Feedback from Declaring Income for Thai Tax Year 2024 at Udonthani Tax Office

[vibration]

Hello all Members I just want to inform that today I visited the Udonthani Tax Office with my tax papers for 2024 and everything went perfectly I declared my Pension Income also Inheritance money sent to Thailand last year.

 

I receive pensions from the UK and Norway and normally I get back all the tax that I have paid on my Norwegian Pensions due to Tax Agreements, the UK Pensions are below the tax free threshold.

 

To celebrate we just had a lovely meal in an MK Restaurant.

 

Good luck to all members with your Tax Returns

[JontS]

What do you mean you get back all the tax that you have paid?

So you pay in Norway, and again in Thailand, and then get a refund from Thailand?

[vibration]

47 minutes ago, JontS said:

What do you mean you get back all the tax that you have paid?

So you pay in Norway, and again in Thailand, and then get a refund from Thailand?

No because of tax agreements berween  Norway and Thailand I get all tax paid on my pensions in Norway back.

 

My taxable income in  Norway is reduced by my taxable income in. Thailand and all in accordancw with the rax agreements between Thailand and Norway.

[JontS]

Ok, I understand. That's really good considering the tax rate in Norway compared to Thailand I guess? I'm looking into the conditions for the Denmark/Thailand DTA myself.

[JontS]

Just talked to the Danish tax authorities. Basically all pensions, both government and private, can be taxed in both countries, but as the tax percentage in Denmark is a minimum of 38%, this means that there will be no taxation from the Thai authorities as the DTA prevents double taxation. This is just as I thought it was.

[vibration]

16 minutes ago, JontS said:

Just talked to the Danish tax authorities. Basically all pensions, both government and private, can be taxed in both countries, but as the tax percentage in Denmark is a minimum of 38%, this means that there will be no taxation from the Thai authorities as the DTA prevents double taxation. This is just as I thought it was.

Hello thats great new for you I still recommend if you have not already done so  that you contact the Thai Tax authorities and get them to confirm whether you need to fill out a Thai Tax form or not just to be on the safe side.

 

I get the Thai Tax Office to fill out my Tax Return every year and I also get a Certificate of Residence and Income Tax Paid Certificate from them (free of charge) and I use a Scandinavian Tax Law Office in Thailand to send these in to the Norwegian Tax Authirities and it functions great.

 

Best wishes

 

 

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, JontS said:

This is just as I thought it was.

 

Yep - you're getting ripped off far more than citizens of other countries do.

[Lorry]

Did you have to pay tax on the inheritance money?

[bamnutsak]

Has anyone, other than those working here or with locally derived income, paid any tax?

 

Every tax office trip report seems to result in zero tax paid.

 

 

[FlorC]

How did you prove the inheritance money ?

[vibration]

4 hours ago, Lorry said:

Did you have to pay tax on the inheritance money?

No fortunately not I provided them with copies of the Will, Death Certificates, and all documents showing transfer of the money from the COOP in the UK who handled the Will to Norway and then to Thailand via WISE.

 

I also gave them a copy of the Thai Law Document stating that Inheritance money is tax free up to about 100 million cant remember the exact figure.

 

Evreything was shown as International Transfer on my Bank Statements so I had to specially mark the three transfers that were Inheritance.

[vibration]

2 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Has anyone, other than those working here or with locally derived income, paid any tax?

 

Every tax office trip report seems to result in zero tax paid.

 

 

Yes I pay approx 7000 each year and it will be more next year

[vibration]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

How did you prove the inheritance money ?

 

I provided them with copies of the Will, Death Certificates, and all documents showing transfer of the money from the COOP in the UK who handled the Will to Norway and then to Thailand via WISE.

 

I also gave them a copy of the Thai Law Document stating that Inheritance money is tax free up to about 100 million cant remember the exact figure.

 

Will payments from the COOP in the UK, Danske Bank Norway and WISE were shown as Inheritance.

 

Evreything was shown as International Transfer on my Bangkok Bank Statements so I had to specially mark the three transfers that were Inheritance.

 

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[Olav Seglem]

Also paid my thai income tax in buriram and share your experience (exept the lunch) 🙂

Also received "tax payment certificate" and " cerfificate of residence", document needed for deduction in norwegian tax.

And no- we dont get "ripped off" with our rax, we pay our share to make our country as "good as possible" 🙂

Most find thats ok, but guess all of us sometimes find "government spendings hard to understand" 😉

 

[bamnutsak]

8 minutes ago, vibration said:

Yes I pay approx 7000 each year and it will be more next year

 

You have earned income in Thailand? You transfer accessible income into Thailand?

 

For me, 640,000 THB in Assessible Income would result in a tax bill of 7,000 THB.

 

However my Assessible Income (in 2024) was zero.

 

 

 

 

[jwest10]

20 hours ago, vibration said:

Hello all Members I just want to inform that today I visited the Udonthani Tax Office with my tax papers for 2024 and everything went perfectly I declared my Pension Income also Inheritance money sent to Thailand last year.

 

I receive pensions from the UK and Norway and normally I get back all the tax that I have paid on my Norwegian Pensions due to Tax Agreements, the UK Pensions are below the tax free threshold.

 

To celebrate we just had a lovely meal in an MK Restaurant.

 

Good luck to all members with your Tax Returns

Well my circumstances maybe different and yes had a very small rebate on my tax in the UK  from their tax office.

Again, my local Revenue office has often stated that as your Thai personal allowances is higher than my Frozen state pension coming in to Thailand and have  small prnsions which are taxed in the UK and can proof this on the P60s.
They stated I do not need to file a form and many times and aware of the 220K or in my case 160K allowance but told on employment only and you have no employment in Thailand or indeed the UK.
Pleased you got sorted but you realise you are on the system now and so many conflicting reports and like many going to wait as the forms  are not up to date.

[sandyf]

23 minutes ago, vibration said:

Yes I pay approx 7000 each year and it will be more next year

I think what the poster actually meant was

"Has anyone, other than those working here or with locally derived income, paid any tax?(having paid tax in another country)"

So as far as your response goes, 7000 THB? and have you paid any tax elsewhere?

 

At the end of the day it is all about personal circumstances.

[vibration]

33 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

You have earned income in Thailand? You transfer accessible income into Thailand?

 

For me, 640,000 THB in Assessible Income would result in a tax bill of 7,000 THB.

 

However my Assessible Income (in 2024) was zero.

 

 

 

 

No earned income in Thailand I only recieve pension from UK abd Norway

[vibration]

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I think what the poster actually meant was

"Has anyone, other than those working here or with locally derived income, paid any tax?(having paid tax in another country)"

So as far as your response goes, 7000 THB? and have you paid any tax elsewhere?

 

At the end of the day it is all about personal circumstances.

I pay tax in Norway and Thailand

[SupermaNZ]

20 hours ago, JontS said:

Just talked to the Danish tax authorities. Basically all pensions, both government and private, can be taxed in both countries, but as the tax percentage in Denmark is a minimum of 38%, this means that there will be no taxation from the Thai authorities as the DTA prevents double taxation. This is just as I thought it was.

I'm unsure what the Danish rules are, but it may be possible (as for New Zealanders) for an application to be made (prior to permanently leaving your home country) for your Superannuation to be converted to the untaxed option.  The untaxed payment is then brought in to Thailand, and the (lower) Thailand rate of tax then applies.  Of course, this will be of no use to you if you have already retired/elected to continue to be taxed in your home country (if there is no retrospective option) - but for those that may be soon considering migrating to Thailand - this option may possibly be well worth investigating/considering.

[Geir Rasch]

Because of the tax treaty between Thailand and Norway, all Norwegians will reduce their total tax by paying tax to Thailand of the Norwegian pension transferred to Thailand. How it is for other nations I do not know.

[jwest10]

6 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Has anyone, other than those working here or with locally derived income, paid any tax?

 

Every tax office trip report seems to result in zero tax paid.

 

 

No to the point and see my posts

[Sheryl]

6 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Has anyone, other than those working here or with locally derived income, paid any tax?

 

Every tax office trip report seems to result in zero tax paid.

 

 

I have a friend who had to pay -- income from employment abroad that was not taxed in home country and   was remitted to Thailand. Clear cut situation. 

 

Modt of the posts fom people who ended up owing no tax are from Pensioners aged over 65. 

[JontS]

2 hours ago, SupermaNZ said:

I'm unsure what the Danish rules are, but it may be possible (as for New Zealanders) for an application to be made (prior to permanently leaving your home country) for your Superannuation to be converted to the untaxed option.  The untaxed payment is then brought in to Thailand, and the (lower) Thailand rate of tax then applies.  Of course, this will be of no use to you if you have already retired/elected to continue to be taxed in your home country (if there is no retrospective option) - but for those that may be soon considering migrating to Thailand - this option may possibly be well worth investigating/considering.

I don't think that is an option here, the danish authorities always get their money 😅

[khunPer]

On 3/3/2025 at 9:17 AM, JontS said:

Just talked to the Danish tax authorities. Basically all pensions, both government and private, can be taxed in both countries, but as the tax percentage in Denmark is a minimum of 38%, this means that there will be no taxation from the Thai authorities as the DTA prevents double taxation. This is just as I thought it was.

All DTAs are slightly different, so what the rule is for us Danes, might not be the same for tax residents from other countries. You need to check the individual DTA between your home country and Thailand.

 

In general it seems like that if you have already paid tax in your home country for a retirement pension, and the tax is higher than income tax in Thailand, and your home country has a DTA with Thailand, you don't need to report it in a tax return-form. B ut you need to keep proper documentation for already having paid income tax, if your are later checked and asked about it.

 

Especially for us Danish citizens, we can have a general letter from our tax-office, which states that we pay tax of retirement pension in Denmark, and furthermore a letter for each inbdividual tax year. Danes can read more about Thai tax-rules here, where you can see examples of such statements from the Danish tax office...

https://samesame-butdifferent.dk/doc/flytte-og-bo/Skatteguide.php

 

In general: Any funds/money transferred into Thailand that has not been income taxed in one's home country – or is proven savings from before 1st January 2024 – shall be decleared in the Thai tax return-form, if you are tax resident in Thailand (the 180 days rule). But check with eventual DTA what the specific rule is, it might even be an advantage to pay Thai income tax, like it is for us Danes with dividens from stocks.

 

You can find all the Thai DTAs in English language here:
https://www.rd.go.th/english/766.html

 

 

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, vibration said:

I pay tax in Norway and Thailand

If you haven't paid tax in the UK any remittance from there could be liable in Thailand.

[JontS]

19 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Especially for us Danish citizens, we can have a general letter from our tax-office, which states that we pay tax of retirement pension in Denmark, and furthermore a letter for each inbdividual tax year. Danes can read more about Thai tax-rules here, where you can see examples of such statements from the Danish tax office...

https://samesame-butdifferent.dk/doc/flytte-og-bo/Skatteguide.php

 

In general: Any funds/money transferred into Thailand that has not been income taxed in one's home country – or is proven savings from before 1st January 2024 – shall be decleared in the Thai tax return-form, if you are tax resident in Thailand (the 180 days rule). But check with eventual DTA what the specific rule is, it might even be an advantage to pay Thai income tax, like it is for us Danes with dividens from stocks.

 

You can find all the Thai DTAs in English language here:
https://www.rd.go.th/english/766.html

 

 

Thanks Per, very good info (especially for me :))

[vibration]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

If you haven't paid tax in the UK any remittance from there could be liable in Thailand.

My UK Pensions are already included together with my Norwegian Pensions and subject to tax in Thailand