ALL VACCINES WILL KILL YOU - The evidence is overwhelming

[Red Phoenix]

31 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I don't believe the available information warrants further investigation, particularly when considered against the sheer number of individuals being vaccinated.

Both VAERS and EudraVigilance provide a very strong signal.  That's a grave understatement as we are talking +2 million reports suspecting adverse effects of the jabs, and many studies have shown that there is even serious under-reporting. 

So if that MegaPhone signal doesn't warrant investigation, one could as well stop collecting data with both systems.

There are simply no excuses to start with these investigations, which actually should have started more than 3 years ago.  Note that independent researchers have already done investigations using the VAERS and EudraVigiliance data, and their conclusions are unanymous and call for an immediate halt of the Covid-19 innoculations,  

The biggest scandal being that the Covid-19 jabs are STILL recommended on the childhood vaccination schedule.

[richard_smith237]

53 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

59 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So who covers the costs ?? - that will always lead to some conspiracist thinking.

 

If the US government can find millions for 'transgender studies' in remote countries, they can find the money for this. I don't think that is a problem.

 

Wholly valid point - no argument from me there at all.

[richard_smith237]

39 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Both VAERS and EudraVigilance provide a very strong signal.  That's a grave understatement as we are talking +2 million reports suspecting adverse effects of the jabs, and many studies have shown that there is even serious under-reporting. 

So if that MegaPhone signal doesn't warrant investigation, one could as well stop collecting data with both systems.

There are simply no excuses to start with these investigations, which actually should have started more than 3 years ago.  Note that independent researchers have already done investigations using the VAERS and EudraVigiliance data, and their conclusions are unanymous and call for an immediate halt of the Covid-19 innoculations,  

The biggest scandal being that the Covid-19 jabs are STILL recommended on the childhood vaccination schedule.

 

Not quite... 

 

The claim that independent researchers have unanimously concluded, based on VAERS and EudraVigilance data, that COVID-19 vaccinations should be halted is not supported by the broader scientific consensus.

 

 

While some groups, such as the World Council for Health, have called for a halt to COVID-19 vaccinations based on their analyses of pharmacovigilance data, these views are not representative of the scientific community at large. The majority of independent researchers and public health authorities continue to support COVID-19 vaccination, emphasising that the benefits outweigh the risks.

For instance, the International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities (ICMRA) states that real-world data from billions of administered doses show that vaccines have a very good safety profile.

https://www.icmra.info/drupal/en/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

 

Thus, while there are isolated calls for halting COVID-19 vaccinations based on interpretations of VAERS and EudraVigilance data, these are not unanimous among independent researchers. The prevailing scientific consensus supports the continued use of COVID-19 vaccines, recognising their role in preventing severe illness and death.

 

That said - given the publicity, I don't see there being any harm in carrying out independent and impartial investigations.

 

But, if an independent and impartial investigation concluded that vaccines were safe and the Covid-19 vaccines were also safe, would you accept that, or simply double down and claim conspiracy ?

 

 

[rattlesnake]

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But, if an independent and impartial investigation concluded that vaccines were safe and the Covid-19 vaccines were also safe, would you accept that, or simply double down and claim conspiracy ?

 

As far as I am concerned, I would have no choice but to accept it, whether I liked it or not. The truth is the truth.

[MangoKorat]

19 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Didn't think you would answer Sir.

 

I've a feeling you get your info from CNN or the BBC. And any evidence you don't see on those two you think is 'crap'.

Well then, you are mistaken.  I do regularly watch BBC News and I am aware that most conspiracy theory types like to slag off the BBC because they don't like the fact that BBC news stories are verified. However, I have no access to CNN and neither would I want any - there is far too much USA related news in the UK already.

 

Believe it or not, I actually have a brain that has earned me 2 degrees, a first and a 2.1. I am also able to discern the facts that a lad in my class at school had calipers on his legs because he had contracted Polio early in his life - he was unvaccinated because his parents were living abroad when he was born.very young.  I am also able to discern that my kids and my grandchildren have not witnessed anyone at their schools who contracted Polio ans that 'Sir' is 100% down to the fact that almost all school age children in their age group were vaccinated against Polio. Much the same goes for Measles.

 

I would also point you in the direction of recent measles outbreaks in the USA but you'd probably say that I heard those on the BBC and they simply 'picked on' those stories. Doctors in the UK are highly educated people - usually taking 10 years to become a GP.  I trust in what they tell me just as I would expect them to trust my judgement in matters where I have expertise I am not an 'amchair expert'.

 

You didn't think I would reply because I told you I wouldn't.  Anti vaxxers are quite often also conspiracy theorists.  Be honest with yourself - I and other members here could spend hours providing with you with evidence as to the efficacy of vaccines and you would still say we are wrong.  I have a friend who is an anti vaxxer and interestingly,  he also slags off the BBC although he's never provided any evidence as to any bias or false stories that the BBC are guilty of.  As a parallel - Trump made claims that the 2020 election was 'stolen' - millions believed him it seems yet to date, he has failed to provide any evidence to support his claims.  I can tell you one thing though, should he provide any, the BBC would be one of the first to report it.

 

So I've given you my reasons and just as you are, I am entilted to form my own opinions but I do so based on evidence from experts - each to his own. I object to what I believe are ridiculous sories that claim all vaccines are dangerous when its such stories themselves that are actually dangerous.

 

I would suggest though, that you do a little research into life expectancy rates levels over the last 200 years and ask that you consider what part vaccines might have played in those levels more than doubling in developed countries, particularly in the UK.

 

What I'm not about to do is debate the matter further with you or anyone else - I've aleady explained why - I would quite simply be wasting my time because no amount of evidence will change your mind.

 

There will be no further posts from me on this matter.

[Stiddle Mump]

4 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

I actually have a brain that has earned me 2 degrees, a first and a 2.1.

That's great Sir. I like The Three Degrees.

 

 

''There will be no further posts from me on this matter.''

 

When will I see you again?

[rattlesnake]

11 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

ans that 'Sir' is 100% down to the fact that almost all school age children in their age group were vaccinated against Polio.

 

You should check out Suzanne Humphries' take on that, i.e. the pesticide connection.

 

Also, what is your view on vax-induced polio?

[SAFETY FIRST]

On 4/25/2025 at 6:59 AM, Red Phoenix said:

ALL VACCINES WILL KILL YOU - The evidence is overwhelming 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Gx3P64VJ/

 

 

[johng]

Here the link to the study reference to in the Facebook post

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49634-x

 

Right at the beginning  we have this little gem !!!

 

Introduction

SARS-CoV-2 vaccination prevented 14.4 million deaths from COVID-19 worldwide in the first year of the pandemic¹

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Gx3P64VJ/

 

 

 

The (not so) subtle art of inversion…

 

Here is the reality below (though some will argue with a straight face that this is Covid-related and that it would have been so much worse without the jabs).

 

Why heart attacks are striking young people

 

… It means that one in five heart attack patients are now younger than 40.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14631987/Cardiologist-truth-young-people-heart-attacks.html

 

[johng]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Here is the reality below (though some will argue with a straight face that this is Covid-related and that it would have been so much worse without the jabs).

 

Well there was the rather interesting  Whitehouse science spokesman  just recently saying that they had the technology to manipulate space and time

so perhaps they do actually have a time machine and can go back to compare ?

[rumak]

While i understand that there are layers and layers regarding the onset and continuation of the covid attack on the world...... 

And i follow (not so intently as some)  the ongoing debates that have been going on for many years as to the who's and why's ..

Here is a great example of why I don't excuse those who never questioned the narrative from the PTB .     How many of these blind followers have ever told you that they now see what what a lie it all is  .

 

[rumak]

Got a few minutes to kill ..... as usual in this "senior stage" of life .  I can't quite understand what anyone under 60 is even doing, spending time sitting at a keyboard.

"things were a lot different when I was younger, my son "  haha

 

From time to time a coincidence happens to me...( or a psycic moment , for those who believe in such things) .  I often wish i had saved a meme from those "safe and effective"  bombshells that were dropped on us.... and lo and behold today it shows up in my inbox ,  courtesy of Bliss and Blisters, Heather B .  

 

gotta run ...... big CIA alumnus meeting tonight 

[richard_smith237]

On 4/30/2025 at 4:48 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

The (not so) subtle art of inversion…

 

Here is the reality below (though some will argue with a straight face that this is Covid-related and that it would have been so much worse without the jabs).

 

Why heart attacks are striking young people

 

… It means that one in five heart attack patients are now younger than 40.

 

 

Yes... why not argue it straight faced - its easy to argue clear information straight faced: 

 

There are several factors contribute to the rise in heart attacks among younger adults:

 

 

Lifestyle Factors: Increased sedentary behavior, poor dietary habits, and reduced physical activity have been linked to higher cardiovascular risk in younger populations.

 

Substance Use: Higher rates of substance abuse, including marijuana and cocaine, have been observed in younger heart attack patients compared to older cohorts.

 

COVID-19 Impact: During the first two years of the pandemic, heart attacks in the 25-to-44 age group increased by 30% compared to expected numbers, even among those without traditional risk factors. This suggests that the body's inflammatory response to the virus plays a role.

 

 

Anti-vaxxers also argue that the Covid-19 vaccinations are at play, but they ignore other obvious information such as: 

 

 

People who suffer from influenza are at significantly greater risk of having a heart attack, particularly in the week following infection.

 

Influenza risk: A 2018 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that the risk of a heart attack is six times higher during the first seven days after a confirmed influenza infection.

 

Inflammation is the culprit: Flu triggers widespread inflammation in the body, which can destabilise atherosclerotic plaques in the arteries. This increases the chance of a thrombotic even (i.e. a blood clot forming) and causing a heart attack.

 

Dehydration: when unwell, results in thicker the blood, increasing the chance of clot formation and arterial blockage that can trigger a heart attack.

Also, dehydration lowers blood volume and pressure, making the heart work harder and reducing oxygen delivery to cardiac tissue.

 

 

The symptoms of both Influenza and Covid-19 are quite similar and both contribute to increase risk of a heart attack... 

 

 

 

 

 

[rumak]

well,  i choose to use this "trusted source" .......

[richard_smith237]

On 4/28/2025 at 6:56 PM, Red Phoenix said:

Both VAERS and EudraVigilance provide a very strong signal.  That's a grave understatement as we are talking +2 million reports suspecting adverse effects of the jabs, and many studies have shown that there is even serious under-reporting. 

So if that MegaPhone signal doesn't warrant investigation, one could as well stop collecting data with both systems.

There are simply no excuses to start with these investigations, which actually should have started more than 3 years ago.  Note that independent researchers have already done investigations using the VAERS and EudraVigiliance data, and their conclusions are unanymous and call for an immediate halt of the Covid-19 innoculations,  

The biggest scandal being that the Covid-19 jabs are STILL recommended on the childhood vaccination schedule.

 

Lets give context - because, pretty much every Anti-vaxx post YOU make, completely omits context: 

 

Total Covid-19 Vaccines administered in the USA: 676.7 million

Total VAERS reports: 900,522 adverse event reports - 0.133% of Covid-19 Vaccines Administered.

Total VAERS reports Considered Serious: 4.7% (42,366 reports) - 0.0062% of Covid-19 Vaccines Administered.

 

Thus: Your argument pins on your flawed comment that 0.0062% of Covid-19 vaccines administered is a 'Megaphone'...   When its hardly a whisper.

 

 

 

 

 

[faraday]

5 hours ago, rumak said:

Got a few minutes to kill ..... as usual in this "senior stage" of life .  I can't quite understand what anyone under 60 is even doing, spending time sitting at a keyboard.

"things were a lot different when I was younger, my son "  haha

 

From time to time a coincidence happens to me...( or a psycic moment , for those who believe in such things) .  I often wish i had saved a meme from those "safe and effective"  bombshells that were dropped on us.... and lo and behold today it shows up in my inbox ,  courtesy of Bliss and Blisters, Heather B .  

 

gotta run ...... big CIA alumnus meeting tonight 

I see you've been given a 'thumbs down'.

 

Wonder who that was...🤣

[rumak]

49 minutes ago, faraday said:

I see you've been given a 'thumbs down'.

 

Wonder who that was...🤣

 

I laughed at that too !   Seems ole rumak gets under the skin of some people ...lol

 

btw:  as per my previous post here ( half jokingly suggesting psychic powers) ... I also noticed that you sometimes check out some of these threads.   Wondered how you are doing ( been quite a while ) .  Hope all is well with you and yours. And then... you make a comment .    Psychic energy ??  

 

Did you hear about the psychic dwarf who escaped from prison? The call went out that there was a small medium at large

 

 

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

I see you've been given a 'thumbs down'.

 

Wonder who that was...🤣

Another snowflake who desperately checks their emojis. Why is it only ever the right leaning posters who get upset by the emojis? They seem very fragile.

[still kicking]

I just had 2 in the same arm 

[rattlesnake]

13 hours ago, still kicking said:

I just had 2 in the same arm 

 

Badass.

[rumak]

13 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Badass.

 

dedicated to the baaad ass vax trollers ........

 

[rattlesnake]

On 5/2/2025 at 11:44 AM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes... why not argue it straight faced - its easy to argue clear information straight faced: 

 

There are several factors contribute to the rise in heart attacks among younger adults:

 

 

Lifestyle Factors: Increased sedentary behavior, poor dietary habits, and reduced physical activity have been linked to higher cardiovascular risk in younger populations.

 

Substance Use: Higher rates of substance abuse, including marijuana and cocaine, have been observed in younger heart attack patients compared to older cohorts.

 

COVID-19 Impact: During the first two years of the pandemic, heart attacks in the 25-to-44 age group increased by 30% compared to expected numbers, even among those without traditional risk factors. This suggests that the body's inflammatory response to the virus plays a role.

 

 

Anti-vaxxers also argue that the Covid-19 vaccinations are at play, but they ignore other obvious information such as: 

 

 

People who suffer from influenza are at significantly greater risk of having a heart attack, particularly in the week following infection.

 

Influenza risk: A 2018 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that the risk of a heart attack is six times higher during the first seven days after a confirmed influenza infection.

 

Inflammation is the culprit: Flu triggers widespread inflammation in the body, which can destabilise atherosclerotic plaques in the arteries. This increases the chance of a thrombotic even (i.e. a blood clot forming) and causing a heart attack.

 

Dehydration: when unwell, results in thicker the blood, increasing the chance of clot formation and arterial blockage that can trigger a heart attack.

Also, dehydration lowers blood volume and pressure, making the heart work harder and reducing oxygen delivery to cardiac tissue.

 

 

The symptoms of both Influenza and Covid-19 are quite similar and both contribute to increase risk of a heart attack... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The notion that "inflammation is the culprit" is shared by many and most probably correct. Therefore, a transparent and independent assessment of the recent dramatic increase in heart attacks should take into account all potential inflammatory factors.

According to a September 2022 study (see below) by Cedars Sinai hospital in Los Angeles, heart attack deaths across all age groups have become more common in the U.S. since Covid, with a sharp increase in the 25-44 age bracket.

Dr. Susan Cheng, a cardiologist at Cedars Sinai and co-author of the study, rightly stated that “Young people are obviously not really supposed to die of heart attack. They’re not really supposed to have heart attacks at all.”

 

Covid infection is cited as one of the potential causes, which seems reasonable.

 

Excess risk for acute myocardial infarction mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187

 

However, according to another peer-reviewed study published this month in Immunity, Inflammation and Disease, young adults who received a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine showed elevated spike protein production a year or more after vaccination, which is significantly longer than the spike protein is said and expected to remain in the body.

 

Participants exhibited elevated levels of multiple proinflammatory cytokines – the proteins which help regulate the immune system – signifying a persistent immune response to the messenger RNA.

 

Altered Circulating Cytokine Profile Among mRNA-Vaccinated Young Adults: A Year-Long Follow-Up Study

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/iid3.70194

 

 

This ties into a flurry of alarming medical research, which culminated recently with a call for a moratorium on the Covid shots following another peer-reviewed study citing “serious safety concerns” and potential long-term risks (see below), adding to the list of scientists and organizations that have supported halting the mRNA vaccines – including (among many others) Florida’s Surgeon General, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Doctors for Covid Ethics, Americans for Health Freedom and the World Council for Health:

 

Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 modRNA Vaccines: Dangerous Genetic Mechanism of Action Released before Sufficient Preclinical Testing

https://jpands.org/vol29no4/oldfield.pdf

 

 

Now of course, if one chooses to refute and discredit the above, it is possible. Semantics, when used skillfully, can prove very effective in arguing just about any point, especially when one uses the reverse process of starting from the desired conclusion (e.g. "data shows vaccines are overwhelmingly safe") and building the argumentation from there.

 

But I will make a couple of observations:

 

1. The fact that data still keeps appearing on the nefarious effects of the vaccine is not the result of an unfortunate mishap, nor rooted in some quirky social media-driven trend, nor the endeavour of discredited scientists motivated by non-scientific goals. No, the answer is much more straightforward: the reason why this isn't going away, three years after the end of the Covid crisis, is because there is something there. It's as simple as that.

 

2. It is easier than one thinks to let oneself be subjected to ideological denialism, a mindset through which one is so convinced one is right that rather than simply looking for the truth and taking data at face value, one adopts an 'upstream reasoning' process and embraces the conclusion before looking at the information, which can lead to major gaps in the dialectic process.

I believe this could be what led you, in your above response, to go as far as citing dehydration as a possible reason for the spike in young cardiac deaths, without even leaving any space for the possibility that this could be at least partially caused by the vaccines.

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, rumak said:

 

dedicated to the baaad ass vax trollers ........

 

 

That immediately reminded me of Terminator 2.

 

"I need your clothes, your boots… and your vaccine passport."

 

 

[rumak]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

ideological denialism

 

is that the same as when a guy just won't believe that she is not really with him because he is so hansum and adorable ?   

 

anyway.... you really should be in Congress somewhere .   Speaking to an empty house , i'm afraid .😇 

 

btw:  i think threw should be through .  must be those Disney trans....laters.

 

[johng]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

That immediately reminded me of Terminator 2.

 

I was so disappointed with Arnold and his F your freedoms statement

however he did kind of apologise in his last Tv series FUBAR (which is quite entertaining)

Bon Jovi  also went totally mad during the Covidiocy   as did Tom Cruise.

 

Right said Fred  got it right.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, rumak said:

 

anyway.... you really should be in Congress somewhere .   Speaking to an empty house , i'm afraid .😇 

 

 

Shout-out to Andrew Bridgen, who will be remembered as the hero he is… hopefully in his lifetime.

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, johng said:

 

I was so disappointed with Arnold and his F your freedoms statement

however he did kind of apologise in his last Tv series FUBAR (which is quite entertaining)

Bon Jovi  also went totally mad during the Covidiocy   as did Tom Cruise.

 

Right said Fred  got it right.

 

 

 

I was disappointed too, by a lot of people and especially singers.

 

I lost respect for several artists in recent years because of their political stances, from Springsteen to Tenacious D (both of whom I don't listen to anymore, they really put me off with their vaxx whoring).

 

To me, the explanation is simple: ultimately, the upper class defends the privileges and interests of the upper class, and the fact that some of them are dressed, talk and behave like rebels does not change this elementary principle.

 

The rule, which I try to apply scrupulously, is to not listen to anything else but their music. In my view, those artists shouldn't be talking about politics anyway, what do they know about the real world?

 

PJ Harvey has my respect because she always refuses to answer political questions for that very reason. It's not her role, she says. I agree.