, the 'west' should acknowledge that Russia must annex Crimea, so that it controls its naval entry into the Black Sea.

 

Give Russia Crimea, pull back NATO's eastern border, and the Russian bear will go back to sleep.

The Russian navy does not need Crimea to control its naval entry to the Black Sea. It can do that just as easily from the port of Novorosslyk.

 

The Russian bear will not go back to sleep. The Russian demographic is collapsing, this is the Kremlin's last chance to push westward to natural land barriers.

 

Putin's miscalculated invasion only succeeded in adding 1500 km of frontier with a new NATO country, Finland. The Finns have not forgotten how they were forced to cede Karelia in 1940.

 

Russia has an existential crisis as bad as Ukraine. Appeasing it is just kicking the can down the road.

[spidermike007]

On 2/22/2025 at 2:15 PM, bannork said:

Ukraine will fight on with European backing against the murderous Putin who has killed so many .Trump and his fellow appeasers should be eternally grateful to Zelensky because Ukraine has crippled the Russian army without one American soldier losing his life.

Long live Ukraine, three heroic years of fighting a blood thirsty autocrat.

Down with American appeasers, cowards the lot.

Thank you, always refreshing to see a voice of reason in the wilderness of spectacular levels of delusion. 

 

He fomented discord at home, advancing Putin's objective of sapping American resolve. "Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people," his former Defense Secretary James Mattis said in 2020.

 

In my opinion that was an incredibly diplomatic understatement. 

[spidermike007]

Trump is an absolutely horrific negotiator, and one can see that fully on display now. When you give away the talking points of a negotiation prior to sitting down at the table you have failed. There is a 0% chance of success once you do that, and any decent negotiator knows that. The man could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag to save his own life. The United States is now dependent upon this creep for to defend itself.

 

Prior to the election all of his supporters knew that he adored dictators and despots and he had a lack of affection for democratically elected leaders, but did anybody guess that it would be this bad, so soon? 

 

The death and destruction is only beginning, give Trump another year or two and those who supported him will begin to understand the very nature of the man, and the staggering extent of his deception, malice, evil and corruption. 

 

Trump is a clear and present danger to the security of both the United States and the Free World and he must be stopped. The Senators and Congress members of his own party and the Democratic party must stand up and defend freedom and rational thinking, against this insane goon. 

 

 

 

[jas007]

21 hours ago, uncletiger said:

According to the Daily Mail, the deal is done. Zelensky has surrendered and granted mineral rights to the US.  I'm sure he's getting a nice retirement package somewhere for his cooperation.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14423219/volodymyr-zelensky-surrenders-donald-trump-sign-mineral-deal-hours.html

 

Interestingly, America granting Ukraine a "security shield" would seem to indicate America is going to be withdrawing from NATO, because I don't see any other context in which Russia would accept this.

According to Lavrov, even that ruse would be unacceptable to Russia. The presence of European troops in Ukraine, with or without the NATO costume, is just another Western scam and would be tantamount to the presence of NATO inside Ukraine. An existential threat to Russia and something that's not going to happen.  So, things may get interesting before this conflict ends.

 

Three's a reason most of you guys cannot understand Trump.  Simply put, you have been brainwashed.  Fed the big lie for years and you believe it.  In all liklihood, you'll persist in your delusions until to die.  President Trump is your wake up call.  Deal with it. 

 

Trump is the President of the United States, elected with a sweeping mandate. And he sees reality for what it is, not what certain delusional people would like it to be. For Trump, the reality is simple.  The war should have never started and needs to stop. Now. That's his overriding concern.  That's what will happen.  How that happens is irrelevant. 

 

And this is where it gets interesting.  He wants to "make a deal" with Zelensky.  US ownership of valuable mineral rights in Ukraine, which ownership would provide a security guarantee for what remains of Ukraine. And from what he has said, he would have "no problem" with the presence of European troops in Ukraine.  

 

Somewhere on here last week I outlined what I thought would be the eventual "deal."  A cessation of hostilities as the battlefield currently stands, the return of the Kursk region of Russia to Russia, no NATO troops in Russia, a recognition of the existential threat to Russia that the presence of NATO troops would present, and an immediate end to the war.  That's the reality.   Russia won. 

 

So, how does all that square with a "deal" with Zelensky?  My guess: there will be no deal.  The war is over, Russia won.  Next time, the warmonger idiots should think again before they sell out America for the sake of their multi-million dollar bank accounts they all seem to gave accumulated  while drawing minuscule salaries. 

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

According to Lavrov, even that ruse would be unacceptable to Russia. The presence of European troops in Ukraine, with or without the NATO costume, is just another Western scam and would be tantamount to the presence of NATO inside Ukraine. An existential threat to Russia and something that's not going to happen.  So, things may get interesting before this conflict ends.

 

Three's a reason most of you guys cannot understand Trump.  Simply put, you have been brainwashed.  Fed the big lie for years and you believe it.  In all liklihood, you'll persist in your delusions until to die.  President Trump is your wake up call.  Deal with it. 

 

Trump is the President of the United States, elected with a sweeping mandate. And he sees reality for what it is, not what certain delusional people would like it to be. For Trump, the reality is simple.  The war should have never started and needs to stop. Now. That's his overriding concern.  That's what will happen.  How that happens is irrelevant. 

 

And this is where it gets interesting.  He wants to "make a deal" with Zelensky.  US ownership of valuable mineral rights in Ukraine, which ownership would provide a security guarantee for what remains of Ukraine. And from what he has said, he would have "no problem" with the presence of European troops in Ukraine.  

 

Somewhere on here last week I outlined what I thought would be the eventual "deal."  A cessation of hostilities as the battlefield currently stands, the return of the Kursk region of Russia to Russia, no NATO troops in Russia, a recognition of the existential threat to Russia that the presence of NATO troops would present, and an immediate end to the war.  That's the reality.   Russia won. 

 

So, how does all that square with a "deal" with Zelensky?  My guess: there will be no deal.  The war is over, Russia won.  Next time, the warmonger idiots should think again before they sell out America for the sake of their multi-million dollar bank accounts they all seem to gave accumulated  while drawing minuscule salaries. 

You have wisdom!
 

Just Imagine if OBAMA & Biden administration Hadn’t gone into Ukraine and bribed their installed Ukrainian leaders to stop a investigation into Burisma .

https://www.rferl.org/a/burisma-ukraine-gas-pardon-bidens/33226807.html

 

[stevenl]

32 minutes ago, riclag said:

You have wisdom!
 

Just Imagine if OBAMA & Biden administration Hadn’t gone into Ukraine and bribed their installed Ukrainian leaders to stop a investigation into Burisma .

https://www.rferl.org/a/burisma-ukraine-gas-pardon-bidens/33226807.html

 

You should know by now it's the other way around. Your post is willful ignorance.

[MangoKorat]

16 hours ago, uncletiger said:

Of course this is just nonsense that the radical left constantly repeats to make themselves feel better and avoid reality.

There you go again - another left claim.

 

Listen, if being rational and accepting the facts is left - guilty as charged.

 

If not accepting claims made without a shred of evidence or where the facts prove them wrong is left - guilty as charged................ things like:

 

'They're eating cats and dogs'

 

'Foreign criminals and people from mental asylums are pouring over our borders'

 

'Zelenskyy started the war'

 

'Zelenskyy is a dictator' (unlike Putin who is of course democratically elected, despite his opponents being either dead, in exile or in prison 😁)

 

People who believe the utter rubbish that comes out of Trumps mouth on a daily basis, need to see a doctor.

 

I shudder to think what the state of the US will be after 4 years of Trump - or indeed its standing in the world order..........I doubt its going to be 'great again'.

[frank83628]

49 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is an absolutely horrific negotiator, and one can see that fully on display now. When you give away the talking points of a negotiation prior to sitting down at the table you have failed. There is a 0% chance of success once you do that, and any decent negotiator knows that. The man could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag to save his own life. The United States is now dependent upon this creep for to defend itself.

 

Prior to the election all of his supporters knew that he adored dictators and despots and he had a lack of affection for democratically elected leaders, but did anybody guess that it would be this bad, so soon? 

 

The death and destruction is only beginning, give Trump another year or two and those who supported him will begin to understand the very nature of the man, and the staggering extent of his deception, malice, evil and corruption. 

 

Trump is a clear and present danger to the security of both the United States and the Free World and he must be stopped. The Senators and Congress members of his own party and the Democratic party must stand up and defend freedom and rational thinking, against this insane goon. 

 

 

 

You're giving JT a run for his money on the over emotional and somewhat hysterical posts

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

You should know by now it's the other way around. Your post is willful ignorance.

Biden is on videotape bragging how he got the prosecutor fired. 

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

There you go again - another left claim.

 

Listen, if being rational and accepting the facts is left - guilty as charged.

 

If not accepting claims made without a shred of evidence or where the facts prove them wrong is left - guilty as charged................ things like:

 

'They're eating cats and dogs'

 

'Foreign criminals and people from mental asylums are pouring over our borders'

 

'Zelenskyy started the war'

 

'Zelenskyy is a dictator' (unlike Putin who is of course democratically elected, despite his opponents being either dead, in exile or in prison 😁)

 

People who believe the utter rubbish that comes out of Trumps mouth on a daily basis, need to see a doctor.

Zelensky is no longer elected hip term is over nearly 1 years ago.

How do you know whobis coming over the border when they are enetring illegally... can you prove Trump is incorrect?

[MangoKorat]

46 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Trump is the President of the United States, elected with a sweeping mandate. And he sees reality for what it is, not what certain delusional people would like it to be.

You cannot be serious?  Trump won the election because people in the US care more about the $ in their pockets than anything else. I just sold my house to a couple who are leaving the US because they can see where the country is going.  Another couple I know in Bangkok will not return to the US whilst Trump is in power.

 

Seriously, you listen to his daily 'speeches' and call others delusional?

[MangoKorat]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Zelensky is no longer elected hip term is over nearly 1 years ago.

How do you know whobis coming over the border when they are enetring illegally... can you prove Trump is incorrect?

Let me correct you. Zelenskyy (correct spelling) was elected and under Ukraine's constitution, there cannot be further elections whilst the country in under marshall law (normal for any country at war). One of the reasons for that is that during war, many people are displaced and therefore cannot vote.  Therefore Ukraine's constitution follows accepted democratic principles.

 

Secondly, I didn't make the claims - its for Trump to evidence his ridiculous almost daily claims.

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Biden is on videotape bragging how he got the prosecutor fired. 

Yes, because he wasn't doing enough to end corruption. More willful ignorance.

[frank83628]

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, because he wasn't doing enough to end corruption. More willful ignorance.

Hahahaha, you didn some mental gymnastics to spin that around, 

[candide]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

There was an agreement that the Yanks broke and the Eastward expansion started, stop denying history.

There was no formal agreement, and it was with the defunct Soviet Union.

 

On top of it, Russia is responsible for it. They joined NATO because they wanted to make sure they could avoid being dominated by Russia. Russia's repelling effect is its own responsibility.

[frank83628]

20 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Let me correct you. Zelenskyy (correct spelling) was elected and under Ukraine's constitution, there cannot be further elections whilst the country in under marshall law (normal for any country at war). One of the reasons for that is that during war, many people are displaced and therefore cannot vote.  Therefore Ukraine's constitution follows accepted democratic principles.

 

Secondly, I didn't make the claims - its for Trump to evidence his ridiculous almost daily claims.

A, I don't care how it is spelt.

B, Zelenskys term is over therfore he is no lover the elected leader and has shut down opposing media.

C, you're the one opposing what trump has said,, prove him wrong,  criminals have been deported already.

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

You have wisdom!
 

Just Imagine if OBAMA & Biden administration Hadn’t gone into Ukraine and bribed their installed Ukrainian leaders to stop a investigation into Burisma .

https://www.rferl.org/a/burisma-ukraine-gas-pardon-bidens/33226807.html

 

As usual, ridiculous Russian and MAGA propaganda! 

 

The U.S. had been officially complaining  for month about the prosecutor's office covering up to Burisma's leader. It had resulted in the UK dropping charges against him, because they sent a letter misleadingly innocenting him.

 

Both the U.S, the IMF and the EU asked for his head. The IMF also halted funding for the same reason.

 

The fake whistleblower accusing Biden was a Russian agent and was convicted.

 

FD-1024 anyone? 

[candide]

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

A, I don't care how it is spelt.

B, Zelenskys term is over therfore he is no lover the elected leader and has shut down opposing media.

C, you're the one opposing what trump has said,, prove him wrong,  criminals have been deported already.

 

More B.S. Russian/,MAGA propaganda fom you. 

 

According to the constitution  he is legally in power, as no election can be held under martial law.

 

The Parliament also voted for it, so it confirms his legitimacy.

 

But don't let facts get in the way of a good Russian disinformation! 

[jas007]

2 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

You cannot be serious?  Trump won the election because people in the US care more about the $ in their pockets than anything else. I just sold my house to a couple who are leaving the US because they can see where the country is going.  Another couple I know in Bangkok will not return to the US whilst Trump is in power.

 

Seriously, you listen to his daily 'speeches' and call others delusional?

I'm totally serious.  100% serious.  Trump is the elected President of the United States.  If you think it matters "why" people voted for him, then perhaps that's why you're clueless and delusional. You've been brainwashed.  The "reality" that was drilled into your head non-stop by the mainstream media was propaganda.  Propaganda that now passes for the "truth" by people such as yourself.  And so, in your mind, you must somehow rationalize the new reality.  Of course it must be that people voted for Trump because they cared more about "$ in their pockets."  You take great comfort in that fantasy.  Or rather, you take great comfort in the  fantasy that allows you to cling to the Big Lie.  In a sense it's not your fault. Propaganda is and always has been a powerful tool.  That's why it works so well. That's why entire nations have been led astray, into a mass formation psychosis.  People are easy targets. Social cohesion is a powerful force.  Most people can't think for themselves.  They're not that intelligent. They'd rather listen to "authority."  They'd rather listen to "fact checkers" to point out the "misinformation." 

 

So yes, the Big lie has been unmasked.  Cling to it if you must, but don't think that the world hasn't moved on. 

[connda]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Long live Ukriane, a country you never spoke about until 24.02.22

Nor gave a rat's a** about either.

[connda]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Yes, the Nazi Azov and corruption problem it had, that even MSM used to report on, which seemingly just disappeared over night

 

Sort of like the flu disappeared when Covid showed up.    Same same.

[steven100]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

NATO didn't 'endlessly push east'.

After the Soviet empire collapsed all the eastern European countries that had been under Russian rule applied to join NATO and the EU.

They wanted the same rights as the West, national sovereignty and democratic rule 

Putin realised if Ukraine followed suit, as they wished to, then his own autocratic rule could come under threat as Russians demanded similar freedoms.

The dictator is scared of losing power.

 

Thank you for a correct answer as to why it happened,   some on here haven't a clue about history   !! 

[connda]

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

If I was the powers to be in Ukraine I wouldn't hesitate to nuke Moscow ....  wipe it off the face of the earth,  that would send a message to the murderous Putin he'd never forget.  

 

All brought on by his own misdoings ... 

 

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

End all life on earth because you don't understand this conflict? 

I nominate steven100 to receive the esteemed Darwin Award. Hopefully he'd cash it in before hitting the nuclear button. But interesting to know that steven100 is a proponent of the mass genocide of as many Russians as possible.  That's how I define "hatred" in my dictionary.  He's so full of hatred for Russians that he'd destroy the entire planet just to mass exterminate Russians. 

That's just sad.  steve100 you are a tragically sad human being.

[connda]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

A, I don't care how it is spelt.

Nor do I.  Zelinsky!  Works for me.

[connda]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Ukraine will fight on with European backing

No they won't if the US puts an end to it.  If the US and Russia say it's over, it's over. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

 

I nominate steven100 to receive the esteemed Darwin Award. Hopefully he'd cash it in before hitting the nuclear button. But interesting to know that steven100 is a proponent of the mass genocide of as many Russians as possible.  That's how I define "hatred" in my dictionary.  He's so full of hatred for Russians that he'd destroy the entire planet just to mass exterminate Russians. 

That's just sad.  steve100 you are a tragically sad human being.

He brought totally into the ridiculous msm narrative that the war was totally unprovoked and only happened because Putin is a madman. Lots of them did. Shows the power of propaganda on minds that need quick takes on everything. Putin bad. Ukraine good. No shades of grey. No understanding of the provocations. Just this constant drone of Putins mad, he blew up his own pipeline etc etc

Its a worry so many are unable to think for themselves. Thank C they lost in the election. I am quite sure blinkered democrats and msm consumers would start a nuclear wsr.

[steven100]

13 minutes ago, connda said:

 

I nominate steven100 to receive the esteemed Darwin Award. Hopefully he'd cash it in before hitting the nuclear button. But interesting to know that steven100 is a proponent of the mass genocide of as many Russians as possible.  That's how I define "hatred" in my dictionary.  He's so full of hatred for Russians that he'd destroy the entire planet just to mass exterminate Russians. 

That's just sad.  steve100 you are a tragically sad human being.

enough of your garbage Connda .....   back in your hole ...    Russian lover scum.

[steven100]

13 minutes ago, connda said:

Nor do I.  Zelinsky!  Works for me.

yes Condo  ...      works for me too .... 

[steven100]

17 minutes ago, connda said:

 

I nominate steven100 to receive the esteemed Darwin Award. Hopefully he'd cash it in before hitting the nuclear button. But interesting to know that steven100 is a proponent of the mass genocide of as many Russians as possible.  That's how I define "hatred" in my dictionary.  He's so full of hatred for Russians that he'd destroy the entire planet just to mass exterminate Russians. 

That's just sad.  steve100 you are a tragically sad human being.

and many of your posts are pathetic. But hey'   keep going,  we have too  ....   cheers.