All Vaccines Will Kill You - The evidence is overwhelming

[johng]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Again your argument is "because humans didn't go extinct before vaccines, we therefore don't need vaccines". To Hell with the people who did die or will die of otherwise preventable diseases.

And because crocodiles are around and they didn't get vaccines then there's no need.

 

No that is not what I said...I said that life on earth has existed and flourished for millions of years before "the science"   go back to the graphic above that states

"I can live without your babble, you can't live without my science.

 

9 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

To Hell with the people who did die or will die of otherwise preventable diseases.

Maybe more die from preventable wars and entirely preventable poverty ..so that some mega corp has good profits this year ?

 

 

[josephbloggs]

6 minutes ago, johng said:

Maybe more die from preventable wars and entirely preventable poverty ..so that some mega corp has good profits this year ?

I actually agree with that, but it has nothing to do with your anti-vac conspiracy nonsense.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Again your argument is "because humans didn't go extinct before vaccines, we therefore don't need vaccines". To Hell with the people who did die or will die of otherwise preventable diseases.

And because crocodiles are around and they didn't get vaccines then there's no need.

So you're saying we shouldn't have vaccines because the dinosaurs in the Jurassic period didn't have them  (we've had between 5 and 20 mass extinctions so for- most of which lasted much longer than th current era - -  let me get this straight — because crocodiles didn’t need vaccines, humans don’t either? Seriously?

Crocodiles also don’t have electricity, medicine, or the internet — should we ditch all that too?

Humans didn’t survive this long just by “adapting.” We made fire. We built cities. We cured diseases. That’s science. It’s not some optional luxury — it’s the reason we’re not all dying from infections or drinking filthy water.

Stop pretending evolution alone got us here. Evolution gave us brains — science is how we used them to stop dying young. Comparing us to animals that haven’t changed in 200 million years isn’t clever. It’s lazy.

You want to live like a crocodile? Be my guest. The rest of us are trying to stay healthy with the tools we actually have — like vaccines.

 

I think you ought to think about extinctions and also human life expectancy - or do you think "to hell with them"? - actually on second thoughts don't bother I don't even know why I'm bothering with you.

[josephbloggs]

5 minutes ago, kwilco said:

So let me get this straight — because crocodiles didn’t need vaccines, humans don’t either? Seriously?

Crocodiles also don’t have electricity, medicine, or the internet — should we ditch all that too?

Humans didn’t survive this long just by “adapting.” We made fire. We built cities. We cured diseases. That’s science. It’s not some optional luxury — it’s the reason we’re not all dying from infections or drinking filthy water.

Stop pretending evolution alone got us here. Evolution gave us brains — science is how we used them to stop dying young. Comparing us to animals that haven’t changed in 200 million years isn’t clever. It’s lazy.

You want to live like a crocodile? Be my guest. The rest of us are trying to stay healthy with the tools we actually have — like vaccines.

 

I think you ought to think about extinctions and also human life expectancy - or do you think "to hell with them"?

Are you sure you meant to respond to me? I was making the same point.
 

[KhunLA]

Japan stopped mandatory baby vaccinations in 1994, though still recommend some common sense ones.

 

Infant mortality rate (per 1000) vs USA silly vaccine policy.

 

source: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

[rumak]

14 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

It is nice to see those with critical thinking skills and discernment question the nonsense.  The big health breakthroughs occur upon throwing the baby out with the bath water and looking in a totally different direction for the answers to health and vitality.  Do you have what it takes to handle the truth?

 

Yes !   Even to look closely at both sides, and all sides..... first .

[kwilco]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Japan stopped mandatory baby vaccinations in 1994, though still recommend some common sense ones.

 

Infant mortality rate (per 1000) vs USA silly vaccine policy.

 

source: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

This is misleading. Japan didn't stop vaccinating babies—they just changed some vaccines from "mandatory" to "recommended" in 1994, and uptake remains high. Japan still vaccinates against all the major diseases.

Also, infant mortality has many causes (prenatal care, maternal health, NICU access, etc.) and differences in reporting standards make country comparisons tricky. The U.S., for example, counts extremely premature births as live births—many other countries don’t, which skews the numbers.

Cherry-picking IMR and ignoring all this context doesn’t prove anything about vaccine safety.

It DOES show that America has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world.

 

PS - 

Japan’s vaccine uptake is comparable to or higher than the USA for most core childhood vaccines.

Japan’s vaccination program is publicly funded and vaccines are widely administered in clinics and health centers.

The idea that Japan “stopped vaccinating” is completely false—they just reclassified mandates, but recommendations and uptake remained strong.

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, kwilco said:

This is misleading. Japan didn't stop vaccinating babies—they just changed some vaccines from "mandatory" to "recommended" in 1994, and uptake remains high. Japan still vaccinates against all the major diseases.

Also, infant mortality has many causes (prenatal care, maternal health, NICU access, etc.) and differences in reporting standards make country comparisons tricky. The U.S., for example, counts extremely premature births as live births—many other countries don’t, which skews the numbers.

Cherry-picking IMR and ignoring all this context doesn’t prove anything about vaccine safety.

It DOES show that America has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world.

 

PS - 

Japan’s vaccine uptake is comparable to or higher than the USA for most core childhood vaccines.

Japan’s vaccination program is publicly funded and vaccines are widely administered in clinics and health centers.

The idea that Japan “stopped vaccinating” is completely false—they just reclassified mandates, but recommendations and uptake remained strong.

Not misleading at all, as that's exactly what I posted, same as you.

 

Only thing false is you implying, I may have implied they stopped vaccinated.  From my reply ...

 

... "Japan stopped mandatory baby vaccinations in 1994, though still recommend some common sense ones." ...

 

Ones I certainly wouldn't subject my kids to, would be MMR, Hep B & Polio, or any others at such an early age.   Give their immune system a year of so to develop naturally.  It doesn't need help ... IMHO

 

USA's policy of injecting 20-30 shots before age the of 2,  thing that they don't need (Hep & Polio) or don't work (MMR), is looney tunes.   As the mortality rates show. 2+X the risk of dying.

 

It should always be ... "My body, My choice"