Why Zelensky Won’t Bargain Away Crimea — No Matter the Pressure

[Dan O]

20 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Ok, ignore Zaporazhia, the Crimea, Odessa....

 

I'll be happy to give you a reading list. Try https://images.app.goo.gl/rfBYybWPCRKbnWJD8

No I'm not wrong. Like almost ever country on earth that has been created and changed numerous times both in borders or in name. Ukraine has been officially a country since 1991. It is made up of numerous religions, languages,  cultures and nationalities but its still Ukraine. Wake up its 2025 not 1950

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United States President Donald Trump criticised Vladimir Putin after holding one-on-one talks with Ukraine’s leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy in St Peter’s Basilica saying “maybe he doesn’t want to stop the war”…….doh, not too bright are you donny boy!       

 

[puck2]

Immagine the following situation:

 

Russia would like to win ALASKA (one of the states of the USA) by crossing the Bearing Sea with their army. They battled already ~3 years. To stop the war against the USA-state the Russians demand some parts of Alaska well known for its oil and mineral resources. If not given to the Russians the war between the USA and Russia would go on.

 

Now ask some idiotic and stupid US-Reps - including  Trump and his minions - if they would understand  Russia's demand or if they would go on  with the fighting.

 

I guess by 100% that they and nearly all Americans  would never give up the fight for their own state in order to have a peace agreement with Russia.

 

Now, compare this with the policy of the ORANGE man - also called POTUS - and you can understand Zelensky .

[Yagoda]

15 hours ago, JensenZ said:

It doesn't belong to Ukraine anymore because Russia took it from them, and there is no way to get it back.

Could it be said that "Ukraine" took it from Russia originally?

 

Prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union, was there ever a "Ukraine"?

 

The historical ignorance of the Ukrainian lovers crowd is best illustrated by the emojis I get whenever I direct them to a historical fact. 

 

PS. Putin is a scumbag and Russians suck. But Ukrainians are just Russians anyway. 

[Yagoda]

59 minutes ago, Dan O said:

No I'm not wrong. Like almost ever country on earth that has been created and changed numerous times both in borders or in name. Ukraine has been officially a country since 1991. It is made up of numerous religions, languages,  cultures and nationalities but its still Ukraine. Wake up its 2025 not 1950

Show us a map of historical Ukraine then? Tell us how the Crimea became part of Ukraine? Tell us, is the Zaporizhian Host Ukrainian? When was Odessa founded and by who? How did the present "Ukraine" become a country? What "nationalities" reside in the Ukraine and where?

 

Your historical ignorance is astounding. Go get your Emojinauts to respond, because you cannot answer any of the above question.

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, puck2 said:

Immagine the following situation:

 

Russia would like to win ALASKA (one of the states of the USA) by crossing the Bearing Sea with their army. They battled already ~3 years. To stop the war against the USA-state the Russians demand some parts of Alaska well known for its oil and mineral resources. If not given to the Russians the war between the USA and Russia would go on.

 

Now ask some idiotic and stupid US-Reps - including  Trump and his minions - if they would understand  Russia's demand or if they would go on  with the fighting.

 

I guess by 100% that they and nearly all Americans  would never give up the fight for their own state in order to have a peace agreement with Russia.

 

Now, compare this with the policy of the ORANGE man - also called POTUS - and you can understand Zelensky .

The situation you describe is too stupid to imagine and means nothing in the context of whats happening now.

[Rob Browder]

18 hours ago, BLMFem said:

So the "we're not gonna invade Ukraine" was not a lie, it was an omission???😂

They didn't plan to, or want to, at that time.  They literally offered every off-ramp to war possible, and each was torpedoed by the "West" and their Coup-Regime in Kiev. 

 

Some history on how we got here ...

[BLMFem]

6 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

They didn't plan to, or want to, at that time.  They literally offered every off-ramp to war possible, and each was torpedoed by the "West" and their Coup-Regime in Kiev. 

 

Some history on how we got here ...

 

 

Yep, that why they for months built up forces on the Ukrainian border while claiming that they would not invade. Are you even posting this drivel with a straight face or are you straight up trolling?

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Show us a map of historical Ukraine then? Tell us how the Crimea became part of Ukraine? Tell us, is the Zaporizhian Host Ukrainian? When was Odessa founded and by who? How did the present "Ukraine" become a country? What "nationalities" reside in the Ukraine and where?

 

Your historical ignorance is astounding. Go get your Emojinauts to respond, because you cannot answer any of the above question.

You're talk bs again try to act intelligent, hahahaha. If you read and comprehended what I wrote I already answered. Ukraine gained its independence in 1991 so dont be a knob, thats the facts. Using your logic then 95 % of the countries in the world dont have a correct name that matches their country. Are you really that thick or just playing stupid to troll.  The later I suspect . Your time is up on this as you have nothing credible to add and you are a true waste of space. 

[Yagoda]

Just now, Dan O said:

It has nothing to do historically so you talk bs again. If you read and comprehended what I wrote I already answered. Ukraine gained its independence in 1991 so dont be a knob, thats the facts. Using your logic then 95 % of the countries in the world dont have a correct name that matches there country. Are you really that thick or just playing stupid to troll.  That later I suspect  you time is up on this as you have nothing credible to add. 

Got it. Persist in your ignorance.

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. Persist in your ignorance.

Its obvious why you worship trump as you are just an ignorant clone trying to flex. 

[rough diamond]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. Persist in your ignorance.

You do all the time and your "date of boundary changes" argument is so laughable and meaningless.

 

Look at the USA's previous names etc.

[Yagoda]

27 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

You do all the time and your "date of boundary changes" argument is so laughable and meaningless.

 

Look at the USA's previous names etc.

You dont know the history of the area either do you

[Yagoda]

33 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Its obvious why you worship trump as you are just an ignorant clone trying to flex. 

Got it. Cloak your ignorance in flames.

[rough diamond]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

You dont know the history of the area either do you

The historical names and boundaries of what a country was previously called is meaningless wrt it's present day boundaries.

 

[BLMFem]

47 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

You do all the time and your "date of boundary changes" argument is so laughable and meaningless.

 

Look at the USA's previous names etc.

Quite right. When the Putin fanboys run out of ammo in their desperate attempts at defending the indefensible all kinds of utterly lame "arguments" are being thrown about, like how long has the country been existing in its present form.

So what's the cut-off date? Twenty years ,fifty years, a hundred?

So, so lame.

 

[connda]

Absolutely.  Don't budge a millimeter on the issue.  Stand by the European written "Terms Of Surrender" they have concocted for the Russia government to sign.  Show Vladimir Vladimirovich who the real boss is!  That's the spirit!  Demand Russia's unconditional surrender and nothing less Zee! 

This is gonna be fun to watch!  Sorta like the NATO designed thrust into Kursk which has Ivan hightailing it back to the Urals. Remember, Ivan is down to fighting with shovels and pitchforks and throwing rocks, and Russia is losing badly!!!    Slava 🇺🇦  

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, connda said:

Absolutely.  Don't budge a millimeter on the issue.  Stand by the European written "Terms Of Surrender" they have concocted for the Russia government to sign.  Show Vladimir Vladimirovich who the real boss is!  That's the spirit!  Demand Russia's unconditional surrender and nothing less Zee! 

This is gonna be fun to watch!  Sorta like the NATO designed thrust into Kursk which has Ivan hightailing it back to the Urals. Remember, Ivan is down to fighting with shovels and pitchforks and throwing rocks, and Russia is losing badly!!!    Slava 🇺🇦  

The Ukrainians are toast without us.

[BLMFem]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

Absolutely.  Don't budge a millimeter on the issue.  Stand by the European written "Terms Of Surrender" they have concocted for the Russia government to sign.  Show Vladimir Vladimirovich who the real boss is!  That's the spirit!  Demand Russia's unconditional surrender and nothing less Zee! 

This is gonna be fun to watch!  Sorta like the NATO designed thrust into Kursk which has Ivan hightailing it back to the Urals. Remember, Ivan is down to fighting with shovels and pitchforks and throwing rocks, and Russia is losing badly!!!    Slava 🇺🇦  

Read what the poster wrote and thought 'what is their point'. Then I remembered that I don't care.

[BLMFem]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The Ukrainians are toast without us.

Yes, so let's squeeze them for all they're worth! Kinda like seeing someone getting raped, and instead of helping you steal their wallet.

Because why not? MAGA!

[rough diamond]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The Ukrainians are toast without us.

They are burnt toast with you.

[connda]

17 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

The historical names and boundaries of what a country was previously called is meaningless wrt it's present day boundaries.

 

Which is why it still no problem to change regional borders.  Look as what was once Yugoslavia.  Look at the Greater Israel Project.  Israel will eventually encompass parts of Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Iraq plus Gaza and the West Bank in its entirety, and the entire West will cheer them on.  So modifying the borders of Ukraine - again - shouldn't pose much of a problem from a Geo-Political perspective.

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

You dont know the history of the area either do you

The history of that area or any other want  in question. You brought up history because you cant deal with a straight question and facts that Ukraine is a recognized country. So you try to change the narrative so you can tell yourself your a winner. Im sure someone can send you a participation trophy later, that might help. Hahaha so pathetic 

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

The history of that area or any other want  in question. You brought up history because you cant deal with a straight question and facts that Ukraine is a recognized country. So you try to change the narrative so you can tell yourself your a winner. Im sure someone can send you a participation trophy later, that might help. Hahaha so pathetic 

Translation: I mask my ignorance with invective.

[Dan O]

51 minutes ago, connda said:

Which is why it still no problem to change regional borders.  Look as what was once Yugoslavia.  Look at the Greater Israel Project.  Israel will eventually encompass parts of Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Iraq plus Gaza and the West Bank in its entirety, and the entire West will cheer them on.  So modifying the borders of Ukraine - again - shouldn't pose much of a problem from a Geo-Political perspective.

That wasn't the question but nice try. Try to keep up. It may not be a problem geo-politically but it is an issue for the citizens of Ukraine

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I mask my ignorance with invective.

Nope you cant mask your ignorance as you constantly reinforced it with each of your off base contrived posts. 

[rough diamond]

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I mask my ignorance with invective.

That is what you do to most posts that you cannot answer properly!

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

but it is an issue for the citizens of Ukraine

Like the ones in the Donbass and Crimea?

[Yagoda]

58 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

That is what you do to most posts that you cannot answer properly!

Oh Looky one of the stalkers making an appearance just to flame, isnt he cute? Dont forget your emoji

[rough diamond]

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh Looky one of the stalkers making an appearance just to flame, isnt he cute? Dont forget your emoji

I am amazed at people like you who are so deluded and probably paranoid that they think anyone would waste their time stalking them!

People following you out of amusement, to see what your next outlandish MAGA deluded statement will be is possible, but stalking people, especially you is a definite NO NO!!