Zelensky - what possessed you?

[PomPolo]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Who is Putler? How long did the Polish invasion last? 

From your perspective @Harrisfan and clarity
World War II (1939-1945): Misjudging Japan’s resilience and failure to establish long-term peace strategies fueled the Cold War.
Until you got bombed by the Japanese and had no choice but to retaliate I predict the future of the US playing out something similar.
As far as the term Putler goes it was you that invented it in previous posts 🤣

[PomPolo]

1 minute ago, theblether said:

 

You need to quit posting. 

 

First of all, modern day Poland would beat Russia in a conventional war and the Russians know it. 

 

Second, Poland is protected by Article 5, guaranteed NATO mobilisation. 

 

Just give it a rest. 

DILLIGAF my friend, until Angela Rayner or Donald Trump seizes control of this forum it is freedom of speech and wont stop posting so maybe better you STFU.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, PomPolo said:

From your perspective @Harrisfan and clarity
World War II (1939-1945): Misjudging Japan’s resilience and failure to establish long-term peace strategies fueled the Cold War.
Until you got bombed by the Japanese and had no choice but to retaliate I predict the future of the US playing out something similar.
As far as the term Putler goes it was you that invented it in previous posts 🤣

Never heard of Putler. You have lost it. Random comments with no bearing to the real world. Hitler controlled 12 nations after 3 years. Putin gained 11% of Ukraine. Your comparison is embarrassing. Hitler had the no 1 army in the world. Russia worse than top 10 1:1. 

[TedG]

58 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Common sense says Ukraine can win this war if the EU unites behind it.

But the EU is lazy.  They are more concerned about their vast welfare state.

[TedG]

4 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

From your perspective @Harrisfan and clarity
World War II (1939-1945): Misjudging Japan’s resilience and failure to establish long-term peace strategies fueled the Cold War.
Until you got bombed by the Japanese and had no choice but to retaliate I predict the future of the US playing out something similar.
As far as the term Putler goes it was you that invented it in previous posts 🤣

Russia is a not all that strong.   Why can’t the Europeans deal wtih Russia.  

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

You need to quit posting. 

 

First of all, modern day Poland would beat Russia in a conventional war and the Russians know it. 

 

Second, Poland is protected by Article 5, guaranteed NATO mobilisation. 

 

Just give it a rest. 

What happens if Trump quits NATO?

 

Why would you think Putin won't use nukes, if it has gone that far?

[TedG]

1 hour ago, WorriedNoodle said:

We do common sense.

No you don’t. 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Russia is a not all that strong.   Why can’t the Europeans deal wtih Russia.  

You said yourself they are lazy, one post ago.

 

Do you have short term memory problems?

[TedG]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

What happens if Trump quits NATO?

 

Why would you think Putin won't use nukes, if it has gone that far?

Among the many statutes related to NATO is Section 1250A of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024 (2024 NDAA), which prohibits the President from withdrawing the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty without the approval of the Senate or statutory authorization

[TedG]

Just now, Lacessit said:

You said yourself they are lazy, one post ago.

 

Do you have short term memory problems?

 

They are lazy, and need to get off their asses.   Russia is their backyard.  

[Lacessit]

Just now, TedG said:

Among the many statutes related to NATO is Section 1250A of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024 (2024 NDAA), which prohibits the President from withdrawing the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty without the approval of the Senate or statutory authorization

The last time I looked, Republicans terrified of Trump were a Senate majority.

[TedG]

Just now, Lacessit said:

The last time I looked, Republicans terrified of Trump were a Senate majority.

The Senate would vote No.   

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What happens if Trump quits NATO?

 

Why would you think Putin won't use nukes, if it has gone that far?

Trump is not quitting NATO, and he could not if he wanted, which he does not. 

 

I think Putin will use nukes if he thinks he needs to.

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Why not? China has given nuclear technology to Iran since the eighties.

 

Do you remember the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement? What makes you think the Xi-Putin accord is any different?

 

 

What is the connection between nuclear technology transfer agreements and a ten year peace accord?

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, theblether said:

No sane Brit I know is prepared start a nuclear war to assist Ukraine. 

Which pub in the UK do you have this erudite conversation in?

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I love when they say Putin wouldn't dare use nukes

Does that mean you want and expect him to use them?

[Harrisfan]

16 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Does that mean you want and expect him to use them?

If Nato attacked Russia for sure.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, PomPolo said:

"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

 

That certainly wasn't spoken by the illegitimate leader of Ukraine, the one responsible for so many dead in the trenches, and the man who himself dodged conscription four times.

 

Willing to fight to the last other guy.

[PomPolo]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

That certainly wasn't spoken by the illegitimate leader of Ukraine, the one responsible for so many dead in the trenches, and the man who himself dodged conscription four times.

 

Willing to fight to the last other guy.

Roll on and we will welcome another pearl harbor then Trump will wake up - I am sorry for saying that but the head in the sand approach by some of you guys can't be ignored.

[NoDisplayName]

10 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Roll on and we will welcome another pearl harbor then Trump will wake up - I am sorry for saying that but the head in the sand approach by some of you guys can't be ignored.

 

That does not attest to the bravery of Zelensky, man of four draft dodgings, willing to send entire generations of Ukranians to their deaths, all for a bag of cookies and a promise.

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

The medical devices supply chain is quite complex. I'm working with the FDA to identify risks in the US supply chain; COVID revealed that they don't really know where stuff comes from (the EU is also doing the same kind of study). About 5% of US branded products, from US companies are made wholly in the US, and thats really in quite niche, specialist areas.  A lot is assembled in the US, but that's not the same as made in the US. For instance, an American compay sells a test system for respiratory viruses. They do some manufacturing in the US, some work in their Chinese factory. Some electronics they have outsourced to a US contract manufacturer who has an electronics design capabilirty in Singapore, but who then has the electronics part assembled in Malaysia. Critical to the whole test is viral antigen; this company can't make the right antigen (killed lethal virus), and you need that antigen to prove the test works. They outsource it to a tiny Dutch company who has a class 4 biosafety lab and the knowhow not only to know how to inactivate the virus, but also inactivate it in such a way it can be used in the test.

 

Onshoring all of that is not straightforward. Electronics manufacture could be onshored, but they don't own the IP, so there is a cost there. Maybe they can build their own class 4 lab in the US, but getting those things built these days is really hard; who wants an anthrax lab next door. And if they do all that, can they sell the system anymore for $10,000 for the hardware, $50 per test. Probably not. More like $200 per test, which translated into a $400 bill to the payer.

 

There are about a million and a half different medical device products on sale in the US.

 

Putin tried to see if his boffins could onshore Russian medical supplies. Remember, this is a nuclear power, with lots of clever, able and well trained people, with access to lots of raw materials. They couldn't do it. One, they lacked the know how.  Two, the doctors were telling them there was no way they would treat their patients with something shonky just because it was Russian made.

 

The same in the US. It will take years for the US to decouple from the ROTW. When it comes to CDMOs influencing the US, most of them are EU; that means contract manufacturers with know how (ie you can't make what you want to make without their IP and know how). In the meantime, doctors will be guided by medical liability legislation, and certainly not risking their patients, and their liberty, on half baked nationalist-driven products. This was the failure of the ventilator projects during COVID; the doctors wanted more ventilators of the type  they were already using , not something dreamt of by a vacuum salesman or a carmaker.

 

Of course it cuts both ways, and there is interdependance between economies. Though trade deficits show Americans want European goods more than Europeans want American goods. Partly you could say thats because American goods are more expensive in Europe. But for cars, that is literally not true; things like Mustangs and Corvettes are actually pretty cheap. But they are crap. They don't handle that well, they are thirsty, they are not all that comfortable, and the quality is a bit crude. Dealer support ain't great. American companies like Ford, build Rangers for Europe in Thailand. The profits don't go back to Thailand. They go back to Dearborn, and back into American pockets.

 

 

Allow me to dumb it down for the MAGA collective: A majority of the USA's critical drug active pharmaceutical ingredients are sourced from China, India and the EU. Tens of millions of Trump supporters would be devastated if they could not get their Ozempic and Wegovy (API is sourced from Denmark). Cancer treatments would slow down. Anti virals, antibiotics and critical vaccines would disappear. Now amount of warp speed projects in the USA could replace those products in less than 2-5 year, and the cost would be in the tens of billions of $.

 

There was a time when USA products meant quality and longevity. Those days are long gone. No one really wants USA made products, not even  US citizens.

 

[Patong2021]

14 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

I dress better going to a cafe

 

 

 

How do you dress when you go to the town dump?

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

That does not attest to the bravery of Zelensky, man of four draft dodgings, willing to send entire generations of Ukranians to their deaths, all for a bag of cookies and a promise.

 

President Zelenskyy has been targeted for death ever since he was elected President. The Russians have tried multiple times. You live with constant death threats in a war zone and see how tolerant you are of a  bully who dismisses the sacrifice of  Ukraine.

[NoDisplayName]

20 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

President Zelenskyy has been targeted for death ever since he was elected President. The Russians have tried multiple times. You live with constant death threats in a war zone and see how tolerant you are of a  bully who dismisses the sacrifice of  Ukraine.

 

Oh, nonononono!

 

Before he was El (p)Residente, he received four draft summonses, in 2014 and 2015 I believe, for which he failed to appear.  Couldn't be bothered.  Ukraine wasn't worth fighting for.  War zones are dangerous y'know!  He had more important things to do than fight for democracy.

 

Important things like this in 2014

 

But now that he's large 'n in charge, and he's safe from the burdensome burden of serving his country, he can send others to die for his lost cause.  No biggie, if they run out, the Poles or the Lithuanians will send more meat.

 

What's that?  The Russians are coming?  Now!!!!

Lemme get dressed........

[bannork]

'Trump and Vance were so rude': Ukrainians react to disastrous White House meeting

Before the full-scale invasion in 2022, President Zelensky's trust rating was 37%. Afterwards, it rocketed to 90%.

Before Donald Trump returned to office at the start of 2025, it was 52%. After he blamed Ukraine for starting the war, it hit 65%.

Ukrainians back Zelensky after disastrous Oval Office encounter - BBC News

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

'Trump and Vance were so rude': Ukrainians react to disastrous White House meeting

Before the full-scale invasion in 2022, President Zelensky's trust rating was 37%. Afterwards, it rocketed to 90%.

Before Donald Trump returned to office at the start of 2025, it was 52%. After he blamed Ukraine for starting the war, it hit 65%.

Ukrainians back Zelensky after disastrous Oval Office encounter - BBC News

 

   What point are you trying to make ?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Post a link to explain your reasoning. On my numbers its going to be 0.02 to 0.06c of warming.

He is probably implying that because Trump has got off the MMCC gravy train and is giving the greenies the finger salute, we are all going to die in a massive cloud of exhaust fumes, LOL.

 

Actually it's a bit strange that Trump jumped off, as it's a recipe for minting a fortune out of the sheeple for windmills and such like silliness. Nuclear power doesn't stop when the wind doesn't blow.

[thaibeachlovers]

31 minutes ago, bannork said:

'Trump and Vance were so rude': Ukrainians react to disastrous White House meeting

Before the full-scale invasion in 2022, President Zelensky's trust rating was 37%. Afterwards, it rocketed to 90%.

Before Donald Trump returned to office at the start of 2025, it was 52%. After he blamed Ukraine for starting the war, it hit 65%.

Ukrainians back Zelensky after disastrous Oval Office encounter - BBC News

That just shows a/ Ukrainians are dumb or b/ the polls were rigged. IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, PomPolo said:

The Marshall plan was offered to all European countries, but the Soviet Union and its satellite states in Eastern Europe rejected it.

but apparently not for Britain, which did get left behind post war, and still had to repay the US for the goodies during the war. Did Germany have to repay all the US $ that it got post war?

Seems it's more advantageous to be a defeated enemy of the US than a friend during the war.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, rough diamond said:

Which pub in the UK do you have this erudite conversation in?

Are you saying that people in the UK DO want to start a nuclear war to save Ukraine? Sure seems like it.