How do you fit in a plane seat ?

[NoshowJones]

On 3/17/2025 at 8:35 AM, Ben Zioner said:

Yes you are are right, but you may note that in my post I didn't make any discrimination between slobs and rugby players. The latter might be an even greater burden for nearby passengers as they have invasive shoulders.

 

Only laws of physics should apply here, I guess you are aware of the facts that the aircraft take-off weight is factored into the flight fuel consumption.

Muscle weighs more than fat so certain rugby players and bodybuilders should be treated the same way as obese people where plane seats are concerned.

[wavodavo]

On 3/16/2025 at 1:32 PM, worgeordie said:

I don't believe one word of what you have reported , you would be in

hospital now , because at least one of the big guys would have taken

your head off , asking a question like that , 

 

regards Worgeordie

Bobby Boy smith again.

[NoshowJones]

On 3/16/2025 at 10:17 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Why... I'm 183cm and 90 kgs (now)...  when I was about 20 and playing Rugby I was at least 10-15 kgs heavier...   (fit and bulked up)...   Should I have paid for two seats ?

 

There are a lot of fit and healthy people who are too large for some of the seats...  So this issue isn't just about 'lazy fat people' and fat and jumping on the fat shaming bandwagon... 

 

 

The lazy fat people you refer to are mostly to blame just like people who deliberately allow themselves to go over 90 kgs, so they should pay for two seats.

[wavodavo]

2 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

Muscle weighs more than fat so certain rugby players and bodybuilders should be treated the same way as obese people where plane seats are concerned.

The good thing about being squashed in your economy seat is that you don't need a seat belt because in a   plane crash you won't get thrown out of your seat .

[wavodavo]

19 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

In all my years of flying I have never had an obese person sit next to me. I will never be abusive to anyone on a plane, no matter what, if I had any complaints I would speak to one of the cabin crew.

The airline knoes your weight because they have a set of weighing scales built in under the floor where you stand to check in.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, NoshowJones said:

The lazy fat people you refer to are mostly to blame just like people who deliberately allow themselves to go over 90 kgs, so they should pay for two seats.

 

Far too many people oversimplify this issue, reducing it to crude generalisations that betray both ignorance and a degree of bigotry.

 

The reality is that airline seats are a tight fit for various groups of people, not just those who are overweight due to poor lifestyle choices.

 

1) Individuals who are overweight due to inactivity and unhealthy habits.

2) Athletically built individuals—think rugby players—who are naturally broad and muscular.

3) Taller individuals whose height alone makes standard seating restrictive.

4) Those with medical conditions that contribute to weight gain.

5) Dedicated fitness enthusiasts who maintain a strong, muscular frame.

 

I fall towards the 'edge' of this debate myself.

At 90kg, I am athletic, fit, and healthy, playing football twice a week and leading an active lifestyle.

Walking through town, sitting in bars, I'm clearly fitter than many of the other foreigners around me. And yet, I am at this so-called 90kg "cut-off - you mentioned.... Yet, I am not a bodybuilder, no huge muscles, just solidly built.

 

I know men of my height who train, they are broader at the shoulders, more muscular, yet well over 90kg, perhaps closer to 100kg.

When I was younger, in peak athletic form for rugby, I maintained 100 to 105kg through intense training. When I switched to football, my weight naturally dropped closer to 90kg by season’s end.

 

The point is simple: airline seats are not just an issue for the "fat and lazy." Consider a naturally large, fit, and healthy Samoan or Fijian sitting next to you. These men are built like powerhouses, not through choice but through genetics.

 

Penalising individuals who are larger due to athleticism, genetics, or medical conditions is not just unfair - it borders on outright discrimination.

 

Suggesting otherwise leans dangerously close to prejudice IMO and airlines should be accountable for a level of inclusivity that recognises the diversity of the world we live in.

 

 

I am also understanding of the reluctance to be tollerant of the 'fat lazy slobs' who do nothing to support their health and flow over their seats into the 'space' of another passenger - but really, how often do we see that ???   

 

I'm a very regular flyer and have never seen anyone who can't fit in their seat (possibly because they'd know that already), though once I did see a guy who was unable to get his tray table down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NoshowJones]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Far too many people oversimplify this issue, reducing it to crude generalisations that betray both ignorance and a degree of bigotry.

 

The reality is that airline seats are a tight fit for various groups of people, not just those who are overweight due to poor lifestyle choices.

 

1) Individuals who are overweight due to inactivity and unhealthy habits.

2) Athletically built individuals—think rugby players—who are naturally broad and muscular.

3) Taller individuals whose height alone makes standard seating restrictive.

4) Those with medical conditions that contribute to weight gain.

5) Dedicated fitness enthusiasts who maintain a strong, muscular frame.

 

I fall towards the 'edge' of this debate myself.

At 90kg, I am athletic, fit, and healthy, playing football twice a week and leading an active lifestyle.

Walking through town, sitting in bars, I'm clearly fitter than many of the other foreigners around me. And yet, I am at this so-called 90kg "cut-off - you mentioned.... Yet, I am not a bodybuilder, no huge muscles, just solidly built.

 

I know men of my height who train, they are broader at the shoulders, more muscular, yet well over 90kg, perhaps closer to 100kg.

When I was younger, in peak athletic form for rugby, I maintained 100 to 105kg through intense training. When I switched to football, my weight naturally dropped closer to 90kg by season’s end.

 

The point is simple: airline seats are not just an issue for the "fat and lazy." Consider a naturally large, fit, and healthy Samoan or Fijian sitting next to you. These men are built like powerhouses, not through choice but through genetics.

 

Penalising individuals who are larger due to athleticism, genetics, or medical conditions is not just unfair - it borders on outright discrimination.

 

Suggesting otherwise leans dangerously close to prejudice IMO and airlines should be accountable for a level of inclusivity that recognises the diversity of the world we live in.

 

 

I am also understanding of the reluctance to be tollerant of the 'fat lazy slobs' who do nothing to support their health and flow over their seats into the 'space' of another passenger - but really, how often do we see that ???   

 

I'm a very regular flyer and have never seen anyone who can't fit in their seat (possibly because they'd know that already), though once I did see a guy who was unable to get his tray table down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The people could be charged in the same way as their luggage which goes into the hold. If they are too fat for a single seat they should be charged for two seats.

That means according to the peoples weight, it does not matter if their weight is due to their lifestyles, or whether they are rugby players or musclebound guys on steroids.

There could be one big problem here though. The airline companies could and probably would use this to make extra money from us just as they did and are still doing even now using the Chinese Virus as an excuse.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

The people could be charged in the same way as their luggage which goes into the hold. If they are too fat for a single seat they should be charged for two seats.

That means according to the peoples weight, it does not matter if their weight is due to their lifestyles, or whether they are rugby players or musclebound guys on steroids.

There could be one big problem here though. The airline companies could and probably would use this to make extra money from us just as they did and are still doing even now using the Chinese Virus as an excuse.

 

Sure... If the airlines are going to charge half price for my Wife who weighs half my weight !!!

 

The only intelligent and resonable balance I see here is... 

 

IF the flight is 100% full and the passenger cannot fit in an Eco Seat, they can't fly for safety reasons.

 

IF the flight is close to 100% full and the passenger wants to guarantee they get on the flight they can be offered a 'second seat' at a discounted rate (which I think is fair).

 

IF the flight is not full, I see no reason not to give the passenger their seat and a 'free centre seat'... no one else was going to use it - thats just good customer service. 

 

 

This whole approach needs to be taken from a customer service perspective and not a bigoted penalisation perspective that most here seem to view it from.

 

 

 

Check in crew must like me - because on most of my local flights I'm nearly always given an exit row..  I'm not particularly tall (just 183cm), but the clearly recognise that this makes a comfortable difference, so why not ?... 

 

 

 

 

[newnative]

    Airlines should require the purchase of 2 economy seats when someone's width exceeds the width of the seat.   Or, my solution, special extra-wide seats out on the wing.   No cabin service, unfortunately, but all the fresh air you could ever want--and the views!

[Rimmer]

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