Israel's Smotrich says victory means Gaza fully 'destroyed'

[stevenl]

"When asked to describe his idea of an Israeli victory, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said he envisions Gaza being "completely destroyed" and its residents displaced.".

 

He's an important cabinet minister. The aim is to leave Palestinians with nothing and annex the west bank. This and many other sources.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/israels-smotrich-says-victory-means-gaza-fully-destroyed/live-72452267

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

"When asked to describe his idea of an Israeli victory, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said he envisions Gaza being "completely destroyed" and its residents displaced.".

 

He's an important cabinet minister. The aim is to leave Palestinians with nothing and annex the west bank. This and many other sources.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/israels-smotrich-says-victory-means-gaza-fully-destroyed/live-72452267

 

How long will it be that he will be joining Netanyahu to a trip to the ICC?

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

"When asked to describe his idea of an Israeli victory, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said he envisions Gaza being "completely destroyed" and its residents displaced.".

 

He's an important cabinet minister. The aim is to leave Palestinians with nothing and annex the west bank. This and many other sources.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/israels-smotrich-says-victory-means-gaza-fully-destroyed/live-72452267

Oh so its not destroyed yet then? I thought all the reports months ago were claiming the majority was already, must be a bit left?

 

By the way, he's a far right finance minister and it was an opinion. I also note you missed out this:

civilians moved to a "humanitarian zone"

 

Regardless in your haste to condemn Israel again, I would wait for the official announcement coming soon.

 

 

US ‘in talks’ with Israel over taking control of Gaza
Discussions about American-led transitional government as President Trump prepares to visit several countries in Middle East

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/us-administration-in-gaza-israel-2vk2tnnpv

https://archive.ph/JnQ1K

 

[Jeff the Chef]

41 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh so its not destroyed yet then? I thought all the reports months ago were claiming the majority was already, must be a bit left?

 

By the way, he's a far right finance minister and it was an opinion. I also note you missed out this:

civilians moved to a "humanitarian zone"

 

Regardless in your haste to condemn Israel again, I would wait for the official announcement coming soon.

 

 

US ‘in talks’ with Israel over taking control of Gaza
Discussions about American-led transitional government as President Trump prepares to visit several countries in Middle East

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/us-administration-in-gaza-israel-2vk2tnnpv

https://archive.ph/JnQ1K

 

 

Good luck with that idea, Reuters had the same "exclusive" where it said, Netanyahu,  firmly rejects any role in Gaza for the Palestinian Authority, which it accuses of being anti-Israeli. Netanyahu also opposes Palestinian sovereignty.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-israel-discuss-possible-us-led-administration-gaza-sources-say-2025-05-07/

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Good luck with that idea, Reuters had the same "exclusive" where it said, Netanyahu,  firmly rejects any role in Gaza for the Palestinian Authority, which it accuses of being anti-Israeli. Netanyahu also opposes Palestinian sovereignty.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-israel-discuss-possible-us-led-administration-gaza-sources-say-2025-05-07/

Good luck? 

 

If you had bothered to read the link the article is taken from Reuters...........

 

"The discussions, which according to the Reuters news agency are at a preliminary stage, would involve the United States leading a transitional government until safety and security in the Palestinian territory had been established."

[Jeff the Chef]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Good luck? 

 

If you had bothered to read the link the article is taken from Reuters...........

 

"The discussions, which according to the Reuters news agency are at a preliminary stage, would involve the United States leading a transitional government until safety and security in the Palestinian territory had been established."

 

Sorry, I meant to mention your link wouldn't load.

 

As for the "Good luck", don't the Palestinians get a say in any of these "preliminary talks" after all it is their State that is being discussed?

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Sorry, I meant to mention your link wouldn't load.

 

As for the "Good luck", don't the Palestinians get a say in any of these "preliminary talks" after all it is their State that is being discussed?

Yes it does stop lying and its two links not one............

 

who claimed the PA have not been consulted?

 

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/us-administration-in-gaza-israel-2vk2tnnpv

 

https://archive.ph/JnQ1K (paywall free)

 

US President Donald Trump says “there’s a lot of talk going on about Gaza right now, so you’ll be knowing probably in the next 24 hours.”

Trump makes the comments to reporters in the Oval Office in response to a question he appears to have only partially heard about whether he’s planning on introducing a new hostage deal proposal before he heads to the region next week.

The State Department said yesterday that there would likely be an announcement later this week pertaining the resumption of aid into Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-theres-a-lot-of-talk-about-gaza-youll-know-more-in-the-next-24-hours/

 

Trump says possible news on Gaza ceasefire in '24 hours'

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/trump-news-gaza-ceasefire-24-hours-121571590

 

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

40 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes it does stop lying and its two links not one............

 

who claimed the PA have not been consulted?

 

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/us-administration-in-gaza-israel-2vk2tnnpv

 

https://archive.ph/JnQ1K (paywall free)

 

US President Donald Trump says “there’s a lot of talk going on about Gaza right now, so you’ll be knowing probably in the next 24 hours.”

Trump makes the comments to reporters in the Oval Office in response to a question he appears to have only partially heard about whether he’s planning on introducing a new hostage deal proposal before he heads to the region next week.

The State Department said yesterday that there would likely be an announcement later this week pertaining the resumption of aid into Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-theres-a-lot-of-talk-about-gaza-youll-know-more-in-the-next-24-hours/

 

Trump says possible news on Gaza ceasefire in '24 hours'

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/trump-news-gaza-ceasefire-24-hours-121571590

 

 

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes it does stop lying and its two links not one............

 

who claimed the PA have not been consulted?

 

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/us-administration-in-gaza-israel-2vk2tnnpv

 

https://archive.ph/JnQ1K (paywall free)

 

US President Donald Trump says “there’s a lot of talk going on about Gaza right now, so you’ll be knowing probably in the next 24 hours.”

Trump makes the comments to reporters in the Oval Office in response to a question he appears to have only partially heard about whether he’s planning on introducing a new hostage deal proposal before he heads to the region next week.

The State Department said yesterday that there would likely be an announcement later this week pertaining the resumption of aid into Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-theres-a-lot-of-talk-about-gaza-youll-know-more-in-the-next-24-hours/

 

Trump says possible news on Gaza ceasefire in '24 hours'

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/trump-news-gaza-ceasefire-24-hours-121571590

 

 

 

 

 

Apologies, managed to open your link but then there are 2 other links that go back to the firewall, one about the "promised a big announcement" and the other "What will it take to bring peace to Gaza?"  so I'll stick with the Reuters article, thanks.

 

Whatever Trump and Netanyahu decide they'd like to happen with Gaza its not solely up to them is it?

 

I can't see any of the Gazan Palestinians believing a word either of them has to say after what has happened in the last 20 months, or what is going to happen in the next couple of months.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Apologies, managed to open your link but then there are 2 other links that go back to the firewall, one about the "promised a big announcement" and the other "What will it take to bring peace to Gaza?"  so I'll stick with the Reuters article, thanks.

 

Whatever Trump and Netanyahu decide they'd like to happen with Gaza its not solely up to them is it?

 

I can't see any of the Gazan Palestinians believing a word either of them has to say after what has happened in the last 20 months, or what is going to happen in the next couple of months.

All links are correct links, enough of your off topic deflection

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

All links are correct links, enough of your off topic deflection

 

No deflection intended.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

No deflection intended.

More off topic......😶

[xylophone]

Way back on AN when a topic on Israel/Gaza was started, I posted that perhaps the only solution for Israel would be to raze Gaza to the ground.........a few folks did not like that post, but perhaps it will now come to fruition??

[Magictoad]

That will be a blessing for all parties including the palestinians  whoever they are. It's the only way to eliminate hamas & hezbollah 

[Magictoad]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Sorry, I meant to mention your link wouldn't load.

 

As for the "Good luck", don't the Palestinians get a say in any of these "preliminary talks" after all it is their State that is being discussed?

No

[Magictoad]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Sorry, I meant to mention your link wouldn't load.

 

As for the "Good luck", don't the Palestinians get a say in any of these "preliminary talks" after all it is their State that is being discussed?

They have had their say for decades.

[TimBKK]

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

"When asked to describe his idea of an Israeli victory, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said he envisions Gaza being "completely destroyed" and its residents displaced.".

Flatten the earth, starve them to death and then scatter them to the wind.  This is the Israeli way.  

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, TimBKK said:

Flatten the earth, starve them to death and then scatter them to the wind.  This is the Israeli way.  

 

  Scatter the corpses to the wind ?

[coolcarer]

25 minutes ago, TimBKK said:

Flatten the earth, starve them to death and then scatter them to the wind.  This is the Israeli way.  

Na, Hamas should be buried in their tunnels they dug themselves. Scattering them in the wind is far to good for them

[bannork]

Irish Prime Minister Martin has condemned what he described as Israel’s weaponization of basic life necessities, referring to the country’s restriction on food and aid from entering the strip for almost two months. 

He said, ''I went to see, first hand, the impact of the horrific Hamas attack on Israel. I've condemned it from the outset when I went there to show empathy to people who have been attacked,” he said, adding that the hostages should have been released a long time ago.

He said however that the war waged in response has “lost any moral compass in terms of its unacceptable impact on the civilian population and on children, and in Ireland there is this sadness now and horror and a sense of helplessness at what we see on our TV screens: young children in stretchers and hospitals, very badly injured, many families being wiped out, kids being orphaned. From a humanity point of view, it's beyond comprehension.”

Irish PM says Gaza is 'hell on earth'

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Irish Prime Minister Martin has condemned what he described as Israel’s weaponization of basic life necessities, referring to the country’s restriction on food and aid from entering the strip for almost two months. 

He said, ''I went to see, first hand, the impact of the horrific Hamas attack on Israel. I've condemned it from the outset when I went there to show empathy to people who have been attacked,” he said, adding that the hostages should have been released a long time ago.

He said however that the war waged in response has “lost any moral compass in terms of its unacceptable impact on the civilian population and on children, and in Ireland there is this sadness now and horror and a sense of helplessness at what we see on our TV screens: young children in stretchers and hospitals, very badly injured, many families being wiped out, kids being orphaned. From a humanity point of view, it's beyond comprehension.”

Irish PM says Gaza is 'hell on earth'

 

Whats that little leprechauns opinion have to do with this topic? Israel had to close its embassy in Ireland due to its extreme stance.

 

Israel envoy to Dublin explains ‘brave and correct’ embassy closure

Just a month after taking office, she quickly realized that the Irish conduct was anti-Israel. “In the past year, we’ve seen how the Irish have crossed every boundary of extremism, to the point of obsession against us. When you ask the International Court of Justice to change the definition of ‘genocide’ to fit what they want us to be guilty of, which is what the Irish did, then it’s already an obsession.”

https://www.jns.org/israel-envoy-to-dublin-explains-unusual-embassy-move/

 

Ireland’s President has shamed his nation It is now seen as the most anti-Semitic country in the EU

“What is Ireland’s problem with Jews?” English friends ask. 
I used to believe critics were exaggerating somewhat, but these days there’s no denying that the low-level antisemitism I remember from my Irish youth has blossomed latterly into shocking Jew-hatred.  
Ireland used to have the old “Jews-crucified-Jesus” prejudice along with suspicion of unfamiliar religions, but this days, poisoned politically by the extreme left, who love to identify with victims, it has metamorphosed into something much worse.

 https://archive.ph/WbTzv

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/28/ireland-anti-semitism-jew-hatred-president/

 

[Jim Blue]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whats that little leprechauns opinion have to do with this topic? I

 

 

 

 

I thought the Irish knew a thing or two about conflict and how itgets resolved.?

[Somjot]

18 hours ago, bannork said:

Irish Prime Minister Martin has condemned what he described as Israel’s weaponization of basic life necessities, referring to the country’s restriction on food and aid from entering the strip for almost two months. 

He said, ''I went to see, first hand, the impact of the horrific Hamas attack on Israel. I've condemned it from the outset when I went there to show empathy to people who have been attacked,” he said, adding that the hostages should have been released a long time ago.

He said however that the war waged in response has “lost any moral compass in terms of its unacceptable impact on the civilian population and on children, and in Ireland there is this sadness now and horror and a sense of helplessness at what we see on our TV screens: young children in stretchers and hospitals, very badly injured, many families being wiped out, kids being orphaned. From a humanity point of view, it's beyond comprehension.”

Irish PM says Gaza is 'hell on earth'

 

 

16 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whats that little leprechauns opinion have to do with this topic? Israel had to close its embassy in Ireland due to its extreme stance.

 

Ireland’s President has shamed his nation It is now seen as the most anti-Semitic country in the EU

“What is Ireland’s problem with Jews?” English friends ask. 
I used to believe critics were exaggerating somewhat, but these days there’s no denying that the low-level antisemitism I remember from my Irish youth has blossomed latterly into shocking Jew-hatred.  
Ireland used to have the old “Jews-crucified-Jesus” prejudice along with suspicion of unfamiliar religions, but this days, poisoned politically by the extreme left, who love to identify with victims, it has metamorphosed into something much worse.

 https://archive.ph/WbTzv

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/28/ireland-anti-semitism-jew-hatred-president/

 

 

As @bannork posted, PM Martin states that he has condemned the horrific Hamas attack on Israel and demanded the release of the hostages, but he also calls the restriction on food and aid from entering Gaza for almost two months and the war waged by Israel on Gaza and its impact on the civilian population especially on the children as a loss of moral compass and beyond comprehension.

 

The article you cited as an answer to the post of @bannork is a perfect example how any kind of discussions about and criticism of Israel is handled today (although that article criticised president Michael D Higgins in most parts and not Michael Martin, who is described as "one of the most decent of Irish politicians" and not as a leprechaun.)

 

Despite the fact that Martin solely criticised the warfare of Israel, not the whole country, now suddenly Ireland is framed as the most antisemitic country in EU.

 

Even the US Department of State defines antisemitism as „a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”“

 

and clearly states:

 

"However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic"

 

https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/

 

Just because the PM criticises the massacring and starving of tens of thousands of Palestinian children, allegations like antisemitic or Jew hater are made assuming the Irish have some kind of “Jews crucified Jesus” prejudice.

 

This is such an insult to the reader`s intelligence. It's pathetic and ridiculous. One guy criticises the ongoing mass murder of children and then someone says, “Oh, that is only because he thinks the murderers killed Jesus some 2000 years ago”.

 

Really? You want us to believe that is the reason?

 

And back to that guy, whose name sounds like something that came out of my nose, Smotrich, let's not forget that he supported the starving of the people in Gaza

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/08/israel-finance-minister-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-starve-2m-people-comments

 

and when those reservists were detained, because they had gang raped, sodomized and heavily injured a Palestinian prisoner, Smotrich wrote on X “I’m calling on the chief military prosecutor, get your hands off the reservists.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/29/israel-gaza-prison-sde-teiman/

 

My personal opinion on the whole Gaza conflict is:

 

if you condemn, same as me, the horrific attack and mass murder of the Israeli civilians on October 7 in 2023, then you must, same as me, condemn the ongoing attacks and mass murder of the Palestinian civilians since October 7 in 2023, maybe even more so, when looking at the numbers of those killed.

 

However if you only condemn the attack on Israeli civilians but condone or even support the ongoing attack on the civilians in Gaza, the killing of more than 15,000 children, then you value Israeli life over Palestinian, which makes you a textbook racist.

[frank83628]

That is their whole goal under the psycho bibi, but you all champion the bombing from the safety of your keyboards, do you know about the oil & gas they found off gaza? And the new canal they want to build.... no, you MSM sheep don't know  anything about it do you.🐑🐑🐑🐑