Stop the war in 1 day, now it's an European thing

[safarimike11]

6 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Perhaps you are right but obviously neither is Trump.

 

Trump has failed to end the war and has, arguably, damaged Ukraine with his personal attacks on Zelensky and his lukewarm attitude towards NATO.

There are at least 3 reasons why Putin invaded Ukraine in February 2022: 1. With that clown Zelenskyy and those fools running the eu and NATO making it public knowledge that Ukraine would be accepted in both the eu and NATO, and them expecting Putin just to sit by saying "Yes, that will be all fine and dandy"? 2. Putin saw how easy it was to annex Crimea back in 2014 while Obama & co. did nothing. 3. Putin witnessing the debacle of Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal back in August 2021 obviously was a big encouragement in his decision to invade Ukraine.

[safarimike11]

6 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

These people have no solutions. Their pathetic lives revolve around bitching about Trump. 

(Fishing for the armchair warriors) There are at least 3 reasons why Putin invaded Ukraine in February 2022: 1. With that clown Zelenskyy and those fools running the eu and NATO making it public knowledge that Ukraine would be accepted in both the eu and NATO, and them expecting Putin just to sit by saying "Yes, that will be all fine and dandy"? 2. Putin saw how easy it was to annex Crimea back in 2014 while Obama & co. did nothing. 3. Putin witnessing the debacle of Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal back in August 2021 obviously was a big encouragement in his decision to invade Ukraine.

[Mike_Hunt]

11 minutes ago, safarimike11 said:

(Fishing for the armchair warriors) There are at least 3 reasons why Putin invaded Ukraine in February 2022: 1. With that clown Zelenskyy and those fools running the eu and NATO making it public knowledge that Ukraine would be accepted in both the eu and NATO, and them expecting Putin just to sit by saying "Yes, that will be all fine and dandy"? 2. Putin saw how easy it was to annex Crimea back in 2014 while Obama & co. did nothing. 3. Putin witnessing the debacle of Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal back in August 2021 obviously was a big encouragement in his decision to invade Ukraine.

Yes, bad leadership all around. 

[frank83628]

13 hours ago, safarimike11 said:

So, what do you suggest; what is your solution?

They don't have any solutions, only to attack trump.

[frank83628]

At least Trump has actively tried, which is more than any previous US president has done with regards to ending a war

the EU warmongers don't want it to end, they don't care about those dying, they are the ones now backing the Zman to continue the already lost war.

Zelensky is out of term, he is not president anymore.

[henryford1958]

13 hours ago, Furioso said:

Russia has been constant trouble for over 100 years. The plan is to Just allow Putin and Russia to weaken both economically and militarily.

 

You think the fools have a PLAN? After 11 years they have done nothing but sit on their arse. The EUSSR is still buying oil and gas from Russia.

[frank83628]

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The first/top three threads on this forum are now about Trump 

And I bet none are started by Americans.

[safarimike11]

7 hours ago, safarimike11 said:

There are at least 3 reasons why Putin invaded Ukraine in February 2022: 1. With that clown Zelenskyy and those fools running the eu and NATO making it public knowledge that Ukraine would be accepted in both the eu and NATO, and them expecting Putin just to sit by saying "Yes, that will be all fine and dandy"? 2. Putin saw how easy it was to annex Crimea back in 2014 while Obama & co. did nothing. 3. Putin witnessing the debacle of Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal back in August 2021 obviously was a big encouragement in his decision to invade Ukraine.

Only one thumbs down? (Guess nobody is up yet?)

[bubblegum]

14 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Europe is not up to the task. 

Beside the point.

[bubblegum]

14 hours ago, safarimike11 said:

So, what do you suggest; what is your solution?

Asking me 5 times? Why me? I'm not a world leader like Trump pretends to be and I did not make those claims.

[bubblegum]

14 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

These people have no solutions. Their pathetic lives revolve around bitching about Trump. 

These people are not in office, your live resolves about bitching us bitching.

[bubblegum]

14 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"It is recognized, of course, that the word "day" can be used with a number of variations. It can have any of five meanings: 1) a period of light; 2) a period of 24 hours; 3) a general, vague time; 4) a point of time; 5) a year.2 The context determines which of these is intended by the writer. "

 

https://www.icr.org/article/meaning-day-genesis/#:~:text=It can have any of,2

 

Can we agree Trump was using it as per point 3) ?

 

Try though you do to make MAGA an insult with your cute magaman, it literally means to make America great again. Not possible to use as an insult, unlike the anagrams that send the afflicted scurrying to the report button.😅

Dude a day is day no matter what alternative reality Magaman lives in. Also he claimed again and again he would stop the war even before his inauguration. This happened yet?

[bubblegum]

14 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This has been done to death but I guess the anti-Trump thing going on in your head makes you feel the need to start yet another anti-Trump thread. As for not making a millimetre of progress how would you compare this to Sleepy Joe's administration. That admin wanted the continuation of the war. As for the "European thing" in reality this is a proxy war being fought to denigrate Russian military capability and it's economy to benefit the EU. This is not happening. The frontline on the battlefield is still moving in Russia's favour. I'd like anyone to show me this isn't the case. Again I say, as I have had to many times to the brainless on here, that this is simply a fact. Russia is winning this war of protracted attrition.

But what about Biden. He did not make false claims now did he.

[theshu25]

14 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

These people are spending tier lives endlessly posting about Trump in Internet forums. 

And you spend all your time replying to them,hahahahah.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Dude a day is day no matter what alternative reality Magaman lives in. Also he claimed again and again he would stop the war even before his inauguration. This happened yet?

At least he has actually done something, its the EU prolonging and escalating the situation now, Zelenskey is just an illegitimate puppet since this time last year.

I remember previous presidents campaing on closing Guantanamo... still open, bumet you weren't holding them to thair words though were you.

The nonstop scrutiny is part of the syndrome

[Patong2021]

16 hours ago, safarimike11 said:

So, what do you suggest; what is your solution?

 

Applying real sanctions against Russia. The west say they apply sanctions, but then it violates the intent by doing special financial deals. 

[safarimike11]

16 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Applying real sanctions against Russia. The west say they apply sanctions, but then it violates the intent by doing special financial deals. 

Acknowledged.

[Hamus Yaigh]

16 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This has been done to death but I guess the anti-Trump thing going on in your head makes you feel the need to start yet another anti-Trump thread. As for not making a millimetre of progress how would you compare this to Sleepy Joe's administration. That admin wanted the continuation of the war. As for the "European thing" in reality this is a proxy war being fought to denigrate Russian military capability and it's economy to benefit the EU. This is not happening. The frontline on the battlefield is still moving in Russia's favour. I'd like anyone to show me this isn't the case. Again I say, as I have had to many times to the brainless on here, that this is simply a fact. Russia is winning this war of protracted attrition.

 

Firstly, the idea of starting “yet another” anti-Trump thread seems to imply there’s nothing left to say on the topic. However, the discussion about Trump’s presidency, including his policies and their impact on the world stage, is still very much relevant. Dismissing criticism as simply “anti-Trump” rhetoric is overly simplistic.

 

Secondly, it’s debatable whether Sleepy Joe’s administration wanted to continue the war. While it’s true that Biden has been a strong supporter of Ukraine, it’s difficult to suggest he actively wanted the war to continue—in fact, there’s evidence that his administration has been working to facilitate negotiations.

 

Thirdly, calling the war in Ukraine a “proxy war” ignores the fact that Ukraine is fighting for its independence and territorial integrity.

 

Russia has made some territorial gains, but it’s not clear they’re winning. First, Russian forces have suffered heavy losses in terms of personnel and equipment, which is not the hallmark of a successful military campaign.

Your language is pretty divisive too. Dismissing people who disagree with YOU as “brainless” is both inaccurate and unproductive. It’s a common tactic used to create an “us vs. them” mentality, which is exactly what Putin wants. Putin’s goal is to present Russia as powerful, and its enemies as weak, stupid, and morally bankrupt. That’s why he’s invested so much in propaganda. The more people repeat and believe his narrative, the easier it is for him to maintain control.

 

So when someone says “Russia is winning,” and calls everyone else brainless for questioning it, they’re doing Putin’s job for him. How much is Putin paying you if you don't mind me asking?

[frank83628]

54 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Applying real sanctions against Russia. The west say they apply sanctions, but then it violates the intent by doing special financial deals. 

Sanctions are easily bypassed, the sanctions on Russian gas has only effected Germanys  economy and the EU citizens with 3x higher energy bills due to US LNG .

Sanctions are also the reason for BRICS.

The UK, France are now prolonging this war by propping up the puppet Z. You lot really should wake up to this fact, and that you have been lied to since the beginnng.

[BangkokReady]

18 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Trump deciding it's an European thing after he failed to make just a millimetre of progress on the war in Ukraine.

 

How many more failures can Magaman accept?

 

You sound pleased.  Do you want him to fail and for America, possibly the world, to be worse off?  That seems like a odd stance to take.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

 

Firstly, the idea of starting “yet another” anti-Trump thread seems to imply there’s nothing left to say on the topic. However, the discussion about Trump’s presidency, including his policies and their impact on the world stage, is still very much relevant. Dismissing criticism as simply “anti-Trump” rhetoric is overly simplistic.

 

Secondly, it’s debatable whether Sleepy Joe’s administration wanted to continue the war. While it’s true that Biden has been a strong supporter of Ukraine, it’s difficult to suggest he actively wanted the war to continue—in fact, there’s evidence that his administration has been working to facilitate negotiations.

 

Thirdly, calling the war in Ukraine a “proxy war” ignores the fact that Ukraine is fighting for its independence and territorial integrity.

 

Russia has made some territorial gains, but it’s not clear they’re winning. First, Russian forces have suffered heavy losses in terms of personnel and equipment, which is not the hallmark of a successful military campaign.

Your language is pretty divisive too. Dismissing people who disagree with YOU as “brainless” is both inaccurate and unproductive. It’s a common tactic used to create an “us vs. them” mentality, which is exactly what Putin wants. Putin’s goal is to present Russia as powerful, and its enemies as weak, stupid, and morally bankrupt. That’s why he’s invested so much in propaganda. The more people repeat and believe his narrative, the easier it is for him to maintain control.

 

So when someone says “Russia is winning,” and calls everyone else brainless for questioning it, they’re doing Putin’s job for him. How much is Putin paying you if you don't mind me asking?

Biden & blinken refused to meet Putin for any talks, Clinton said  inbthe beginning that the war should be dragged out as long as possible to destroy Russias economy.

You're all doing the job for the western propaganda machine, how many time were you told Russia was done, they'd lost, banckrupted etc etc... yet that's totally  contradicted when saying Putin is going to invade the EU.

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Defenders of democracy trying to stop the election being stolen by fraudulent votes 

and I am sure you have data supporting that, right????

[Mavideol]

wait, wait, wait.... the guy is changing is rhetoric again, it appears now his piss a Putin.... Is there a  special institution to check Trump / Krasnov in,  as he's completely out of his mind, in one sentence he's mad at Putin but 2 seconds later he "again" changed his mind and goes after Zelensky whom has more integrity in one finger than Trump in his all body

 

Trump says Putin ‘has gone absolutely crazy’ after major Russian attack on Ukraine

https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-says-not-happy-putin-224629392.html

 

 

[BerndD]

Ending the war within a day, that didn't work!

But ruining the USA in 100 days, that's what it has done, the orange.

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

13 hours ago, safarimike11 said:

There are at least 3 reasons why Putin invaded Ukraine in February 2022: 1. With that clown Zelenskyy and those fools running the eu and NATO making it public knowledge that Ukraine would be accepted in both the eu and NATO, and them expecting Putin just to sit by saying "Yes, that will be all fine and dandy"? 2. Putin saw how easy it was to annex Crimea back in 2014 while Obama & co. did nothing. 3. Putin witnessing the debacle of Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal back in August 2021 obviously was a big encouragement in his decision to invade Ukraine.

Genuinely surprised to see such a good take in another thread full of whacko anti Trump guff. Feeling cheered some people have been paying attention after all.

[safarimike11]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Genuinely surprised to see such a good take in another thread full of whacko anti Trump guff. Feeling cheered some people have been paying attention after all.

When this went down in Feb. 2022, I was communicating with a (then) friend of 20+ years, expressing the exact same views that I expressed above; however as the war went on, I changed my mind and actually went along with the herd's view. Glad to say, that I have swung full circle and my view is set in concrete, so read it and weep armchair warriors.

[MicroB]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Sanctions are easily bypassed, the sanctions on Russian gas has only effected Germanys  economy and the EU citizens with 3x higher energy bills due to US LNG .

Sanctions are also the reason for BRICS.

The UK, France are now prolonging this war by propping up the puppet Z. You lot really should wake up to this fact, and that you have been lied to since the beginnng.

 

Complaining about your own people.

[BLMFem]

8 hours ago, frank83628 said:

And I bet none are started by Americans.

Who knows, it doesn't matter, Dmitry. What matters is that everyone knows who started the brutal war against Ukraine, and sooner or later he'll pay the price in full.

[Tug]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Biden & blinken refused to meet Putin for any talks, Clinton said  inbthe beginning that the war should be dragged out as long as possible to destroy Russias economy.

You're all doing the job for the western propaganda machine, how many time were you told Russia was done, they'd lost, banckrupted etc etc... yet that's totally  contradicted when saying Putin is going to invade the EU.

That’s because a COMPITENT administration knew it was #1 a sign of weakness and #2 useless and a waste of time.yes unfortunately now it’s Europes task with the USA sitting on the sidelines..my biggest concern at this point is trump refusing to supply European countrys with supply’s and support of American made weapon systems in an attempt to curry favor with his idol putin.

[MicroB]

15 hours ago, safarimike11 said:

(Fishing for the armchair warriors) There are at least 3 reasons why Putin invaded Ukraine in February 2022: 1. With that clown Zelenskyy and those fools running the eu and NATO making it public knowledge that Ukraine would be accepted in both the eu and NATO, and them expecting Putin just to sit by saying "Yes, that will be all fine and dandy"? 2. Putin saw how easy it was to annex Crimea back in 2014 while Obama & co. did nothing. 3. Putin witnessing the debacle of Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal back in August 2021 obviously was a big encouragement in his decision to invade Ukraine.

 

For the latter, its a combination of the Biden administration's handling of that pull out, plus the previous administration's habit of directly negotiating with terrorists, and leaving out the legitimate Afghan government out of discussions. The Saigon debacle happened under Ford, and he shared blame, but the reasons were due to a previous President embracing a criminal regime.

 

If Putin was a normal, non-criminal leader, he would have viewed Ukraine joining the EU as an economic opportunity, a good news event for the Russian federation, leading to facilitation of greatly increased trading with the EU and the wider world. But you are right, Putin views sovereignty as a threat to Russia.

 

Yes, Russia found it all too easy to seize Crima, but using this as a reason to excuse Russia is a bit like blaming the rape victim for walking home from the pub. You are right, that Russia is a country with a small dick. Look how they shrivelled at Pristina Airport when faced with a guitar waving young Blues and Royal officer in his little Scorpion tank, when he said "No".

 

 

 

Chamberlain greenlighted Herr Hitler into invading Poland because of the reaction to Czechoslovakia, but in the end, the blame for WW2 lies with Hitler and his gang.

 

Chamberlain's defence was he wasn't trusting of the Germans, and was buying time. Halfas was genuinely trusting of the Germans, so Obama veers more towards a Halifax position.

 

Everyone seems to think history started in 2014, in terms of the root of this conflict. Not so. You can go back to 2000, when Putin came to power, and relations with Georgi became frosty, but even before then, when the Politburo in Moscow deliberately encouraged and funded counter-nationalist movements, as they saw Communist power slip away. Its true that those diehards viewed the West with disdain and are contemptuous of democracy, in the same way Hitler was.

 

So Obama's inaction in 2014 confirmed to Putin what he saw from President Bush in 2008, over Georgia, where he allowed the Russian Army to seize US property without a protest. Putin is incapable of civilised behaviour. He is an anti-democrat, so he has no understanding or empatthy with Western liberal democracies. He is so imbided with Bolshevik brainwashing, he sees everything as a threat to the Party, even though the Party has long gone.

 

A normal national leader would not see a country joining the EU as some sort of existensial threat. A normal leader sees that as an economic opportunity.

 

Russia is a country with a small penis that easily shrivels. eg. Pristina Airport.

 

Western leaders have made mistakes, but the fault has always been with Putin, and his geopolitical illiteracy. To blame the West for the War is to blame the young girl who was gang raped for walking home, or the young boy abused by a pedophile for joining the Scouts.

 

Hitler caused WW2. Putin caused WW3.