Are U.S. expats shielded from the massive Trump Tariff Tax Raise on Americans?

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1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

USTR Releases 2025 National Trade Estimate Report

March 31, 2025

WASHINGTON — Today, the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) submitted the 2025 National Trade Estimate (NTE) to President Trump and Congress. The NTE is an annual report detailing foreign trade barriers faced by U.S. exporters and USTR’s efforts to reduce those barriers.
Thailand Page 339 of report

https://ustr.gov/about/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2025/march/ustr-releases-2025-national-trade-estimate-report

 which effectively prevents the importation of U.S. pork products.

Thailand has banned U.S. turkey meat imports since late 2014. 

“processed foods made or derived from animal carcass,” including sausage, salami, ham, bacon, smoked meat products, pickled meat products, cured meat products, honey and related products, and salty/processed eggs and egg yolks.  Other than a single product approved in early 2022, DLD has not approved any new processed meat products.

Alcoholic beverages: Import taxes on wine are as high as 400%.

It would appear that the Federation of Thai Industries as  identified trading barrier issues between Thailand and the USA

As I personally don't drink wine I am shielded from huge import tarriffs on wine regardless of when they were placed tomorrow or 20 years ago
https://www.kaohoon.com/news/745614

Some food bans are about protecting from diseases and also certain U.S. animal husbandry practices like using ractopamine. They aren't alone in this.

As of 2014, according to the Humane Society, the use of ractopamine was “banned or restricted” in 160 countries,^[6] including the European Union, China and Russia,^[7][8] while 27 other countries, such as Japan, the United States, South Korea, and New Zealand have deemed meat from livestock fed ractopamine safe for human consumption.^[9][10][11]

 

It's true that their tariffs on alcoholic beverages are way too high.

But the thing is, one of the factors that has kept Thailand from making more economic progress is their protectionism. But it does suit the people at the top of the thai economy.

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, given that they don't live in America, why wouldn't they be shielded from Trump's tariffs. Of course, if they ordered stuff from the USA and their country of residence imposed retaliatory tariffs, they would be affected in a secondary way.

Are expats shielded from Trumps tariffs? I say again this is nonsense. These tariffs that Trump's imposed will have an affect globally. Positive or negative in the long run is speculative to say. What is certain is there's no special little bubble for US expats which the OP's questioning.

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8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Are expats shielded from Trumps tariffs? I say again this is nonsense. These tariffs that Trump's imposed will have an affect globally. Positive or negative in the long run is speculative to say. What is certain is there's no special little bubble for US expats which the OP's questioning.

To judge from the kind of situations jingthing was citing, I'd say his concerns were more specific than general. But he is the only person who can actually clarify what he was concerned about.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

To judge from the kind of situations jingthing was citing, I'd say his concerns were more specific than general. But he is the only person who can actually clarify what he was concerned about.

To judge from his history of posts it's simply nonsense. Governments aren't shielded FFS why would expats be. Again I say this thread is simply trolling.

[thesetat]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Jeez. They are RECIPROCAL tariffs to help reverse the giant trade defecit. Why do you keep framing things so dishonestly and with such emotion? Countries that have been taking the P will fold like wet napkins and stop their tariffs, life will go on. Calm down please for your own sake.

He is a Trump hater. So everything that Trump does is bad in his eyes. He can not help but to spin negativity in threads against things Trump is doing. I would bet he opened the thread simply to cause turmoil in replies. I do not one single link he supplied to verify his claims about Vietnamese shoes costing more in the USA now. Nor anything to substantiate his other claims. This is a purely hypothetical thread with a negative twist to attack a Trump policy. 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

To judge from his history of posts it's simply nonsense. Governments aren't shielded FFS why would expats be. Again I say this thread is simply trolling.

It's ok, you don't understand the premises of the op. No need to call it trolling. 

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It's ok, you don't understand the premises of the op. No need to call it trolling. 

More like faking not understanding. Now that's trolling!

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, thesetat said:

He is a Trump hater. So everything that Trump does is bad in his eyes. He can not help but to spin negativity in threads against things Trump is doing. I would bet he opened the thread simply to cause turmoil in replies. I do not one single link he supplied to verify his claims about Vietnamese shoes costing more in the USA now. Nor anything to substantiate his other claims. This is a purely hypothetical thread with a negative twist to attack a Trump policy. 

Your post is insane.

Obviously when the Trump Tax tariffs come into effect against Vietnam sneakers imported to the US are going to need to cost much more to absorb the tariff. Yes some total maga cult morons think the foreign country pays the tariffs. Nope. The US importer pays and passes the cost to consumers. So basically a new tax. DUH.

 

[dinsdale]

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It's ok, you don't understand the premises of the op. No need to call it trolling. 

The premise is will particular individuals, in this case US expats, be shielded from the tariffs. Give me one good reason why this would happen when entire countries are thinking about what their going to do to minimise the tariffs and why this isn't trolling. If it's not trolling what's the alternative? A genuine question? Nobody can be this stupid. 

[thesetat]

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Your post is insane.

Obviously when the Trump Tax tariffs come into effect against Vietnam sneakers imported to the US are going to need to cost much more to absorb the tariff. Yes some total maga cult morons think the foreign country pays the tariffs. Nope. The US importer pays and passes the cost to consumers. So basically a new tax. DUH.

 

Where are your links? Otherwise you are just spitting out hypothetical jargon. Show the prices have risen for shoes in Vietnam. You can not even say for sure that tariffs will be enforced or negotiated to bring a better result to the US. Yet, quick to make claims without any factual support. 

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Where are your links? Otherwise you are just spitting out hypothetical jargon. Show the prices have risen for shoes in Vietnam. You can not even say for sure that tariffs will be enforced or negotiated to bring a better result to the US. Yet, quick to make claims without any factual support. 

Pathetic.

[camper star]

3 hours ago, pomchop said:

Hey trump  promised to bring prices down on day one as maga cheered his every utterance.. 

 

He was obviously talking about bringing stock prices down.  Promise delivered.  More to come.

 

 

The stock prices were in never never land to begin with.

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The premise is will particular individuals, in this case US expats, be shielded from the tariffs. Give me one good reason why this would happen when entire countries are thinking about what their going to do to minimise the tariffs and why this isn't trolling. If it's not trolling what's the alternative? A genuine question? Nobody can be this stupid. 

Did you even read the OP?

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Did you even read the OP?

I did. Complete rubbish and here's just one example:

A grab from your OP which I'll italicize..

 

"....will the Trump regime realize that expats are outside his massive tax hike bubble and in response craft a financial penalty targeted at expats?"

 

Expats? He's threatening the global economy with tariffs and for some reason you think Trump will consider expats, If you're serious you have a problem if you're not you're trolling,

 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I did. Complete rubbish and here's just one example:

A grab from your OP which I'll italicize..

 

"....will the Trump regime realize that expats are outside his massive tax hike bubble and in response craft a financial penalty targeted at expats?"

 

Expats? He's threatening the global economy with tariffs and for some reason you think Trump will consider expats, If you're serious you have a problem if you're not you're trolling,

 

He's attacking American consumers with massive tax spikes.

[dinsdale]

Just now, Jingthing said:

He's attacking American consumers with massive tax spikes.

Expats??????

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Expats??????

Stop trolling. Read the OP.

[NoDisplayName]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stop trolling. Read the OP.

 

The entire OP appears to be trolling.

 

except for Russia, NK, etc.

totally insane

infinite idiocy

the Trump regime

 

An honest discussion would go something like this:

 

"Do you think President Trump's newly-introduced tariff schedule will affect us as expat Americans?"

 

 

[still kicking]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Wildly misleading. Just googled about buying US beef in Oz. No tariff per se but some bs about not allowing US beef in for some other reason. It is still protectionism. Same with US cars, bring them into Oz no worries Bruce, but then must be converted to RHD at major expense. More protectionism.

I start to seriously doubt the IQ of many forum leftists here who just parrot fake news narratives. Oh but its just for safety the ABC watchers cry, jog on fellas. 

Bull Australia had a free trade agreement with the USA for 50 years now, and he penalised Australia with a tarrif of 10 % and yes there is 10% on Australian beef. Good luck getting a McDonald's for the same price since most are made from Australian beef.

[Jingthing]

37 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

The entire OP appears to be trolling.

 

except for Russia, NK, etc.

totally insane

infinite idiocy

the Trump regime

 

An honest discussion would go something like this:

 

"Do you think President Trump's newly-introduced tariff schedule will affect us as expat Americans?"

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

The entire OP appears to be trolling.

 

except for Russia, NK, etc.

totally insane

infinite idiocy

the Trump regime

 

An honest discussion would go something like this:

 

"Do you think President Trump's newly-introduced tariff schedule will affect us as expat Americans?"

 

 

That would have been a meaningless pablum question.

In a sleazy manner you take snippets out to distort the context.

We already know things about what's happening and I appropriately framed the question I was actually asking.

 

Trump announced massive new tariffs globally with Thailand and Vietnam used in the sneaker example being among the hardest hit.

 

We know for a fact how tariffs work even if the destructive narcissist in the white house doesn't. 

 

To wit --

Tariffs have nothing to do with trade imbalances

Tariffs are not paid by the tariffed nation.

Instead they are paid by the importer who then needs to pass on that extra cost to consumers. (In effect a TAX on consumers.)

 

So back to the sneaker example.

When the new Trump Tax Tariffs hit Vietnam sneakers imported into the US will need to cost more to cover that new large cost factor. US consumers pay that.

 

The same sneakers imported to Thailand from Vietnam are of course not subject to Trump Tax Tariffs.

 

So an American expat in Thailand in effect gets a "tax break" compared to US based consumers on the purchase of the same sneakers.

 

Obviously there are many complex cost factors that go into retail sales, but the sneaker example is used here to focus on the Trump Tax Tariff factor alone.

 

 

 

[Oink]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Another thought. 

Assuming the biggest market for Vietnamese made sneakers is the US obviously many will refuse to buy them with new Trump Tax prices. So considering normal supply and demand pressures wouldn't that mean that those sneakers in Thailand should likely go down in price?

As Americans are happy to pay $200 for a $5.00 pair of sneakers. Who are we to question their there wisdom.

Wake up call!  I Phones are not American, they are Chinese. They should be  changed at + 1,000%

[NoDisplayName]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

That would have been a meaningless pablum question.

In a sleazy manner you take snippets out to distort the context.

We already know things about what's happening and I appropriately framed the question I was actually asking.

 

Trump announced massive new tariffs globally with Thailand and Vietnam used in the sneaker example being among the hardest hit.

 

We know for a fact how tariffs work even if the destructive narcissist in the white house doesn't. 

 

To wit --

Tariffs have nothing to do with trade imbalances

Tariffs are not paid by the tariffed nation.

Instead they are paid by the importer who then needs to pass on that extra cost to consumers. (In effect a TAX on consumers.)

 

So back to the sneaker example.

When the new Trump Tax Tariffs hit Vietnam sneakers imported into the US will need to cost more to cover that new large cost factor. US consumers pay that.

 

The same sneakers imported to Thailand from Vietnam are of course not subject to Trump Tax Tariffs.

 

So an American expat in Thailand in effect gets a "tax break" compared to US based consumers on the purchase of the same sneakers.

 

Obviously there are many complex cost factors that go into retail sales, but the sneaker example is used here to focus on the Trump Tax Tariff factor alone.

 

 

 

 

Golly!  That's a whole lot of words to say I'm right. 

The title of the trolling thread was what again?

 

Are U.S. expats shielded from the massive Trump Tariff Tax Raise on Americans?

 

Just another "I hate Donald" thread.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Oink said:

As Americans are happy to pay $200 for a $5.00 pair of sneakers. Who are we to question their there wisdom.

Wake up call!  I Phones are not American, they are Chinese. They should be  changed at + 1,000%

Of course I think most products contain international parts regardless of where assembled.

Was globalism so bad really?

Note this podcast that asserts that even if the supposed Trump goal of bringing back a golden age of manufacturing jobs will only bring back an additional 2 percent and that's best case scenario

 

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Golly!  That's a whole lot of words to say I'm right. 

The title of the trolling thread was what again?

 

Are U.S. expats shielded from the massive Trump Tariff Tax Raise on Americans?

 

Just another "I hate Donald" thread.

Don't be so flippin' dense!

I clearly explained what I meant MULTIPLE TIMES.

Don't play act that you don't get it. 

You don't really want to engage the topic here.

You don't like the topic here so all you've got is a personal attack on me.

Obnoxious noise really. 

[Jingthing]

Wow.

I must say my sneaker example was really spot on.

 

Nike (the sneaker factory people in Vietnam) says they will NOT build sneaker factories in the US.

 

They realize they will now sell many fewer sneaks to Americans who won't be able to afford them with the the Trump Tax Tariffs addeed so they'll simply sell to other markets.

 

SUCH AS THAILAND!

Without the Trump Tax Tariffs.

 

www.benzinga.com/markets/equities/25/04/44640220/peter-schiff-says-nike-wont-build-factories-in-us-they-will-sell-to-countries-like-china-a-much-better-strategy-amid-trump-tariffs

Peter Schiff Says Nike 'Won't Build Factories' In US, They Will Sell To Countries Like China: A Much Better Strategy Amid Trump Tariffs - Lululemon Athletica (NASDAQ:LULU), Columbia Sportswear (NASDAQ:COLM) - Benzinga

 

[camper star]

19 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Wildly misleading. Just googled about buying US beef in Oz. No tariff per se but some bs about not allowing US beef in for some other reason. It is still protectionism. Same with US cars, bring them into Oz no worries Bruce, but then must be converted to RHD at major expense. More protectionism.

I start to seriously doubt the IQ of many forum leftists here who just parrot fake news narratives. Oh but its just for safety the ABC watchers cry, jog on fellas. 

Remember you are dealing with people who want the tax payers to pay their crazy student loans .

[camper star]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Wow.

I must say my sneaker example was really spot on.

 

Nike (the sneaker factory people in Vietnam) says they will NOT build sneaker factories in the US.

 

They realize they will now sell many fewer sneaks to Americans who won't be able to afford them with the the Trump Tax Tariffs addeed so they'll simply sell to other markets.

 

SUCH AS THAILAND!

Without the Trump Tax Tariffs.

 

www.benzinga.com/markets/equities/25/04/44640220/peter-schiff-says-nike-wont-build-factories-in-us-they-will-sell-to-countries-like-china-a-much-better-strategy-amid-trump-tariffs

Peter Schiff Says Nike 'Won't Build Factories' In US, They Will Sell To Countries Like China: A Much Better Strategy Amid Trump Tariffs - Lululemon Athletica (NASDAQ:LULU), Columbia Sportswear (NASDAQ:COLM) - Benzinga

 

Good. They are truly over-priced to begin with.

[camper star]

14 hours ago, still kicking said:

Bull Australia had a free trade agreement with the USA for 50 years now, and he penalised Australia with a tarrif of 10 % and yes there is 10% on Australian beef. Good luck getting a McDonald's for the same price since most are made from Australian beef.

Also, Japan uses Australian beef too. The chicken mcnuggets here come from Thailand, before China, but when they wouldn't allow the health dept in, in China, cancelations of chicken came to a  stop.

[KhunLA]

42 minutes ago, camper star said:

Good. They are truly over-priced to begin with.

Nike could lower the wholesale price the full amount of tariff, and still make huge profit.

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

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