Report Abandoned Abroad: British Pensioner in Thailand Slams 'Immoral' Frozen Pensions Policy

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/28/2025 at 2:43 PM, Blueman1 said:

But IF You return to your Non Reciprocal Country ( Thailan ) It Goes back DOWN Again.....Happened to a M8 of Mine.....

No, it does not.  The pension payment will remain at the UK-received level and be frozen at that level if moving to Thailand, it would not be reduced.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/28/2025 at 2:47 PM, Photoguy21 said:

If he was in the Philippines he would get the increases, work that one out if you can because I cant make sense of it.

Reciprocal agreements, that's all you need to know.

[jori123]

4 hours ago, BenCrew said:

Or more seriously, fraud.

 

4 hours ago, Letseng said:

It is called cheating. 

Now if i was giving false information here i would feel like a dumbbell,think i would never quote another parrot like statement ever again               a brief look at benefit fraud    ...its there,easy to find.....id download it for you but on handheld    ,bit diff      ....now open it up...long list of punishable benefits,yes is long,like this post...under that list another shorter one of non punishable benefits,non punishabe...nothing would or could be done,free as a bird sorta,.......sp is there truly locked in as non sanctionable.....no cheating,no fraud    how does that sound ,go on tell

[jori123]

44 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

DWP requires proof that you are living in PI.  Pension would not be "permanently updated" in any way from the Thailand level except that annual increases would then apply, but not backdated.  If conning the DWP by those that DWP knows were living in Thailand and suddenly claim to be living in PI was that easy everyone would be doing it.

Ipc does,but then they are a little enclave up their own arses,jobs for the boys and girls,dwp as a whole could not give a toss,few loose individuals there at ipc would advise to steer away from punishing yourself          ipc itself wants to shut up shop,oap pensions paid into uk banks,up to the pensioner how he gets it delivered......after all its only policy ,nothing written in law,hot air carried out by ipc

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, jori123 said:

Thats ok then, a read of dwp regulations would put your finking mind at rest,sure it will.  They were on a means tested benefit ,do not care happy/unhappy  i dont believe u or them,just read dwp regulalations ,read them especially under benefit fraud.............also sp is a disqualifying benefit   cannot be touched     read them instead of off the top of yer 'ead

You are talking rubbish. 

The legislation that denies an uprated pension is covered in this "The Social Security Benefit (Persons Abroad) Regulations 1975"

It should be noted that there is no reference to a "state pension" as technically it doesn't exist. It is a term coined by the government to promote their agenda.

 

This is the applicable text, Sect 5, para 3, sub para (c)

Application of disqualification in respect of up-rating of benefit
5.—(1) Where regulations made in consequence of an order under section 124 of the Act(up-rating of benefits) provide for the application of this regulation to any additional benefit becoming payable by virtue of that order, the following provisions of this regulation shall, subject to regulation 12 below and the provisions of those regulations, have effect in relation to the entitlementto that benefit of persons absent from Great Britain.

(2) In this regulation—
(a) references to additional benefit of any description are to be construed as referring to additional benefit of that description which is, or but for this regulation would be, payableby virtue (either directly or indirectly) of the said order; and
(b) “the appointed date” means the date appointed for the coming into force of the said order.

(3) Where a person is not ordinarily resident in Great Britain immediately before the appointed date the provisions of these regulations (except this regulation) shall not, unless and until he becomes ordinarily resident in Great Britain, affect his disqualification while he is absent from Great Britain for receiving —
(a) in the case of a woman who immediately before the appointed date was a married woman and had not retired, any additional Category B retirement pension, if immediately before that date her husband had retired and was not ordinarily resident in Great Britain;
(b) in the case of a woman who immediately before the appointed date is a widow, any additional Category B retirement pension, if her husband had died before the appointed date;
(c) in any other case, any additional retirement pension of any category, if that person had retired or had otherwise become entitled to a retirement pension before the appointed date;
(d) any additional widow's benefit if her husband had retired or died be-before the appointed date;
(e) any additional child's special allowance if her former husband had died before the appointed date.

 

The legislation applies to everyone absent from the UK. The government however created exemptions to the legislation for certain  situations. The legality of that is another matter.

[jori123]

41 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You are talking rubbish. 

The legislation that denies an uprated pension is covered in this "The Social Security Benefit (Persons Abroad) Regulations 1975"

It should be noted that there is no reference to a "state pension" as technically it doesn't exist. It is a term coined by the government to promote their agenda.

 

This is the applicable text, Sect 5, para 3, sub para (c)

Application of disqualification in respect of up-rating of benefit
5.—(1) Where regulations made in consequence of an order under section 124 of the Act(up-rating of benefits) provide for the application of this regulation to any additional benefit becoming payable by virtue of that order, the following provisions of this regulation shall, subject to regulation 12 below and the provisions of those regulations, have effect in relation to the entitlementto that benefit of persons absent from Great Britain.

(2) In this regulation—
(a) references to additional benefit of any description are to be construed as referring to additional benefit of that description which is, or but for this regulation would be, payableby virtue (either directly or indirectly) of the said order; and
(b) “the appointed date” means the date appointed for the coming into force of the said order.

(3) Where a person is not ordinarily resident in Great Britain immediately before the appointed date the provisions of these regulations (except this regulation) shall not, unless and until he becomes ordinarily resident in Great Britain, affect his disqualification while he is absent from Great Britain for receiving —
(a) in the case of a woman who immediately before the appointed date was a married woman and had not retired, any additional Category B retirement pension, if immediately before that date her husband had retired and was not ordinarily resident in Great Britain;
(b) in the case of a woman who immediately before the appointed date is a widow, any additional Category B retirement pension, if her husband had died before the appointed date;
(c) in any other case, any additional retirement pension of any category, if that person had retired or had otherwise become entitled to a retirement pension before the appointed date;
(d) any additional widow's benefit if her husband had retired or died be-before the appointed date;
(e) any additional child's special allowance if her former husband had died before the appointed date.

 

The legislation applies to everyone absent from the UK. The government however created exemptions to the legislation for certain  situations. The legality of that is another matter.

The certain exemptions  would that include or over rule the already stated benefit fraud regulations as propagated by dwp or later identifying  certainly later  than 1975  that any unsanctioned     ,4 of them ,  benefit fraud inc oap could not be prosecuted but could be treated as a disqualifying punishment ie not punishable     

     Bottom line is has anyone anywhere ever been hauled up for receiving unfrozen in frozen land...nobody .      1975    ....would this be part of the govt attempt at making pi a reciprocating country as to social security benefits,   any way up to you,you have been frozen  that long it makes little difference to you one way or another       ps  yes receive serps grad pension too   plus aa as i wander there in th,back there next month with unfrozen oap

[biggles45]

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[Magictoad]

On 4/28/2025 at 11:08 AM, Patong2021 said:

 

No it is not. He is more likely to be being paid out more than what he paid in. It is an acknowledged fact that National Insurance contributions do not fully cover the cost of pension payouts for the majority of beneficiaries. It is not the UK taxpayer's fault that Thailand did not agree to a social security agreement with the UK. The EEA group of nations, the Philippines , much of the  larger Commonwealth Caribbean countries, Turkey and the USA  have an agreement.   He picked Thailand, a nation without an agreement.

 

There is no reciprocal  agreement with the UK. If there was, he could get his adjustment. It takes 2 to make an agreement and Thailand did not agree.

 

As a resident of Thailand, he is not paying any UK income tax is he? He pays his tax in Thailand, and most likely is at a lower tax rate than in the UK.  None of what he receives is  spent in the UK in  goods and services nor paid in taxes to the crown.

 

The pensioners in the UK are  paying taxes in the UK  on their income in excess of  £12,570 and they pay VAT and  many, pay council tax either in full or in part. The cost of living is higher for UK residents than it is for Thailand residents.  The UK pensioners spend their pensions in the UK  and many have a part  of their pensions clawed back by the UK government. 

 

Who says he pays his tax in Thailand?

Who expects the current government to be 'moral". The are not. They are disgusting in so many ways that they don't have a moral fibre in them.

They have been cheating the population and ripping them off for decades- both parties are equally corrupt.

The have both covered up the rape gangs scandal, because their members were involved.