International Victory Day by WW2 Allies Over The Defeat Axis Powers in Europe

[Mike_Hunt]

13 minutes ago, MicroB said:

Pointless destruction, but this how this old WW2 vet spent VE day

 

 

 

 

 

That was dumb. 

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

That part of Stalin killing a lot of Russians goes double for Ukraine he starved millions of them to death before ww2 started that’s why many greeted the Germans as liberators….they found out differently soon.lets not allow putin to repeat the same mistake.

 

When I was much younger, there was this old boy down at the Football Supporters Club. He use to clear the glasses or something. Gregory was an old Ukrainian. My god, did he hate the Russians. I have a feeling he might have batted for the Germans at one point on the basis of My enemy's enemy is my friend.

 

An interesting speech suggesting that the entire objective of Germany in WW2 was basically Ukraine:

 

https://www.eurozine.com/germans-must-remember-the-truth-about-ukraine-for-their-own-sake/

 

 

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It’s very important that when we speak about Ukraine, we’re not only speaking about nationalists. Nationalists are relatively a small part of Ukrainian history, they’re a relatively small part of the Ukrainian present.

When we think about the German occupation of Ukraine, we have to remember some very simple banal points that often escape our attention. Like for example, there was no particular correlation between nationality and collaboration. Russians collaborated, Crimean Tatars collaborated, Belarusians collaborated. Everyone collaborated; there is no, as far as we can tell, correlation between ethnicity and collaboration, with the partial exception of the Volkesdeutsche, of course. But in general, there is no correlation between ethnicity and collaboration.

Something else to remember: the majority, probably the vast majority, of people who collaborated with the German occupation were not politically motivated. They were collaborating with an occupation that was there, and an occupation which is a German historical responsibility. Something that is never said, because it’s inconvenient for precisely everyone, is that more Ukrainian communists collaborated with the Germans than did Ukrainian nationalists. This doesn’t seem to make sense to us, and so no one ever says it, but it is precisely the case. Vastly more members of the Communist Party collaborated with the German occupation than did Ukrainian nationalists.

And for that matter, very many of the people who collaborated with the German occupation had collaborated with the Soviet policies in the 1930s. These points, although they’re very basic, and they’re completely obvious, if you think about them, are typical of Ukrainian history. They’re typical of the fact that Ukraine was ruled first as part of the Soviet Union and then under an incredibly bloody and devastating German occupation. When we think about the way that occupation ended, we often overlook certain basic points, like this:

Incomparably more Ukrainians died fighting against the Wehrmacht than fighting on the side of the Wehrmacht, which is not something that one can say about every country that’s considered an ally.

 

 

 

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Now, more Ukrainians fought and died on the Allied side than French, British or Americans. More Ukrainians fought and died on the Allied side than French, British and Americans put together. Why do we not see this? Because we forget that Ukrainians were fighting in the Red Army. We confuse the Red Army with the Russian Army, which it most definitely was not.

The Red Army was the army of the Soviet Union, in which Ukrainians, because of the geography of the war were substantially over-represented.

 

 

[simple1]

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

None of the soldiers there were actually Russians.

Also don't forget the rapes.

 

So what was the ethnic makeup of the Soviet armies assaulting Berlin?

[Tug]

Any body notice putin and XI chortling and hammering it up during the festivities???im guessing it’s more than the victory over the axis……meanwhile we have the clown administration +the clown cabinet……interesting times indeed….