What exactly is a "facist"?

[BangkokReady]

48 minutes ago, roo860 said:

56 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

That is the definition of a Trump supporter.

Judging by most of your posts concerning foreigners here in Thailand, it seems your a bit a Anti Foreigner Facist.

 

True.  I can see him blaming other foreigners for all of Thailand's woes, then sending them off to be purged.

[FolkGuitar]

8 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

It all becomes a little meaningless after a while, especially since the only reason it is used is as a kind of linguistic weapon, never in an honest or well meaning way.

 

Truer words were never spoken.

[Harrisfan]

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Agreed, but imo missing is that they feel themselves above the law. Or maybe better, they feel they are the law.

Like BLM and Antifa

[Gottfrid]

57 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Judging by most of your posts concerning foreigners here in Thailand, it seems your a bit a Anti Foreigner Facist.

Nah, now you are totally unfair. I only have problems with Brits, Chinese, Russians, French and Germans, and about 50% of US people as they belong to the mad dictator working for Putin.

[StandardIssue]

So, in case you didn't know it. Most all search Internet engines will give a good answer. Here is one which serves to define it pretty well.  (It is no accident many are calling Trumps political moves and action a push towards Facism with him in the leadership role) ChatGPT / Gemini AI answer:

 

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, a belief in a natural social hierarchy, and the subordination of individual interests for the perceived well-being of the nation.  

 

 

Here are some key characteristics of fascism:

 

Extreme Nationalism: Fascism emphasizes the supremacy of the nation, often coupled with a belief in national rebirth or greatness. This can manifest as a focus on a mythic past and the denigration of foreign influences.   

 

Authoritarianism: Fascist regimes are characterized by strong central control, often led by a single, charismatic leader with absolute power. Individual rights and freedoms are subordinate to the state.

 

Militarism: Fascism exalts military virtues, such as discipline, obedience, and strength. Military power is seen as essential for national strength and expansion.
Suppression of Opposition: Fascist regimes forcibly suppress political dissent and opposition. They often employ violence, intimidation, and censorship to maintain control.

 

Social Hierarchy: Fascism promotes a belief in natural social hierarchies and the rule of elites. Equality is often rejected in favor of a system where certain groups are considered superior.

 

Cult of the Leader: Fascist movements cultivate a cult of personality around their leader, who is often portrayed as an infallible figure capable of restoring the nation.  
Use of Propaganda and Symbolism: Fascist regimes heavily rely on propaganda to promote their ideology and create a sense of national unity. They often employ powerful symbols and imagery.  

 

Economic Control: While not strictly adhering to one economic model, fascist regimes typically exert strong control over the economy, often in partnership with powerful business interests, to serve national goals. Labor unions are often suppressed.  

 

Scapegoating: Fascist movements often identify scapegoats or enemies (e.g., minorities, foreigners, liberals, communists) to unify their followers and divert blame from the regime's failures.  

Fascism arose in the early 20th century, gaining prominence in Europe, most notably in Italy under Benito Mussolini and in Germany under Adolf Hitler. These regimes shared the core tenets of fascism but also had distinct characteristics. Italian Fascism, for example, emphasized the restoration of Roman greatness, while Nazism in Germany was characterized by extreme racial ideology and antisemitism.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, StandardIssue said:

So, in you didn't know it. Most all search engines will give you a good answer. Here is one which serves to define it pretty well IMHO.  (It is no accident many are calling Trumps political moves and action a push towards Facism with him in the leadership role)

 

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, a belief in a natural social hierarchy, and the subordination of individual interests for the perceived well-being of the nation.  

 

 

Here are some key characteristics of fascism:

 

Extreme Nationalism: Fascism emphasizes the supremacy of the nation, often coupled with a belief in national rebirth or greatness. This can manifest as a focus on a mythic past and the denigration of foreign influences.   

 

Authoritarianism: Fascist regimes are characterized by strong central control, often led by a single, charismatic leader with absolute power. Individual rights and freedoms are subordinate to the state.

 

Militarism: Fascism exalts military virtues, such as discipline, obedience, and strength. Military power is seen as essential for national strength and expansion.
Suppression of Opposition: Fascist regimes forcibly suppress political dissent and opposition. They often employ violence, intimidation, and censorship to maintain control.

 

Social Hierarchy: Fascism promotes a belief in natural social hierarchies and the rule of elites. Equality is often rejected in favor of a system where certain groups are considered superior.

 

Cult of the Leader: Fascist movements cultivate a cult of personality around their leader, who is often portrayed as an infallible figure capable of restoring the nation.  
Use of Propaganda and Symbolism: Fascist regimes heavily rely on propaganda to promote their ideology and create a sense of national unity. They often employ powerful symbols and imagery.  

 

Economic Control: While not strictly adhering to one economic model, fascist regimes typically exert strong control over the economy, often in partnership with powerful business interests, to serve national goals. Labor unions are often suppressed.  

 

Scapegoating: Fascist movements often identify scapegoats or enemies (e.g., minorities, foreigners, liberals, communists) to unify their followers and divert blame from the regime's failures.  

Fascism arose in the early 20th century, gaining prominence in Europe, most notably in Italy under Benito Mussolini and in Germany under Adolf Hitler. These regimes shared the core tenets of fascism but also had distinct characteristics. Italian Fascism, for example, emphasized the restoration of Roman greatness, while Nazism in Germany was characterized by extreme racial ideology and antisemitism.

Fascism is mostly left wing though. A socialist invented it.

[StandardIssue]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Fascism is mostly left wing though. A socialist invented it.

 

Absolutely wrong. Where in the hell did you get that idea? Fox News 🤣🤣

 

It was spearheaded by Musolini, find me any reliable source that describes Facism  as "left-wing"

 

 Respectfully, did you even take the time to read this very well established definition? Look it up in any dictionary LOL!!

 

[mfd101]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Fascism is mostly left wing though. A socialist invented it.

Yes. It's not for nothing that 'Nazism' stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party or 'national socialism' for short.  And Stalin's slogan was 'Socialism in one country!'.

 

See any link?

 

Apart from that I can't help thinking - as a non-Usofan - that Eco's list describes pretty well a VERY widespread culture infecting many many Usofans.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

That is the definition of a Trump supporter.

Its actually a description of Socialists

[StandardIssue]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its actually a description of Socialists

 

Yea Hitler and Mussolini were the original socialist's LOL!! 🤣

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, StandardIssue said:

 

Yea Hitler and Mussolini were the original socialist's LOL!! 🤣

Exactly. Good to see some folks have historical knowledge.

[StandardIssue]

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its actually a description of Socialists

Let's put this misunderstanding to rest. If you want to make any kind of meaninful contribution to the conversation DO NOT PARROT Fox News or News Max or any of this right-wing biased propaganda they spew.

 

While fascism had some initial connections to left-wing movements and incorporated certain collectivist ideas, it fundamentally diverged and evolved into a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist ideology. Fascism's core tenets, such as extreme nationalism, militarism, suppression of opposition, and belief in a natural social hierarchy, are distinctly different from the core principles of left-wing ideologies like socialism and communism, which typically emphasize internationalism, egalitarianism, and social justice.

[hotsun]

Whatever meaning fascism had before has been altered to just someone the left doesnt agree with

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, StandardIssue said:

 

Absolutely wrong. Where in the hell did you get that idea? Fox News 🤣🤣

 

It was spearheaded by Musolini, find me any reliable source that describes Facism  as "left-wing"

 

 Respectfully, did you even take the time to read this very well established definition? Look it up in any dictionary LOL!!

 

"Fascism is the name Benito Mussolini chose for his movement and later it was applied to similar movements elsewhere. Mussolini came from a socialist revolutionary family that named him after Benito Jaurez, the Mexican revolutionary. He grew up as a socialist and maintained his belief in the efficacy of socialism until the end of his life. He undoubtedly considered Fascism as just a variant, if not of socialism at least of collectivism, that was nationalistic. The internationalist socialists expelled him when he advocated for nationalistic reasons the entry of Italy into World War I."

 

https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/fascismnature.htm

 

Any competent historian understands the issue of collectivism as it relates to National Socialism and Facsism.

[Harrisfan]

7 minutes ago, StandardIssue said:

 

Yea Hitler and Mussolini were the original socialist's LOL!! 🤣

Yes both were. How dumb are you? 

[Cameroni]

The historian Ernst Nolte was the world's greatest authority on fascism:

 

"Fascism is anti-Marxism which seeks to destroy the enemy by the evolvement of a radically opposed and yet related ideology and by the use of almost identical and yet typically modified methods, always, however within the unyielding framework of national self-assertion and autonomy."

 

Fascism is a response movement against socialism. No socialism, no fascism.

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, StandardIssue said:

Let's put this misunderstanding to rest. If you want to make any kind of meaninful contribution to the conversation DO NOT PARROT Fox News or News Max or any of this right-wing biased propaganda they spew.

 

While fascism had some initial connections to left-wing movements and incorporated certain collectivist ideas, it fundamentally diverged and evolved into a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist ideology. Fascism's core tenets, such as extreme nationalism, militarism, suppression of opposition, and belief in a natural social hierarchy, are distinctly different from the core principles of left-wing ideologies like socialism and communism, which typically emphasize internationalism, egalitarianism, and social justice.

Your simplistic Wikpedia analysis hides the truth. Feel free to chime in above.

[amexpat]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

masoginist and Devine. 

I don't know those "words". 

 

[Harrisfan]

5 minutes ago, StandardIssue said:

Let's put this misunderstanding to rest. If you want to make any kind of meaninful contribution to the conversation DO NOT PARROT Fox News or News Max or any of this right-wing biased propaganda they spew. These people will say anything to kiss up to the soon to be ousted DT.

 

While fascism had some initial connections to left-wing movements and incorporated certain collectivist ideas, it fundamentally diverged and evolved into a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist ideology. Fascism's core tenets, such as extreme nationalism, militarism, suppression of opposition, and belief in a natural social hierarchy, are distinctly different from the core principles of left-wing ideologies like socialism and communism, which typically emphasize internationalism, egalitarianism, and social justice.

Communism is very similar. Just less individual ownership.

[Yagoda]

Just now, Cameroni said:

Fascism is a response movement against socialism. No socialism, no fascism.

Nationalism vis internationalism. 

[StandardIssue]

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yes both were. How dumb are you? 

Now you are only exposing your ignorance. If you can't ad anything really meaningful to the conversation, maybe just bow out ok?

[KhunLA]

One really does have to question the intelligence of anyone, using the labels of 'nazi, fascist, dictator' towards anyone in the USA.

 

Really does only show their ignorance and prejudice of certain people, and simply a projection of their mental illness.

 

You can't fix stupid 

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Nationalism vis internationalism. 

 

That's valid, fascism is nationalist and socialism is internationalist and knows no country.

 

As we are now about to enter an age of nationalism, as we exit globalism, it would be only natural that fascism makes a strong comeback.

[amexpat]

Trumpers - fascist, maybe, cult members definitely. 

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, StandardIssue said:

Now you are only exposing your ignorance. If you can't ad anything really meaningful to the conversation, maybe just bow out ok?

How dumb are you? Seriously?

 

On July 29, 1921, Adolf Hitler becomes the leader of the National Socialist German Workers’ (Nazi) Party. Under Hitler, the Nazi Party grew into a mass movement and ruled Germany as a totalitarian state from 1933 to 1945.

[StandardIssue]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

That's valid, fascism is nationalist and socialism is internationalist and knows no country.

 

As we are no about to enter an age of nationalism, as we exit globalism, it would be only natural that fascism makes a strong comeback.

 

Yes, exactly. This latest move toward protectionism as Trump has enacted with Tariffs and the like is a push towards Nationlism. It is most certainly not a move toward globalism and Internationalism a move toward behaving in harmony with the International Community.

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

One really does have to question the intelligence of anyone, using the labels of 'nazi, fascist, dictator' towards anyone in the USA.

 

Really does only show their ignorance and prejudice of certain people, and simply a projection of their mental illness.

 

You can't fix stupid 

 

It is absolutely ludicrous to use the label of fascist or nazi against someone like Elon Musk or Donald Trump, who are neither. However, they do oppose leftist socialism, so that is why they get tarred with the fascist and nazi labels, because the left's traditional enemy has been fascism and nazism, they reflectlively label all their enemies as fascists and nazis. Very lazy and unoriginal, intellectually bankrupt you could say.

 

But Trump's movements is neither fascist nor National socialist, far from it. It's more of an economic and nationalist movement with strong support for Israel. Quite different to fascism and Nazism, though also opposed to leftist socialism

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's valid, fascism is nationalist and socialism is internationalist and knows no country.

 

As we are now about to enter an age of nationalism, as we exit globalism, it would be only natural that fascism makes a strong comeback.

Only Marxian theory is Internationalist. The actual existing Socialist entities are Nationalistic.

[Harrisfan]

Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

[StandardIssue]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

How dumb are you? Seriously?

 

On July 29, 1921, Adolf Hitler becomes the leader of the National Socialist German Workers’ (Nazi) Party. Under Hitler, the Nazi Party grew into a mass movement and ruled Germany as a totalitarian state from 1933 to 1945.

Listen, no time to go back to school my friend. Just because a political party has "socialist" in the name doesn't make it a socialist party. What is much more significant and that which goes to define the Nazi party were their actions and policies. You really must do some homework other than watching your Youtube right-wing channels.