Chainsaws and Silence: Two Men Convicted for Felling the Sycamore Gap Tree

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

How did they determine a value exceeding 620,000 damage to the tree?

Doubt any piece of wood is worth that much.

In 2023 they levied a fine of $43,000 plus a 6 month jail sentence for a big whitetail buck poached in Ohio. Because some rich people can pay enormous amounts for a trophy buck, they put this kind of price tag on it. Others have been fined $200 for another buck poached that wasn't near that big of a trophy. Courts and the justice system can be more crooked than regular people.

[fredwiggy]

That one person is disturbed enough to just cut down a historic tree for no valid reason is weird enough. That he had a friend willing to help him is off the charts.

[RayC]

30 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Who is saying that it is any kind of defence?

 

You wrote, "Some people might claim that vandalism and destruction of property is in some way a creative expression of something."

 

Sounds a lot a way of excusing the act; in other words, a defence.

[pacovl46]

Why the f.ck would you cut down a tree like that for no reason?! 

 

Sentence them to hard physical labor for a pound an hour until the damages are recuperated! 
 

 

[chickenslegs]

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

How did they determine a value exceeding 620,000 damage to the tree?

Doubt any piece of wood is worth that much.

Apparently, they use the CAVAT formula which calculates the value of the tree itself, plus its value as a public asset, and other things.

https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/CAVAT-Full-Method-a-lowdown-on-the-refresh

[BangkokReady]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

You wrote, "Some people might claim that vandalism and destruction of property is in some way a creative expression of something."

 

Sounds a lot a way of excusing the act; in other words, a defence.

 

Not even slightly.  As I said, it's simply an interesting situation.  If you read the whole comment, and have a think about it, you'll see that I'm not doing anything like what you're trying to claim.

[emptypockets]

8 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

Apparently, they use the CAVAT formula which calculates the value of the tree itself, plus its value as a public asset, and other things.

https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/CAVAT-Full-Method-a-lowdown-on-the-refresh

Thank you

[BangkokReady]

39 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That one person is disturbed enough to just cut down a historic tree for no valid reason is weird enough. That he had a friend willing to help him is off the charts.

 

Outsiders.  They want to do something that they know will really mess with normal people and they obviously assumed that no one would find out it was them.

 

If people had the same political fanaticism in the UK that you see in the US, these guys would probably be in Antifa or something.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Not even slightly.  As I said, it's simply an interesting situation.  If you read the whole comment, and have a think about it, you'll see that I'm not doing anything like what you're trying to claim.

 

If you are not suggesting that the possibility that this tree caused offence to these individuals' sense of aesthetic beauty and, therefore, should in some way be considered as mitigating circumstances, then what is your point? That we all have a subjective concept of beauty? Yes, agreed. And?

[BLMFem]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Outsiders.  They want to do something that they know will really mess with normal people and they obviously assumed that no one would find out it was them.

 

If people had the same political fanaticism in the UK that you see in the US, these guys would probably be in Antifa or something.

Yeah, morons cutting down trees would certainly be left wing!😂

[BangkokReady]

40 minutes ago, RayC said:

That we all have a subjective concept of beauty? Yes, agreed. And?

 

If you don't like what I write, or don't find it relevant, you can just ignore it.  If you want to try to make out I wrote something I didn't, just so you can disagree, equally, feel free to ignore.

[BangkokReady]

12 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yeah, morons cutting down trees would certainly be left wing!😂

 

Jobless outsiders, mad at the world, looking for any excuse to destroy something.  Does it get more left-wing than that?

[BexMan]

Not the sharpist tools in the box. First to cut down such an iconic tree. Then to retain phone footage  of the event with so much media coverage.

[BLMFem]

15 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Jobless outsiders, mad at the world, looking for any excuse to destroy something.  Does it get more left-wing than that?

White, male, poorly educated men. It reeks of leftism!!😆

[RayC]

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

If you don't like what I write, or don't find it relevant, you can just ignore it.  If you want to try to make out I wrote something I didn't, just so you can disagree, equally, feel free to ignore.

 

I am not making out you wrote something which you didn't. Your words: "Some people might claim that vandalism and destruction of property is in some way a creative expression of something.", and that's what I commented on: Imo it's not unreasonable to think that on a thread about a court case concerned with the felling of a tree that the posts might be related to that subject.

 

Anyway, enjoy your weekend.

[Sir Dude]

Both are a pair of morons that should be jailed long enough to think about their gay entitlement and mental issues... 10 years should be about right.

[retayl]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Didn't see you wringing hands or cluthcing pearls for Brits on the Huw Edwards thread...

 

Kids? Trees? 

 

 

Pathetic whataboutery, just STFU.

[bendejo]

Here again I think a week in one of these things would "get their minds right."

 

Bear in mind the public is permitted throw all sorts of things at them.   But then they can be washed down.

 

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

9 hours ago, emptypockets said:

How did they determine a value exceeding 620,000 damage to the tree?

Doubt any piece of wood is worth that much.

£6200,000 was the calculated cost using a valuation system known as Capital Asset Value for Amenity Trees or CAVAT.

 

It's basically the estimated cost of planting, tending and growing a replacement tree in the same location until it's the same size as the original tree. Considering that it would take over a hundred years to do so, £620,000 might be a conservative estimate.

[Lancelot01]

20 hours ago, Tug said:

How sad I’m sorry for you Brit’s that absolutely sucks it’s times like this I think they should bring back the stocks.a bit of public shaming seems appropriate.again sorry 😞 

Looks like it could be up to 10 years in prison. Foolish behaviour. 

[Lancelot01]

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Is that an expensive designer haircut from a hairdressers in a shopping mall ?

Finished off with a chainsaw no doubt. 

[Lancelot01]

10 hours ago, emptypockets said:

The OP said more than 1000 to the wall and 620,000 to the tree.

I could understand if it was the other way around. Unless that are counting the economic value of the tree such tourism value etc.

Especially as the wall was built in Roman times.