Chinese Men Caught Removing Documents from Collapsed Building in Bangkok

[NoDisplayName]

17 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

 I dont know only guessing  but this would have been cut to the bone and a lot of matrial would have been substituted  but has to be proved,  there is one certain is the design was incorrect any first year student can find that out Table top buildings are not quake proof  not recommend

 

Are you sure about that being a "table top" building, and that there is no core?  The outside may or may not look similar while partially constructed.

 

Anyway, CRCC does have some expertise building tall structures.

 

CRCC Completes World's Tallest Hotel Building Project

https://english.crcc.cn/art/2024/12/19/art_441_5035144.html

 

 

And this appears to be an under construction photo.

 

[MikeandDow]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Are you sure about that being a "table top" building, and that there is no core?  The outside may or may not look similar while partially constructed.

 

Anyway, CRCC does have some expertise building tall structures.

 

CRCC Completes World's Tallest Hotel Building Project

https://english.crcc.cn/art/2024/12/19/art_441_5035144.html

 

 

And this appears to be an under construction photo.

 

CREC’s First Special High-Rise Project

Not only is the OAG under scrutiny, but China Railway No.10 Engineering Group (CREC), a subsidiary of a major Chinese state enterprise, has also come under fire from architectural circles.

Questions arose about why a company specializing in railway construction received a contract for a special high-rise building, which was advertised as “CREC’s first special high-rise construction project abroad.” The company had promoted this project as reflecting China’s engineering competitive capabilities as it makes serious inroads into the Southeast Asian market

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2025/03/31/probe-focuses-thai-chinese-venture-in-bangkoks-fatal-building-collapse/

[harryviking]

Who was responsible for hiring a Chinese firm to do this building??? Chinese TOFU crap is already widely known throughout the world! I wonder how much is hidden in those papers that was removed! Those pillars under that building was a complete joke!! Something smells bad here!! 😫

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

What is amazing is how did they get this design approved ?? did anybody do due diligence  on this !!

Design fine. Materials used is the question. 

[NoDisplayName]

4 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

CREC’s First Special High-Rise Project

Not only is the OAG under scrutiny, but China Railway No.10 Engineering Group (CREC), a subsidiary of a major Chinese state enterprise, has also come under fire from architectural circles.

Questions arose about why a company specializing in railway construction received a contract for a special high-rise building, which was advertised as “CREC’s first special high-rise construction project abroad.” The company had promoted this project as reflecting China’s engineering competitive capabilities as it makes serious inroads into the Southeast Asian market

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2025/03/31/probe-focuses-thai-chinese-venture-in-bangkoks-fatal-building-collapse/

 

CREC?

 

From the other thread, Italian-Thai Joint Venture (ITD-CRCC) is responsible for reconstructing the collapsed State Audit Office (SAI) building

 

Two separate entities.

 

By revenue, CREC is the largest construction company in the world in the 2015 Engineering News-Record "Top 225 Global Contractors".^[2] In 2016, CRECG ranks in the 57th place among Fortune Global 500 Enterprises^[3] and the 7th place among Top 500 Chinese Enterprises.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railway_Group_Limited

 

China Railway Construction Corporation Limited (abbreviated CRCC) is a listed construction enterprise based in Beijing, China, that was the second largest construction and engineering company in the world by revenue in 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railway_Construction_Corporation

[MikeandDow]

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Design fine. Materials used is the question. 

And how do you know the design is fine ??  proof

[jwl53]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Authorities quickly intervened, discovering these men taking documents related to contracts, electrical engineering, and inspection requests from the site's vicinity. After verification, police seized the files, questioned the quartet, and temporarily released them after confirming their credentials and work permits.

If this doesn't smack of attempted cover up for substandard materials , cost cutting, and illegal labour , will be interested to see what excuses and reasons for the collapse and it's not because it wasn't finished, the skeleton, the strength was in place cladding will not strengthen the building

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

think you are wrong  go look other news  you will see same columns

https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/contract-for-state-audit-office-construction-under-scrutiny/57041

Those columns do appear in other photos so not sure why Yagoda claims those were photo shopped (since he circled them). He won't provide any proof just a claim without support most likely

[NoDisplayName]

CREC or CRCC? 

Conflicting reports.

 

https://www.crecg.com/zgztywz/index/index.html

 

https://english.crcc.cn/

 

**EDIT**

 

Appears to be a subsidiary of CREC

 

China Railway Number 10 Engineering Group Company is not CRCC.

 

A backbone enterprise of China Railway Engineering Corporation, which is one of the World Top 500, China Railway No.10 Engineering Group Co., Ltd. is a super-large state-held cross-industry, transnational construction corporation, mainly specializing in contracting architectural engineering.

https://www.devex.com/organizations/china-railway-no-10-engineering-group-co-ltd-100364

 

 

It makes a difference when assigning blame.

[Bday Prang]

4 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

What is amazing is how did they get this design approved ?? did anybody do due diligence  on this !!

design is probably fine, but not the construction standards

[MikeandDow]

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

design is probably fine, but not the construction standards

how do you know the design is fine  and what is wrong with the construction standards

The construction standards are from thailand quality system, do you know what standards are,

Standards are agreed-upon documents that provide guidelines, specifications, or requirements for products, processes, or services, aimed at ensuring consistency, reliability, and safety. 

[Bday Prang]

Just now, MikeandDow said:

how do you know the design is fine  and what is wrong with the construction standards

Are you serious?  The design would be by computer and  its a standard high rise building. No financial benefit in scrimping there.  What's wrong with the construction standards? well it fell down did it not  It would  not be the first time concrete here has been found to be lacking cement. Remember where you are?

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

And how do you know the design is fine ??  proof

Oh dear! Do you really need to argue every single thing. The plans would have to be submitted. What do you think is more likely the planning approval was bent or there was cheaping out on the materials meant to be used for purposes of kickbacks? I know which one I'd put my money on.

[MikeandDow]

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

Are you serious?  The design would be by computer and  its a standard high rise building. No financial benefit in scrimping there.  What's wrong with the construction standards? well it fell down did it not  It would  not be the first time concrete here has been found to be lacking cement. Remember where you are?

 The design did not comply with Thailands standard  it is a Table top design which is Not recommend for Quakes

the construction standards are fine what you are saying this the matrials used did not come up to specification 

[Johno57]

Chinese steel is considered cheap &  inferior  in many countries, and the lack of even that steel in the walls & columns of the building caused it to fall like a sandcastle...but the question is " how many more are identical ? " simply for profit margins and what of buildings now under construction, and trasparency is needed to save condo investors and people's lives..there is usually an inspection before each floor of concrete poured, or was this overlooked..

[MikeandDow]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Oh dear! Do you really need to argue every single thing. The plans would have to be submitted. What do you think is more likely the planning approval was bent or there was cheaping out on the materials meant to be used for purposes of kickbacks? I know which one I'd put my money on.

the plans were approved   by thailand But any first year student will tell you that Table top design is not recommened for earthquakes  and unstable soils   and i think money changed hands not only for the approval of the design but also shoddy materials were used  the project was rife with corruption  and not only the contractors should be liable but also the thai goverment

And if you are going to post lets get it right first time 

[NoDisplayName]

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

the plans were approved   by thailand But any first year student will tell you that Table top design is not recommened for earthquakes  and unstable soils   and i think money changed hands not only for the approval of the design but also shoddy materials were used  the project was rife with corruption  and not only the contractors should be liable but also the thai goverment

 

You keep saying that.

 

I done googled it, and can't find "tabletop" or similar phrasing in relation to earthquake resistance standards.

 

Could be everything about the construction was fine, from the design to materials to construction to inspection.

 

Who approved the site?  And who owned/controlled the land before it was purchased for the project?

 

Could be whoever did, or didn't, do a site evaluation finding the location suitable for building a tall structure on a portion of Bangkok prone to turning to mush in response to tectonic activity......

[MikeandDow]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

You keep saying that.

 

I done googled it, and can't find "tabletop" or similar phrasing in relation to earthquake resistance standards.

 

Could be everything about the construction was fine, from the design to materials to construction to inspection.

 

Who approved the site?  And who owned/controlled the land before it was purchased for the project?

 

Could be whoever did, or didn't, do a site evaluation finding the location suitable for building a tall structure on a portion of Bangkok prone to turning to mush in response to tectonic activity......

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/news/general/40048071

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/news/general/40048071

Nothing in the article says the original plans weren't up to standard officially but were they is another thing and who's the mysterious person? As for materials as I have previously stated this is most likely the culprit as it wouldn't be the first time. No doubt though this has a very big stink to it.

[MikeandDow]

19 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

You keep saying that.

 

I done googled it, and can't find "tabletop" or similar phrasing in relation to earthquake resistance standards.

 

Could be everything about the construction was fine, from the design to materials to construction to inspection.

 

Who approved the site?  And who owned/controlled the land before it was purchased for the project?

 

Could be whoever did, or didn't, do a site evaluation finding the location suitable for building a tall structure on a portion of Bangkok prone to turning to mush in response to tectonic activity......

Architecture high rise building table top method pdf free download

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Nothing to worry about....Just doing a little house cleaning.....Before wrong people saw revealing documents..

Cabinets full of Forms ThB 1000 were removed for safe keeping.

[NoDisplayName]

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Architecture high rise building table top method pdf free download

 

"Tabletop" construction no exist.

They have these, but likely used computers.

 

[black tabby12345]

6 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Nothing to worry about....Just doing a little house cleaning.....Before wrong people saw revealing documents..

 

with some Inconvenient facts?

[chuang]

Destroying evidence...

[MikeandDow]

24 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

"Tabletop" construction no exist.

They have these, but likely used computers.

 

sorry its a nickname of the type of construction  method

[dinsdale]

No one has mentioned this so far. "Chinese men". These are CCP guys. They're there to see what they can clean up so as to cover up.

[MikeandDow]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

No one has mentioned this so far. "Chinese men". These are CCP guys. They're are there to see what they can clean up so as to cover up.

Very much so !!

[ignore it]

Chinese "Tofu Dreg Project" cover up attempt.

 

BUSTED !

[SOTIRIOS]

...3 Years & 3 Billion Baht Later...And Late....

...But We Found Someone To Focus On & Blame....(?)

...'Smuggle'....Or...'Salvage'.....(?)

...For Crying Out Loud...!!!

...Just Have To Look At The Pile Of Rubble & Know A Disgraceul Crime Has Been Perpetrated...(?)

[action]

Meanwhile the TAT is like,

"Let's get a hundred million MORE Chinese into the country!  Look how great we're doing!"