British Man Arrested in Thailand After 25-Year Visa Overstay

[Harrisfan]

11 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What's "a Spam"?

Fake ham

[Dont confuse me]

This chap breached immigration rules a 'tad' and will face the consequences!

There's a flip side to this he has survived for 25 years, it's possible he has worked? 

However he has contributed to the system for 25 years, he may have an income/pension from UK,  never been arrested cut him a deal. 

[richard_smith237]

12 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Wrong.

 

Overstaying entry / visa permissions in Thailand is not considered a criminal offence, its an immigration violation

It is considered a crime.

 

We could go around in circles here... 

 

A "crime" is a more serious offence that generally involves a violation of criminal law and can result in more severe penalties like jail time, while a "violation" is a minor offence, usually considered a minor infraction of a rule or law, typically only punishable by a fine and not involving jail time.

 

While overstayers can end up in 'detention' while awaiting departure etc...  they are not 'charged with prison time' for their violation is not considered a crime by the Thai legal system, its a violation of immigration law....   

 

... Hence the ease with which Thailand can 'deport' overstayers rather than process them through the criminal process and courts.

 

 

[Harsh Jones]

21 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Well WOW !!!!   show how effective immigration enforcement is,  big lose of face on this one !

 

As opposed to where ? The United states or the EU ?  Get real.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Dont confuse me said:

This chap breached immigration rules a 'tad' and will face the consequences!

There's a flip side to this he has survived for 25 years, it's possible he has worked? 

However he has contributed to the system for 25 years, he may have an income/pension from UK,  never been arrested cut him a deal. 

 

   He should have been arrested though because he committed arrestable offenses 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Dont confuse me said:

This chap breached immigration rules a 'tad' and will face the consequences!

There's a flip side to this he has survived for 25 years, it's possible he has worked? 

However he has contributed to the system for 25 years, he may have an income/pension from UK,  never been arrested cut him a deal. 

 

IF he has family here that he is supporting... this would be a very humane manner in which to deal with this.

 

However, a 25 year overstay is a significant violation of regulations - it could be argued that leniency enables further overstayers and encourages further breaches of immigration regulations by others. 

 

After 25 years here, I hope he has something and someone to return to in the UK - but yes, I really would like to see leniency in such examples, especially if he is supporting a family. 

 

IF however, as LL pointed out, the manner in which he funds himself involves criminal activity then sympathy diminishes. 

[JamesPhuket10]

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you support overstayers and people who stay in Thailand illegally ?

So, you would also support overstayers in the UK who stay in the UK illegally ?

 

His, mine, or your 'support' in that respect has no effect, it is the judges who decide who stays and who goes in the UK.

 

Several examples: criminals are let out of jail and are due to be deported but are instead saved by Human rights judges. 

 

This has happened many times recently, one of the reasons a guy was not deported was because his very young son normally eats chicken nuggets from the UK so not allowing the father to stay would be a breach of his human rights.

 

You might think I have gone potty but look at the link below, a national UK newspaper, it was also questioned in the Houses Of Parliament in a live debate.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/albania-deportation-chcken-nuggets-home-office-b2695233.html

 

[Burma Bill]

21 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

He lived in Bangkok for 13 years, later moving to Chiang Mai for another 12.

 Just goes to show the inefficiency of Thai Immigration. Any 90 day reports? I bet not so he was " under the radar"!

[Harsh Jones]

19 hours ago, Robert_Smith said:

Thai's just love to grass people up, especially a farang...

 

They get off on it, almost sadistically.

 

regards,

bob.

 

Umm do you think they should start going after Thai citizens for overstays ? 

 

At least try to be coherent when you're bashing Thailand. 

[JamesPhuket10]

1 minute ago, Harsh Jones said:

 

Umm do you think they should start going after Thai citizens for overstays ? 

 

At least try to be coherent when you're bashing Thailand. 

 

Don't ask for the impossible, it is Bob you are talking about, the biggest piss-taker in Thailand. 

[MikeandDow]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

IF he has family here that he is supporting... this would be a very humane manner in which to deal with this.

 

However, a 25 year overstay is a significant violation of regulations - it could be argued that leniency enables further overstayers and encourages further breaches of immigration regulations by others. 

 

After 25 years here, I hope he has something and someone to return to in the UK - but yes, I really would like to see leniency in such examples, especially if he is supporting a family. 

 

IF however, as LL pointed out, the manner in which he funds himself involves criminal activity then sympathy diminishes. 

If he is supporting a wife and family and has to go back to the uk, is this not against his human rights ?? not being able to be with his family ??

The right to respect for family life is protected by human rights, and includes the right to not be separated from family members. This right applies to a variety of family relationships, including parents and children, siblings, and unmarried partners.

[JamesPhuket10]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

IF he has family here that he is supporting... this would be a very humane manner in which to deal with this.

 

However, a 25 year overstay is a significant violation of regulations - it could be argued that leniency enables further overstayers and encourages further breaches of immigration regulations by others. 

 

After 25 years here, I hope he has something and someone to return to in the UK - but yes, I really would like to see leniency in such examples, especially if he is supporting a family. 

 

IF however, as LL pointed out, the manner in which he funds himself involves criminal activity then sympathy diminishes. 

 

I just checked, since he left average house prices in England have risen from 88,400 pounds to 300,000 pounds.

 

If you look at the South East of England average prices have gone from 106,542 to 475,133 pounds.

 

National average rents are now 1271 pounds per month.

 

South East rents are 2000 pounds a month.

 

He could be going back to a life of poverty. 

 

[Harsh Jones]

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Big loss of face for immigration !!!!!

Yawn

 

There are so many interesting aspects of this case that could be discussed. How he did it, what kind of a social life he had (probably none) ect. But it is 8 pages of these lame put-downs of immigration. 

 

Which is ironic considering all of the time and energy that most of the posters on this site spend getting their papers right. The reality is, the vast majority of you can't get anything past Thai immigration and you live in fear of them 

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

If he is supporting a wife and family and has to go back to the uk, is this not against his human rights ?? not being able to be with his family ??

The right to respect for family life is protected by human rights, and includes the right to not be separated from family members. This right applies to a variety of family relationships, including parents and children, siblings, and unmarried partners.

 

I think those were EU Rights - not to be separated from family.

 

Certainly, in the UK, certain conditions have to be met (savings or income) to sponsor a Thai spouse.

 

In Thailand - we'll, he's just blown up any chances there for the next 10 years.

 

Cambodia or the Philippines looks like the next option for him if the UK is too expensive.

 

 

[JamesPhuket10]

18 hours ago, dddave said:

Likely, pretty simple.  He arrived in 2000, before immigration was computerized and before TM-30s were enforced.  He probably lived in casually rented accommodations from people who didn't bother with any kind of reporting. If he lived quietly enough, not calling attention to himself or causing others problems, it was easy to just blend in.  

 

Very possible.

 

I know a Thai woman who has three houses for rent just opposite a beach in a village in the Nakhonsi Thammarat Region, I will not give too many details.

 

She never bothers with the TM30 online system to report farangs dates and details.

[Liverpool Lou]

7 hours ago, AhFarangJa said:

...and there were no more overstayers in Kingdom

No, he did not say "there are no more overstayers in Thailand".

[Liverpool Lou]

7 hours ago, AdrianUk said:

The guys I know on overstay

 

 

- pay 100k if caught and then let go 

Yeah, right.    How many do you know in that category?   Why would anyone who can just cough up B100K on demand not get their overstay sorted?

[Captain Flack]

A pointless grammar police comment has been, @Liverpool Lou discuss the topic and stop trying to patronise other posters.

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, mikebell said:

Did he get his State pension unfrozen as no one knew he was in T/land?

He doesn't get a state pension.

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

When I go to the bank they always look at my passport and make a picture of my Visa stamp or whatever I don’t understand or you wanna rent a place where you stay at a hotel they ask for your passport that always look for your stamps I don’t understand how I can get away for 25 years without having somebody check for his stamps in his passport TIT

He probably didn't make any banking transactions that needed to be done at the counter. 

 

He was reported as saying that on the occasions that he was asked about his passport by authorities he successfully bulls1tted them saying that his extension was being processed.

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, Dcheech said:

I really would like to get a picture, a face shot, of the old geezer.

Old geezer?   He's 60.

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, Burma Bill said:

 Just goes to show the inefficiency of Thai Immigration. Any 90 day reports? I bet not so he was " under the radar"!

 

You do know people who enter the country on 30day visa exempt are not required to do 90 day reporting.... don't you ?

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, cookie1974 said:

They should be more concerned with the scumbags arriving here everyday,rather than some guy minding his own business on an overstay

  Being a scumbag isn't an offence, being a scumbag on a 25-year overstay is.

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, black tabby12345 said:

21 hours ago, rough diamond said:

If the 90Day and TM30 reporting systems are effective how did this happen?

 

 

It only covers  people who abide by it.

No, the 90-day only applies to people who are required to file one.   VE entries aren't.

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, black tabby12345 said:

But he (allegedly) committed no other Crimes(

Where was that allegation reported?

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, baansgr said:

They didn't exist in 2000 

When were 90-day reports introduced?

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, Ratman said:

He helped the Thai economy 26,000 Baht per month x 12 months X 25 years = 7,800,000....BAHT maybe the police 

How?  Please explain.

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Perhaps entrants should have IQ tests too...  (it would certainly be beneficial for this forum - although the culling could be quite drastic).

 

Breaking an Immigration Law is not a criminal offence - its an Immigration Violation - he's not a criminal.... 

 

... Now, as to the intelligence of posters accusing him of being a criminal - you are leaving little room for doubt.

Unfortunately you're wrong....as often.

You will be processed into the system as a criminal.

Concerning intelligence of those who judge his overstay as an offence......

No discussion. Greetings from Darwin🤣🤣🤣

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why would he have to do a 90-day report? You had a clear record of his entry in the OP and didn't bother to read it.

What? He entered at some date and never did his 90 day reports so you can easily identity this in the database. But sure there's many other ways to identity him and they did eventually. He may have been last seen in 2000 in Bangkok so finding record of him may be difficult if he never used his passport for anything during his 25 year stay.

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Except he is a lot smarter and saved on visa fees.

He hasn't saved on IDC detention, court fines and airline ticket costs for deportation.