Hegseth Said to Have Shared Attack Details in Second Signal Chat

[Presnock]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Personal loyalty is much more important than ability when choosing staff.

You can work around someone that is barely competent, but someone disloyal will sink you.

I'm guessing you never had staff.

IMHO as an American, mil vet, civil servent 35 years, there are plenty of American citizens willing to serve, especially as agency heads.  But to use size of bank acct to name this crew of Trump, is ridiculous and the cracks have been showing since the very beginning. These people IMHO have very little loyalty to the US in that they don't really care about JOE CITIZEN AND FAMILY and the Nation but only the prestige of working as an agency head.  When your head of intel is there sharing classified material with a bunch of amateurs on a government known SIGNAL that is not for classified material, it shows how dumb some people are.  Even Biden's crew knew that!  I have been a chief and know about loyalty of your workers but they know that WE as a team must follow the rules and regulations which are LEGAL and support the US Constitution.  These folks probably have not even read that even though they have been required to swear to that oath! IMHO

[Walker88]

For all those standing behind Hegseth, imagine this:

 

You're deployed on a US carrier off the coast of the Arabian Peninsula. You just got off the phone with your wife and little son, whose birthday you are missing because of your deployment.  You could hear the crying of your wife as you closed off the call.

 

You then head out to climb into the cockpit of your F-18, missiles loaded, ready for a long and dangerous flight toward Sana'a. You find out your boss has been on his private phone discussing your upcoming raid with his wife and friends, even noting the time your flight will get catapulted off the deck of your warship.

 

Do you still trust your boss' discretion and opsec? Do you fear getting hit by anti-aircraft or g-to-a missiles fired by Houthis, who might now know your mission, your targets and your timing? Do you wish you had told your wife and son one more time you loved them?

[Presnock]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

That's hardly the point, though. The discussion is about Signal and his use of it.  

Yeah and even the Biden team 9of which I was not and am not a fan knew well about the dangers of using SIGNAL for classified information.

[StandardIssue]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

For all those standing behind Hegseth, imagine this:

 

You're deployed on a US carrier off the coast of the Arabian Peninsula. You just got off the phone with your wife and little son, whose birthday you are missing because of your deployment.  You could hear the crying of your wife as you closed off the call.

 

You then head out to climb into the cockpit of your F-18, missiles loaded, ready for a long and dangerous flight toward Sana'a. You find out your boss has been on his private phone discussing your upcoming raid with his wife and friends, even noting the time your flight will get catapulted off the deck of your warship.

 

Do you still trust your boss' discretion and opsec? Do you fear getting hit by anti-aircraft or g-to-a missiles fired by Houthis, who might now know your mission, your targets and your timing? Do you wish you had told your wife and son one more time you loved them?

Sh!t just got real. Very well put. Exactly on the money Walker

[BritManToo]

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That would look great on a resume. "I'm barely competent, but I am loyal. "

Resume ......... not that important.

I was once involved recruiting some new PAs, we had over 2,000 applicants for 4 positions.

Step one, throw all applications on standard paper in the bin, leaving us with a choice of 15.

(Two of whom I had asked HR to 'invite to apply'.)

Result ..... the two I invited (no qualifications beyond high school) were great at the job, the one with a first from Cambridge, not so good, but good enough. 

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14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Resume ......... not that important.

I was once involved recruiting some new PAs, we had over 2,000 applicants for 4 positions.

Step one, throw all applications on standard paper in the bin, leaving us with a choice of 15.

(Two of whom I had asked HR to 'invite to apply'.)

Result ..... the two I invited (no qualifications beyond high school) were great at the job, the one with a first from Cambridge, not so good, but good enough. 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that barely competent is acceptable so long as the employee is loyal.

[sscc]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

Supposedly, both Signal chats occurred around the same time.  So, maybe he has now moved on to more secure forms of communication?

 

 

 

Prudent Defense Secretary does not talk about USA Defense Dept, classified or unclassified details to wife, brothers,  family  in ANY form of communication.

It is  not secure or unsecure communication issue.  

[jas007]

9 minutes ago, sscc said:

 

Prudent Defense Secretary does not talk about USA Defense Dept, classified or unclassified details to wife, brothers,  family  in ANY form of communication.

It is  not secure or unsecure communication issue.  

Agreed.  Maybe he's been so informed and has moved on at this point. 

[bamnutsak]

One has to wonder how many Signal chat-rooms Hegseth, and other members of the trump administration (Kristi Noem) are using?

 

And how many dick-pics have been sent to the wrong group chat?

 

At this point Jeanine Piro or Jesse Watters would make a better secdef.

 

 

[connda]

Personally I could care.  Realistically, Hegseth is under-qualified for the position he holds.  That position should be occupied by someone who is at least an O-7 or above. And using Signal is simply stupid, but it's use is a reflection of the current culture in Washington DC on both sides of the aisle: Democrat, Republican, or Independent.  This isn't a Trump administration phenomenon. Signal's use pre-dates both Trump administrations.  Realistically, it should be banned from government use.

[Presnock]

3 hours ago, StandardIssue said:

Sh!t just got real. Very well put. Exactly on the money Walker

Unfortunately for many vets, they do not know how much those responsible for their safety really care about that safety or not.  Having been in VN and knowing how well the military took care of me and my fellow soldiers flying into danger daily made me more confident as I would sit through the pre-briefs and post- briefs and realize that we always were covered.  Now if these same clowns were in charge I don't think I would feel that confident.  Just like firing 3 senior Pentagon folks over the SIGNAL (first one) missteps instead of firing those senor folks who should have realized that there are special communications for talking about classified activity.  Even Biden's team (not a fan) were aware of the dangers of that means of communication.  Now with a bunch of amateurs running the shows, they are more concerned with ease of chatting instead of thinking about those going into danger.  This is my opinion based on my time around seniors for many years in all kinds of classified activity.

[Presnock]

2 hours ago, connda said:

Personally I could care.  Realistically, Hegseth is under-qualified for the position he holds.  That position should be occupied by someone who is at least an O-7 or above. And using Signal is simply stupid, but it's use is a reflection of the current culture in Washington DC on both sides of the aisle: Democrat, Republican, or Independent.  This isn't a Trump administration phenomenon. Signal's use pre-dates both Trump administrations.  Realistically, it should be banned from government use.

Basically for anything that should be sensitive it is banned from what I have read.  But also we see aides and others talking about their senior people now using their personal phones for anything and everything.  Then they fire 3 senior pentagon guys because the senior folks discussed classified on SIGNAL and the senior folks mistake was mentioned by Trump and co. as a fake story from teh Atlantic magazine.  Just like yesterday, Homeland Security Agency Head has her purse stolen with $3000.00, govt clearance ID and badge, phone and who knows what else.  Really an alert individual but I guess we already knew that.

[MicroB]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Personal loyalty is much more important than ability when choosing staff.

You can work around someone that is barely competent, but someone disloyal will sink you.

I'm guessing you never had staff.

 

No its not, and yes I have.

[MicroB]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

Which has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that barely competent is acceptable so long as the employee is loyal.

 

He's making it up.

[MicroB]

5 hours ago, Presnock said:

Basically for anything that should be sensitive it is banned from what I have read.  But also we see aides and others talking about their senior people now using their personal phones for anything and everything.  Then they fire 3 senior pentagon guys because the senior folks discussed classified on SIGNAL and the senior folks mistake was mentioned by Trump and co. as a fake story from teh Atlantic magazine.  Just like yesterday, Homeland Security Agency Head has her purse stolen with $3000.00, govt clearance ID and badge, phone and who knows what else.  Really an alert individual but I guess we already knew that.

 

Why did she have $3000 in her purse? Buying a used car?

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

No its not, and yes I have.

I was talking to Spider Mike not a random troll.

[metisdead]

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[Harrisfan]

On 4/22/2025 at 12:13 AM, CallumWK said:

 

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Stock market today: Dow, S&P 500, Nasdaq sink with Trump's tariffs, Fed bashing in focus

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live/stock-market-today-dow-sp-500-nasdaq-sink-with-trumps-tariffs-fed-bashing-in-focus-133040446.html

 

 

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[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Up 1000 points 

 

And still down 1600 points in the last 5 days. 

 

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

And still down 1600 points in the last 5 days. 

 

Which has happened 50 times before. You guys are clueless.

[Presnock]

9 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

Why did she have $3000 in her purse? Buying a used car?

planned a wild night I guess - I have noted that she is really into modelling and wearing the HLS warriors' protective clothing, so maybe she planned on a shopping trip.  But carrying that much money, and the other important items and then not being careful - what another idiot the Trump nominated people seem to be! IMHO

[jerrymahoney]

“Her entire family was in town including her children and grandchildren – she was using the ($3000) withdrawal to treat her family to dinner, activities, and Easter gifts,” a DHS spokesperson said.

Law enforcement experts have raised concerns about whether the incident, which involved a thief getting so close to a Cabinet official and then absconding with her belongings, may have been a lapse in security.

“This is a security breach that actually has high consequences, and it needs immediate and further review by the Secret Service and DHS, and other law enforcement partners,” said Jonathan Wackrow, a CNN law enforcement analyst and former Secret Service agent.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/21/politics/homeland-security-kristi-noem-purse-stolen/index.html

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2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

“Her entire family was in town including her children and grandchildren – she was using the ($3000) withdrawal to treat her family to dinner, activities, and Easter gifts,” a DHS spokesperson said.

I don't think it's anybody's business what she needed that $3000 for. It could be for her family or it could be for hookers. Who cares? Still, there is such a thing as a credit card. And paying via apps.

[jerrymahoney]

Maybe the thief just wanted to get her SIGNAl account on the phone so he can listen to the next chat.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe the thief just wanted to get her SIGNAl account on the phone so he can listen to the next chat.

Funny.

[jerrymahoney]

Washington Post headline yesterday:

Pete Hegseth, isolated and defiant, has Trump’s backing for now
Officials say the unraveling of the defense secretary’s inner circle is cause for alarm, leaving some to wonder how the Pentagon would function in a national security crisis.

[jerrymahoney]

Washington Post via https://archive.ph/205DE   23 APR 2025 EDT

 

100 days in, Hegseth touts record, dismisses critics in fiery address
With expletive-laden remarks, Trump’s embattled defense chief attempts to mount a counterattack and rebuffs Democrats’ calls to resign.

 

While many Democrats are calling for Hegseth to go, others predicted that a dismissal would be unlikely. Rep. Adam Smith (Washington), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said recent events had proven that Hegseth lacked the experience to effectively lead the Pentagon but that Trump prized loyalty over other characteristics.

“So, no, I don’t expect Trump to fire Pete Hegseth. Pete Hegseth’s doing a great job for Donald Trump,” Smith told MSNBC. “He’s just jeopardizing the national security of the American people, which we all ought to be concerned about.”

[MicroB]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/04/23/hegseth-signal-pentagon-computer/

 

Pete Hegseth directed the installation of Signal — the commercially available messaging app — on a desktop computer in his Pentagon office, illustrating the extent to which he has integrated use of unclassified communications into his work.

 

Quote

 

"Hegseth’s decision to install Signal on a desktop computer in the Pentagon was a work-around that enabled him to use Signal in a classified space, where his cellphone and other personal electronics are not permitted."

 

 

 

Why does he need a second non-DoD computer installed in his office?

 

 

[BLMFem]

41 minutes ago, MicroB said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/04/23/hegseth-signal-pentagon-computer/

 

Pete Hegseth directed the installation of Signal — the commercially available messaging app — on a desktop computer in his Pentagon office, illustrating the extent to which he has integrated use of unclassified communications into his work.

 

 

 

Why does he need a second non-DoD computer installed in his office?

 

 

Could be lots of reasons. Porn, selling state secrets, playing Tetris, googling "what the heck does a Sec of Def really do?", asking an AI how he can possibly insert himself deeper into Trump's biggly butt.