Chinese Men Caught Removing Documents from Collapsed Building in Bangkok

[JAS21]

6 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

ok, maybe I used the wrong wording, but I am sure you understand I meant the steel used to reinforce concrete pillars.

As they obviously cut the initial price tag from 2,5 billion to  380 million I would say it´s very likely the whole building was sub standard.

I think you misunderstand, just a little…….

[Packer]

Those pillars don't have string and orange clothe around them. That's the problem right there.

[dinsdale]

20 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

06/11/1988  some damage, 1983-04-22 some damage  1975-02-17  damage people hurt,1839-03-23 damage

you dont have to be on a fault line 

Iam right on one Tha Pla District, Uttaradit,

So not earthquake prone then. Thanks fpr the info.

[AustinRacing]

7 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

"caught"..."attempting to smuggle"..."the culprits"...

 

pretty strong language considering no one knows the motive for why the records were being moved. For all anyone knows at this point, they could have been protecting them from the elements, or making sure they were preserved in order to prove no wrongdoing on their part. Let the laugh emojis roll in, but it's true.

 

Considering the area is under police control (we just went passed it) if they weren’t up to no good they would’ve asked  police permission to enter. 

[MikeandDow]

22 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Considering the area is under police control (we just went passed it) if they weren’t up to no good they would’ve asked  police permission to enter. 

destroying all the NCRs (non conformace reports) RFI, all damaging paperwork  testing results ect

[dinsdale]

44 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Considering the area is under police control (we just went passed it) if they weren’t up to no good they would’ve asked  police permission to enter. 

Yep. These are CCP guys trying to clean up evidence. If it was above board as you correctly state they would ask gain permission.

[NoDisplayName]

3 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

After speaking to my Chinese friend

 

Here is the Chinese viral whispers

 

The Designer Architect was Italian and it is he who is to blame for the collapse 😄

 

WOW

 

I'd look into the Italian engineers.

There is precedent.,,,,,,,

 

[dinsdale]

Basically this building should have survived. Doesn't need to be built to earthquake specs. Bangkok isn't an earthquake prone zone. Shortcuts have been made and pockets have been filled and people have died. The blame for this surly is corruption. I would like anyone to challenge this. 

[dinsdale]

Just now, NoDisplayName said:

 

I'd look into the Italian engineers.

There is precedent.,,,,,,,

 

This is absurd. People have died because of corruption and the best you can do is a childish meme like post. Hold your head in shame. Pitiful just absolutely pitiful.

[NoDisplayName]

Just now, dinsdale said:

This is absurd. People have died because of corruption and the best you can do is a childish meme like post. Hold your head in shame. Pitiful just absolutely pitiful.

 

We don't know that yet.  Could be design flaw, could be corruption, could be poor site selection, could be many things.  There's even a slight chance it was an unknowable/unpredictable event, and nobody is to blame.

 

But many posters are already assessing blame.

It's the CCP, they're the culprits!

Surprised they aren't blaming Putin or Trump.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, AustinRacing said:

Considering the area is under police control (we just went passed it) if they weren’t up to no good they would’ve asked  police permission to enter. 

 

On Sunday, Bangkok Metropolitan Police Major General Noppasin Poonsawat, the deputy commissioner of the force, was quoted by the Bangkok Post as saying officers had questioned four Chinese men who were found removing 32 files from containers behind the collapsed building. The men reportedly had work permits for the site and were employed by a company under the auspices of the Italian-Thai Development firm, Noppasin said.

Noppasin was quoted by the Post as saying the files contained documents with information about contractors and sub-contractors on the project, and that the police had seized the files and then released the Chinese men after questioning.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thailand-earthquake-myanmar-deaths-bangkok-building-collapse-investigation/

[MikeandDow]

From another post 

 

https://x.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1906662052925714514

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

We don't know that yet.  Could be design flaw, could be corruption, could be poor site selection, could be many things.  There's even a slight chance it was an unknowable/unpredictable event, and nobody is to blame.

 

But many posters are already assessing blame.

It's the CCP, they're the culprits!

Surprised they aren't blaming Putin or Trump.

Use your brain. Nobody is to blame is the least probable cause. Do you live in Thailand? Do you know about corruption? As for the CCP the majority shareholder in the company is the CCP. It's a Belt and Road construction company.

[MikeandDow]

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Basically this building should have survived. Doesn't need to be built to earthquake specs. Bangkok isn't an earthquake prone zone. Shortcuts have been made and pockets have been filled and people have died. The blame for this surly is corruption. I would like anyone to challenge this. 

It is Thailand LAW  that the building was required to be built to the building code and that the buliding was to be quake proof

this is going to take time for all this to unravel  but in my opinion coruption is going to play a big part  from the goverment to all the relevent contractors

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Use your brain. Nobody is to blame is the least probable cause. Do you live in Thailand? Do you know about corruption? As for the CCP the majority shareholder in the company is the CCP. It's a Belt and Road construction company.

 

You've already made up your mind.

No investigation needed?

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

You've already made up your mind.

No investigation needed?

What are you saying? I would think corruption is front and centre on all Thai's minds. Already made my mind up? Yep. Same as the rest of Thailand. I've been talking to Thai friends and one and all say corruption.

[Rolo89]

55 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Basically this building should have survived. Doesn't need to be built to earthquake specs. Bangkok isn't an earthquake prone zone. Shortcuts have been made and pockets have been filled and people have died. The blame for this surly is corruption. I would like anyone to challenge this. 

BKK building do need to be up to earquake spec - that's why in 2007 buildings were required to meet earthquake specs!

 

It's soft ground and near earthquake zones.

[MikeandDow]

18 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What are you saying? I would think corruption is front and centre on all Thai's minds. Already made my mind up? Yep. Same as the rest of Thailand. I've been talking to Thai friends and one and all say corruption.

100% agree    only an idiot would  not agree

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

100% agree    omly an idiot would  not agree

Cheers. Dead right about idiots not seeing this for what it is. Heads must fall. Could this bring down the government? Just posing a question.  I'm sure it's front and centre on their minds. Are people in the govt. connected to this company? Could this be a massive scandal? Interesting days lie ahead.

[Ironmike]

The Chinese have built many outstanding buildings in their time but the truth is they are a very cheep people and will cut costs anywhere they can so it's no surprise that these scumbags where trying to remove the evidence that shows why this building failed and people were killed I truly hope that these guys and their bosses are locked up for the rest of there lives, but that doesn't stop the rest of them doing the same thing. 

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Ironmike said:

The Chinese have built many outstanding buildings in their time but the truth is they are a very cheep people and will cut costs anywhere they can so it's no surprise that these scumbags where trying to remove the evidence that shows why this building failed and people were killed I truly hope that these guys and their bosses are locked up for the rest of there lives, but that doesn't stop the rest of them doing the same thing. 

Don't forget the Thai's that got kickbacks from this. This goes up high IMO. Sadly I see a whitewash on the horizon.

[MikeandDow]

19 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Cheers. Dead right about idiots not seeing this for what it is. Heads must fall. Could this bring down the government? Just posing a question.  I'm sure it's front and centre on their minds. Are people in the govt. connected to this company? Could this be a massive scandal? Interesting days lie ahead.

already done a bit reseach into that  the chinse company CREC has to have a thai nominee  to be registerd and work in Thailand  how true is this i have to get betterconfirmation  but the old devil himself  Thaskin 

 

Construction: Budget of 2,560 million baht ($75.4 million), contracted to ITD-CREC (Italian-Thai Development Public Company Limited) joint venture with China Railway for 2,136 million baht ($62.9 million), below the median price. Payments of 966.80 million baht ($28.5 million) have already been disbursed

 I wish Thailand had public enquiries would like to see them squirm

[thaichiro]

So did the police keep the files for evidence, or just let them take it after showing their “credentials”?

[dinsdale]

39 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

already done a bit reseach into that  the chinse company CREC has to have a thai nominee  to be registerd and work in Thailand  how true is this i have to get betterconfirmation  but the old devil himself  Thaskin 

 

Construction: Budget of 2,560 million baht ($75.4 million), contracted to ITD-CREC (Italian-Thai Development Public Company Limited) joint venture with China Railway for 2,136 million baht ($62.9 million), below the median price. Payments of 966.80 million baht ($28.5 million) have already been disbursed

 I wish Thailand had public enquiries would like to see them squirm

 

I posted before but you might have missed it. China Railroad 10. They're the majority shareholder with 49%. CCP.

[MikeandDow]

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I posted before but you might have missed it. China Railroad 10. They're the majority shareholder with 49%. CCP.

yes  the joint venture is with China Railroad but for it to be register here it has to have a nominee which owns 51% and i belive is thaskin

 

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

yes  the joint venture is with China Railroad but for it to be register here it has to have a nominee which owns 51% and i belive is thaskin

 

According to a report by the UK's Telegraph, the SAO building was a joint venture between Italian-Thai Development Plc (ITD) and China Railway Number 10 (Thailand) Ltd. The latter is a subsidiary of China Railway Number 10 Engineering Group Company, which holds a 49 per cent stake - the maximum foreign ownership allowed under Thai law.

China Railway Number 10 Thailand, established in 2018, has operated as a contractor for large infrastructure projects, including office buildings, railways, and public roads, the report claimed. The company reported a net loss of 199.66 million baht in 2023, with revenue of 206.25 million baht and expenses of 354.95 million baht.

Its Thai shareholders include: Sophon Meechai (40.80%), who also holds stakes in five other companies; Prachuab Sirikhet (10.20%), with investments in six companies; Manas Sri-anant (less than 1%), who holds shares in ten other firms.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/myanmar-earthquake-thailand-earthquake-a-china-connection-in-bangkoks-33-storey-building-brought-down-by-quake-8045516

Does Thaksin have a finger or two in the pie? Who knows. A junta leader maybe? Possibly someone a a bit higher up. Who knows. The cover-up and BS that's going to come out of this will be something to behold. Using what you stated above only idiots will believe it.

[Graham8888]

13 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

And this is supposed to be quake proof !!  

 

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Something was below spec this is obvious. The building was structurally finished. 

 

Re bar and concrete columns - this building should have had a steel beam frame - biggest unfortunately irony is that it was being built to house the government AUDIT OFFICE!! Disgusting waste of lives 

 

 

[MikeandDow]

17 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

According to a report by the UK's Telegraph, the SAO building was a joint venture between Italian-Thai Development Plc (ITD) and China Railway Number 10 (Thailand) Ltd. The latter is a subsidiary of China Railway Number 10 Engineering Group Company, which holds a 49 per cent stake - the maximum foreign ownership allowed under Thai law.

China Railway Number 10 Thailand, established in 2018, has operated as a contractor for large infrastructure projects, including office buildings, railways, and public roads, the report claimed. The company reported a net loss of 199.66 million baht in 2023, with revenue of 206.25 million baht and expenses of 354.95 million baht.

Its Thai shareholders include: Sophon Meechai (40.80%), who also holds stakes in five other companies; Prachuab Sirikhet (10.20%), with investments in six companies; Manas Sri-anant (less than 1%), who holds shares in ten other firms.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/myanmar-earthquake-thailand-earthquake-a-china-connection-in-bangkoks-33-storey-building-brought-down-by-quake-8045516

Does Thaksin have a finger or two in the pie? Who knows. A junta leader maybe? Possibly someone a a bit higher up. Who knows. The cover-up and BS that's going to come out of this will be something to behold. Using what you stated above only idiots will believe it.

well as i said, i heard or read thaskin is in there !!  it will take a while for all this to unfold,  but there is going to be a big stink about it, think some heads will roll for sure !! 

[MikeandDow]

16 minutes ago, Graham8888 said:

 

 

Re bar and concrete columns - this building should have had a steel beam frame - biggest unfortunately irony is that it was being built to house the government AUDIT OFFICE!! Disgusting waste of lives 

 

 

 in reality the design was not suitable for high rise   but this was approved by the goverment committee  heads should roll for this!!

[Rob Browder]

13 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

 

While poor-design is certainly to be suspected and studied - for those in older buildings, keep in mind:
Concrete hardens over time - not "all at once."  Years later, it is still getting harder every year.  Therefore, a 2+ year-old building is significantly stronger than this one, even if built with similar flaws in design.  Damage has been reported in older-buildings, but they did not collapse.

 

My first guess, was that it is possible they were rushing - adding new pours, before previous ones had cured enough to support the weight added.  It is also possible that pours which should have been contiguous were not.  My next question would be the quality of the steel rebar.  Of course, it could come down to simply a poorly engineered structural-design.