No one is above the law even New Jersey politicians.

[ThreeCardMonte]

On 5/10/2025 at 4:58 PM, MicroB said:

Are the cuts such that they can't afford uniforms, and can only employ fat dudes who can't pass a BFT?

 

 

Book em, Danno!

 

 

[ThreeCardMonte]

3 hours ago, MicroB said:

Remember there were initially invited into the prison, then asked to leave which they did, going into the public carpark, before ICE stormed in...
Now ICE etc are trying to claim they were assaulted by the congressmen, one of which is 80. They've threatened them with arrest.

"The notion that I or any of my colleagues ‘body slammed’ armed federal officers is absurd. DHS is lying because they know their agents were out of line.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/dhs...

Homeland Security Dept. accuses lawmakers of ‘storming’ an ICE facility despite oversight laws saying they could be there

Three members of Congress from New Jersey, along with protesters, faced off with Department of Homeland Security officers on Friday after visiting a local ICE detention facility. The incident started as officers attempted to arrest the mayor of Newark, Ras Baraka, after he tried to join the lawmakers inside the facility.

As tensions grew, so did the physicality of the situation, with officers and lawmakers pushing and shouting at one another before Baraka, a Democrat, was ultimately detained for several hours. He was released Friday evening.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/10/politics/dhs-la...

 

 

2 years before Congresswoman Taylor-Greene pointedly used her right as an elected official to visit and commisserate with violent criminals in prison

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/27/marjorie-taylor-greene-led-delegation-to-visit-capitol-attack-defendants-in-jail

 

 

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/marjorie-taylor-greene-matt-gaetz-press-conference-after-trying-to-see-january-6-prisoners

 

 

 

My late father was a fan of "lock 'em up", and trusting the system. Then he volunteered, when retired, to be an official visitor to police stations. Members of the public can go in, and see the cells, speak to the inmates. He was shocked. Most of the inmates were kids. They had done wrong, but he became sympathetic when he saw them squatting in cells with no mattress, given a piss soaked blanket by the custody sergeant, denied a hot meal. He was ex-Army, and knew the police were being delinquent, and he ripped them a new one, telling them to do their job. After that first visit, even though he was an ex-smoker, he would take a pack of ciggies in. He wanted these lads to realise the error or their ways, but they were entitled to be treated humanely.

 

So I have sympathies with both the Republican congressmen who wanted to speak to 6th January Insurgents as well as the Democrat politicians wanting to meet those in ICE custody. In both cases, there are federal jobsworths who probably are trying to cover things up, (not doing their job basically). To block a mayor seems semantics. As the former judge said, normally facility officials are overjoyed when politicians want to visit them.

 

At the 4:00 minute mark you will see Democratic Congresswoman in red acting like a bull in a china shop.

 

Professional conduct by are Democrat elected officials.

 

And they wonder why the party is finished.

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Incorrect.

 

The majority being held at the facility are serious offenders.  

If given a NTA (Notice to Appear) by DHS awaiting court with an IJ (Immigration Judge) and released guess what happens???

 

Answer: THEY DONT APPEAR.

 

While I can’t copy the link I have provided some information readily available on several who are detained at the Newark facility.

 

If you think these thugs will return to the IJ if released on an NTA, you’re clearly mistaken.

 

 

Again, you're just showing your ignorance. No matter how well-justified their detention might be, it's still not a part of due process.

[ThreeCardMonte]

42 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Again, you're just showing your ignorance. No matter how well-justified their detention might be, it's still not a part of due process.

Quite the contrary.  You are ignorant.

 

Post your version of your due process.

 

What experience due you have with ICE detention, immigration and NTA’s and deportation proceedings?

 

Where was your concern and outrage when Obama had them in cages?

 

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Where was your concern and outrage when Obama had them in cages?

 

He might have been on barricades leading the protests, for you know But you are employing Whataboutism, and you don't know the answer.

 

Where were you when Nixon got caught/Reagan and Contras/Carter and Hostages/Bush and Panama/  Bush and Saddam/Clinton and dirty Dress/JFK and Dallas etc.

 

It is completely irrelevant whether or not he expressed outrage and concern  over Obama. People change their minds.

 

You were evidently an Obama supporter when he "put" "them" in "cages", and now you are a Trump supporter for doing much the sae thing. So a political vagrant.

[MicroB]

2 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Book em, Danno!

 

 

 

How's that related to federal employees turning up to work in piss soaked trousers and tatty trucker caps, with no sense of dress sense? Perhaps you are quoting the wrong post. And I am referring to the men identifed as "Police" (ICE) not the FBI.

[ThreeCardMonte]

4 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

He might have been on barricades leading the protests, for you know But you are employing Whataboutism, and you don't know the answer.

 

Where were you when Nixon got caught/Reagan and Contras/Carter and Hostages/Bush and Panama/  Bush and Saddam/Clinton and dirty Dress/JFK and Dallas etc.

 

It is completely irrelevant whether or not he expressed outrage and concern  over Obama. People change their minds.

 

You were evidently an Obama supporter when he "put" "them" in "cages", and now you are a Trump supporter for doing much the sae thing. So a political vagrant.

“you were evidently an Obama supporter when he "put""them" in "cages”

 

LOL….A case of mistaken identity.  I have never been a Obama supporter.

 

Irrevellent?  He’s only outraged because he’s a Trump hater and Trump is office.  
 

“He may of been on barricades leading the protests “

Whoa!  WTF are you talking about?  Who, When and Where?

 

Are you posting under the influence?  It happens.  Nothing to be ashamed about.

[ThreeCardMonte]

11 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

How's that related to federal employees turning up to work in piss soaked trousers and tatty trucker caps, with no sense of dress sense? Perhaps you are quoting the wrong post. And I am referring to the men identifed as "Police" (ICE) not the FBI.

You lost me, again!

 

Perhaps someone else can decipher your statement.

 

 I certainly can’t.

[MicroB]

8 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

You lost me, again!

 

Perhaps someone else can decipher your statement.

 

 I certainly can’t.

 

I made reference to federal agents not wearing uniforms, masking their faces. Other agencies wear clear uniforms. If there is a need for plain clothes, I could accept this. Guards  for a holding facility should be wearing clear unifirms. The cheap vests do not constitute that. 

 

You decided to hijack the thread with a cryptic post about a dead pedophile, quoting me. Are you implying that I am a pedophile and trying to intimidate me? Maybe English is not your native tongue.

 

I think yuo have genuinely gotten mixed po in threads and who you were replying to, or you don't understand the quote function on forums.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am waiting for a full and fullsome retraction and apology.

[MicroB]

20 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

“you were evidently an Obama supporter when he "put""them" in "cages”

 

LOL….A case of mistaken identity.  I have never been a Obama supporter.

 

Irrevellent?  He’s only outraged because he’s a Trump hater and Trump is office.  
 

“He may of been on barricades leading the protests “

Whoa!  WTF are you talking about?  Who, When and Where?

 

Are you posting under the influence?  It happens.  Nothing to be ashamed about.

 

 

I have not touched alcohol for 30 years since my sister was killed by a drunken driver and I found my Savious. Alcohol is a root of evil. Apologise for that quip.

 

Being under the influence of alcohol or drugs is deeply shameful, and a sign of a weak and ungodly character.

[MicroB]

37 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

“you were evidently an Obama supporter when he "put""them" in "cages”

 

LOL….A case of mistaken identity.  I have never been a Obama supporter.

 

Irrevellent?  He’s only outraged because he’s a Trump hater and Trump is office.  
 

“He may of been on barricades leading the protests “

Whoa!  WTF are you talking about?  Who, When and Where?

 

Are you posting under the influence?  It happens.  Nothing to be ashamed about.

 

Don't bother. On ignore. Its for the best.

[frank83628]

On 5/10/2025 at 7:26 PM, riclag said:

Im almost convinced that US Atty for NJ Alina  Habba was sent to NJ  to quell

a insurrection by the  Democrats in that state.

 

I thought nobody was above the law

[gargamon]

On 5/9/2025 at 11:13 PM, riclag said:

”Members of Congress storming into a detention facility goes beyond a bizarre political stunt and puts the safety of our law enforcement agents and detainees at risk,” DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement”.

Members of Congress, by law, are allowed access to detention facilities. The DHS officers need to be arrested.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I thought nobody was above the law

The New Jersey  Governor flexing his freedom of speech!

Habba was sitting cozy as a WH lawyer and then out of nowhere Bondi swears her in as acting NJ District Atty in March.I was scratching my head at the time.

 

I’m not a expert on behind the scenes dynamics. But the Doj  must of caught wind as to the Dem Mayor’s licensing plan to deny Delaney Hall as a

facilIty to incarcerate  criminal illegals and  local Government efforts towards impeding federal law.That being said, it was a calculated move that paid off. 

[ThreeCardMonte]

13 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

I made reference to federal agents not wearing uniforms, masking their faces. Other agencies wear clear uniforms. If there is a need for plain clothes, I could accept this. Guards  for a holding facility should be wearing clear unifirms. The cheap vests do not constitute that. 

 

You decided to hijack the thread with a cryptic post about a dead pedophile, quoting me. Are you implying that I am a pedophile and trying to intimidate me? Maybe English is not your native tongue.

 

I think yuo have genuinely gotten mixed po in threads and who you were replying to, or you don't understand the quote function on forums.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am waiting for a full and fullsome retraction and apology.

Oh Dear!
 

You lost me, again 

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

23 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Quite the contrary.  You are ignorant.

 

Post your version of your due process.

 

What experience due you have with ICE detention, immigration and NTA’s and deportation proceedings?

 

Where was your concern and outrage when Obama had them in cages?

 

That's a ridiculous ask. You and I don't get to have our own version of  what due process is - it's part of the US Constitution and only the courts (especially the Supreme Court) are entitled to interpret it. SCOTUS has already done so, and I already posted their ruling of what due process means for the people facing deportation proceedings.

 

I don't have any personal experience of how deportation proceedings should work but again, I think the Supreme Court justices do, which is why I would defer once more to their obviously superior expertise.

 

Nor have I expressed any concern or outrage about this or any other deportation proceedings, my only concern is to challenge your understanding of due process which you seem to think includes being detained in an ICE facility, when the Supreme Court ruling would indicate that it doesn't. 

 

You're the one who claimed that them being detained was part of due process so it's actually incumbent on you to provide evidence that backs up that claim.

 

Accordingly, please provide evidence from a reputable source (a legal site or court ruling should suffice) that being detained forms part of a person's due process rights.

[Yagoda]

18 hours ago, gargamon said:

Members of Congress, by law, are allowed access to detention facilities.

Please cite the statute or be caught out lying again.

[riclag]

35 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Please cite the statute or be caught out lying again.

Grok:
 

Conclusion: By law, members of Congress are allowed to access detention facilities operated by or for DHS, including ICE facilities, for oversight purposes, often without prior notice, as codified in appropriations language and supported by bills like the POD

 

Pod https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/10274/text

 

But there are restrictions and the bill

appears to be only introduced and not signed into law.

 

google ai

 

No, H.R. 10274 is not currently law. It is a bill introduced in the 118th Congress, known as the Public Oversight of Detention Centers Act of 2024, but it has not been enacted into law. Congress.govprovides detailed information about the bill's status and actions taken on it. 
 

And than the old law talks about restrictions:48 hour notice.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2842/text

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

That's a ridiculous ask. You and I don't get to have our own version of  what due process is - it's part of the US Constitution and only the courts (especially the Supreme Court) are entitled to interpret it. SCOTUS has already done so, and I already posted their ruling of what due process means for the people facing deportation proceedings.

 

I don't have any personal experience of how deportation proceedings should work but again, I think the Supreme Court justices do, which is why I would defer once more to their obviously superior expertise.

 

Nor have I expressed any concern or outrage about this or any other deportation proceedings, my only concern is to challenge your understanding of due process which you seem to think includes being detained in an ICE facility, when the Supreme Court ruling would indicate that it doesn't. 

 

You're the one who claimed that them being detained was part of due process so it's actually incumbent on you to provide evidence that backs up that claim.

 

Accordingly, please provide evidence from a reputable source (a legal site or court ruling should suffice) that being detained forms part of a person's due process rights.

Due process is the illegal aliens being detained while waiting for their deportation hearing by an IJ.

 

They too dangerous to be issued a NTA.  They won’t appear on their court date.

 

I’ve seen it time and time again.

The fact that you support releasing dangerous criminals back into the country is disturbing.

 

 

[Keep Right]

On 5/10/2025 at 12:13 PM, riclag said:

The New US District Court Atty in New

Jersey and ex Lawyer for Trump calls out the activists Dems for storming

the detention facilities where illegal criminal migrants are held.As a result, 

The activist mayor was arrested .

 

“Members of Congress storming into a detention facility goes beyond a bizarre political stunt and puts the safety of our law enforcement agents and detainees at risk,” DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement”.

 

 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/05/09/us-news/newark-mayor-ras-baraka-arrested-while-protesting-ice-detention-facility/

story is based on a NYP report 

Nothing surprises me anymore about the bizarre left wing Democrats. You observe their socialist behavior and you think, OK, now they have maxed out on their insanity and the needle is pegged on the absurd. But then something even more demented comes along and the insanity meter needs to be re-calibrated. 

[ThreeCardMonte]

20 hours ago, gargamon said:

Members of Congress, by law, are allowed access to detention facilities. The DHS officers need to be arrested.

With proper notification and approval.

 

Not to barge in like a herd of elephants when they choose.

 

Private citizens can’t do this.  Neither can members of Congress.

 

After all.  No one is above the law.

[riclag]

36 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

With proper notification and approval.

 

Not to barge in like a herd of elephants when they choose.

 

Private citizens can’t do this.  Neither can members of Congress.

 

After all.  No one is above the law.

Homeland Security brings the receipts :

These SJW activist  who represent the dems & illegal non citizens are gonna lose this narrative too.