Beating children

[zmisha]

On 5/29/2025 at 12:26 PM, fredwiggy said:

No child deserves a beating.

Parents should prepare children to live in the real world. In the real world if you do something against the law, you will be in prison and then enjoy a good beating.
Children who were not beaten do not respect the rules and then life beats them for this many times more than their parents could have done.

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, zmisha said:

Parents should prepare children to live in the real world. In the real world if you do something against the law, you will be in prison and then enjoy a good beating.
Children who were not beaten do not respect the rules and then life beats them for this many times more than their parents could have done.

Most people do not end up in prison! Get a grip if the reality.  Most people do not get slapped or fight once in their lifetime. 

 

I'm in the other end of the scale, slapped and beaten by my father, fight in the school, worked as a security where I experienced up to 25 verbal conflicts everyday, attatc with or without stab weapons once a month, but still think violence or discipline a child with physical punishment is wrong for most. There is a limit that have to be crossed or just self defense.

 

14 - 15 year old kid today  in some cases stronger and better equipped for a fight than many grown ups, and that is a problem. Not that young boys are strong, but men in general becomes weaker and soft. 

[fredwiggy]

12 hours ago, zmisha said:

Parents should prepare children to live in the real world. In the real world if you do something against the law, you will be in prison and then enjoy a good beating.
Children who were not beaten do not respect the rules and then life beats them for this many times more than their parents could have done.

Children who were beaten were abused, period. Children who are beaten grow up as abusers, thinking it's normal to beat your children. I was never beaten and neither were any of my friends. Hit a couple of times when we were doing something dangerous or hurting others yes. I respect rules, people, cultures, nationalities, races and creeds. Being there for your kids and teaching them right and wrong is how they learn respect. Only an abuser beats respect into a child.A coward.

[Harrisfan]

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

Most people do not end up in prison! Get a grip if the reality.  Most people do not get slapped or fight once in their lifetime. 

 

I'm in the other end of the scale, slapped and beaten by my father, fight in the school, worked as a security where I experienced up to 25 verbal conflicts everyday, attatc with or without stab weapons once a month, but still think violence or discipline a child with physical punishment is wrong for most. There is a limit that have to be crossed or just self defense.

 

14 - 15 year old kid today  in some cases stronger and better equipped for a fight than many grown ups, and that is a problem. Not that young boys are strong, but men in general becomes weaker and soft. 

Most kids have 2 or 3 fights at school

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Most kids have 2 or 3 fights at school

Out of 21 kids in our class I think only 3 of us had a fight, but I also did fight older kids, if they tried to bully us, and gained respect from that. After 7. where I did beat up a 9. grader, I was and those with me left alone and no more challenges at the school. I finished that first day at 7. when they had their welcome ritual at us younger at the new school. 

 

Next time I ended up in a fight was in the army, and ended that fight with a clean punch, and no more trouble. And it was only me and another who had a fight in the whole company who was almost 120 people total. 

[Hawaiian]

13 hours ago, zmisha said:

Parents should prepare children to live in the real world. In the real world if you do something against the law, you will be in prison and then enjoy a good beating.
Children who were not beaten do not respect the rules and then life beats them for this many times more than their parents could have done.

Kids can be to taught to respect the law without beating them.  Removing privileges brings better results.  My parents never beat us and I have never beat any of my kids.  To my knowledge my grandchildren are not beaten either.  No one has ever gone to jail or even been arrested.

[zmisha]

10 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Children who were beaten were abused, period. Children who are beaten grow up as abusers, thinking it's normal to beat your children.

Being a parent would be much easier if the question to beat or not to beat was always answered simply - Yes or No. Unfortunately, there are no simple solutions - constantly beating is bad. But not beating at all is also bad - after all, the child has not yet learned to use the brain to see that he did something wrong. If you do not beat the child because he plays with matches despite your prohibition - you will definitely regret it.

[fredwiggy]

5 hours ago, zmisha said:

Being a parent would be much easier if the question to beat or not to beat was always answered simply - Yes or No. Unfortunately, there are no simple solutions - constantly beating is bad. But not beating at all is also bad - after all, the child has not yet learned to use the brain to see that he did something wrong. If you do not beat the child because he plays with matches despite your prohibition - you will definitely regret it.

I don't like the word beat as it's pretty harsh. Hit, spank on the butt, okay. Yes, playing with matches isn't a safe thing, but teaching not to touch by beating? Tone of voice works with most children, started young when they're doing something unsafe or wrong. I rarely hit any of my children, in fact a couple of times for two, and none for four, and they all respected their teachers and other authority, animals, and elders. Two got into trouble because of the peers they hung out with, and regretted it , telling me they should have listened to me.

 

None of them hit their children, and my one grandchild, who was taken over by her dad and my daughter, from his first marriage to a drug addict, just recently graduated high school with honors and has a full paid scholarship into college and will be going for her pilot's license. The others are very good in school, still young.

[NanLaew]

On 5/29/2025 at 9:00 AM, hotsun said:

My experience, my daughter 3 years old, one day of daycare, one hard slap on the wrist for being more curious than the others. Not until i took her to school in the US where she stopped being afraid. Child beating and dog beating will always be a part of the culture, why the country will never progress

 

Meanwhile, in America, guns in schools have become part of their culture.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Meanwhile, in America, guns in schools have become part of their culture.

A few loose cannons appear anywhere, with a large majority carrying weapons here. Guns are not a part of the culture in schools in the US. Again, it's better to actually live there before you comment of a country, as most of what you hear about is biased, BS and opinions rather than the whole truth. Yes, America does have a lot of problems regarding gun use, but most of it is gangs and suicides. Every country has their share of crimes, with some , especially smaller European ones and some Pacific islands, with smaller populations, having less. Many South American countries, along with African, New Guinea, Yemen  and Afghanistan are higher in crime rate than the US.Thailand is slowly closing the gap also.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

A few loose cannons appear anywhere, with a large majority carrying weapons here. Guns are not a part of the culture in schools in the US. Again, it's better to actually live there before you comment of a country, as most of what you hear about is biased, BS and opinions rather than the whole truth. Yes, America does have a lot of problems regarding gun use, but most of it is gangs and suicides. Every country has their share of crimes, with some , especially smaller European ones and some Pacific islands, with smaller populations, having less. Many South American countries, along with African, New Guinea, Yemen  and Afghanistan are higher in crime rate than the US.Thailand is slowly closing the gap also.

 

Glad to see you have normalised those unique risks that America's most vulnerable have to navigate, just so they can get an education.

 

Of course, having lived and worked in the US for about twelve years myself, I can appreciate your clamour to write school shootings off as business as usual and arbitrarily dismiss those who aren't American.

[NanLaew]

On 5/31/2025 at 5:54 PM, Magictoad said:

When they cancelled corporal punishment in the 80s in the UK it lead to an outbreak of anti -social behaviour and violent crime. Many are talking of bringing it back again to cut down on knife crime which has left the streets too dangerous to walk in these days &  public transport is a NIGHTMARE. It's one reason I left the UK - its become unbearable. If we could turn the clock back and bring back corporal punishment; then I and millions of others would vote for a return. 

 

As my late father, a career Scottish policeman frequently said, bring back the birch.

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Glad to see you have normalised those unique risks that America's most vulnerable have to navigate, just so they can get an education.

 

Of course, having lived and worked in the US for about twelve years myself, I can appreciate your clamour to write school shootings off as business as usual and arbitrarily dismiss those who aren't American.

I'm wondering how you got that from what I posted. I know what went on there for the 62 years I lived there, and still know since I've been here, from visiting, having many friends and family there, and from the daily news of various networks. I don't dismiss anything. What unique risks do Americans face that others here don't? Of course crime happens there daily, just as it does here, but most people will never see much if any. 

[NanLaew]

48 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm wondering how you got that from what I posted. I know what went on there for the 62 years I lived there, and still know since I've been here, from visiting, having many friends and family there, and from the daily news of various networks. I don't dismiss anything. What unique risks do Americans face that others here don't? Of course crime happens there daily, just as it does here, but most people will never see much if any. 

 

With an average 24 to 39 school shooting incidents in the US a year, I think Thailand's schools are a wee bit safer.

 

Since I too never witnessed one in my dozen or so years living and working there either, ergo they don't happen?

 

Back on topic, corporal punishment in UK schools allowed some egregious excesses by persons that brought shame on the teaching profession. So rather than try and sort out the dodgy teaching staff, they banned it without any thought to alternatives to harder discipline.

 

In Thailand, it's cultural. Schools, authorities and even the police don't do anything until it hits social media which is a relatively recent trend but schools and perpetrators are never named and shamed due to the abuse of the country's defamation laws.

 

 

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm wondering how you got that from what I posted. I know what went on there for the 62 years I lived there, and still know since I've been here, from visiting, having many friends and family there, and from the daily news of various networks. I don't dismiss anything. What unique risks do Americans face that others here don't? Of course crime happens there daily, just as it does here, but most people will never see much if any. 

In America, it used be that most shootings occurred mostly in the seamier side of town and in certain ethnic neighborhoods.  Today, it's a different story.  It's happening everywhere and innocent lives are being lost.  People who never owned firearms before are buying them for home defense; both male and female.

 

[Hummin]

8 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

A few loose cannons appear anywhere, with a large majority carrying weapons here. Guns are not a part of the culture in schools in the US. Again, it's better to actually live there before you comment of a country, as most of what you hear about is biased, BS and opinions rather than the whole truth. Yes, America does have a lot of problems regarding gun use, but most of it is gangs and suicides. Every country has their share of crimes, with some , especially smaller European ones and some Pacific islands, with smaller populations, having less. Many South American countries, along with African, New Guinea, Yemen  and Afghanistan are higher in crime rate than the US.Thailand is slowly closing the gap also.

Don’t American kids have to walk through metal detectors and have armed visual security on schools?

 

Growing up in a country where not the police carried weapons at all, but things changes here to slowly, 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

In America, it used be that most shootings occurred mostly in the seamier side of town and in certain ethnic neighborhoods.  Today, it's a different story.  It's happening everywhere and innocent lives are being lost.  People who never owned firearms before are buying them for home defense; both male and female.

 

The last 5 years I lived there I had a FFL license and sold many guns to people not only for hunting and target shooting but self defense. Many with guns have saved others from criminals with guns. No sense being a victim. Americans don't play games when it comes to who's going down when accosted. 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Don’t American kids have to walk through metal detectors and have armed visual security on schools?

 

Growing up in a country where not the police carried weapons at all, but things changes here to slowly, 

Some schools have them. All should. The only way to stop these loose cannons is immediately. 

[Hummin]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Some schools have them. All should. The only way to stop these loose cannons is immediately. 

Then you can say guns is normalized in American schools

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The last 5 years I lived there I had a FFL license and sold many guns to people not only for hunting and target shooting but self defense. Many with guns have saved others from criminals with guns. No sense being a victim. Americans don't play games when it comes to who's going down when accosted. 

Americans have an violent culture, and many violent people, 

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Don’t American kids have to walk through metal detectors and have armed visual security on schools?

 

Growing up in a country where not the police carried weapons at all, but things changes here to slowly, 

 

 

Tennessee 2024, legislation signed on April 25 allowing teachers and select school staff to carry concealed handguns on campus

 

Other states (e.g. Ohio, Arkansas, Arizona, Idaho) have active proposals or existing policies that permit districts to arm staff or enable teachers to carry weapons under certain conditions 

 

What a place to live!

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Americans have an violent culture, and many violent people, 

 

Mental....US causes of death

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

With an average 24 to 39 school shooting incidents in the US a year, I think Thailand's schools are a wee bit safer.

 

Since I too never witnessed one in my dozen or so years living and working there either, ergo they don't happen?

 

Back on topic, corporal punishment in UK schools allowed some egregious excesses by persons that brought shame on the teaching profession. So rather than try and sort out the dodgy teaching staff, they banned it without any thought to alternatives to harder discipline.

 

In Thailand, it's cultural. Schools, authorities and even the police don't do anything until it hits social media which is a relatively recent trend but schools and perpetrators are never named and shamed due to the abuse of the country's defamation laws.

 

 

Mass shootings have happened here for a long time, and will continue. Schools here are safer for now, but shootings are increasing, as are crimes with knives and other weapons. Intentional homicide is actually higher here. Crimes happen everywhere, right next door to someone, all day long, somewhere. Teachers, nor anyone else, should have any right to touch a student unless they are out of control, and then to subdue. It's supposed to be banned here, but some don't care, s corporal punishment here is cultural. They'll let the teachers hit their kids as it's a babysitters job to many. Laziness in teaching your own children has them pawn them off to others. I had to stop my daughter's teacher from hitting the children with sticks. Took two warnings from me. 

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Then you can say guns is normalized in American schools

Having a gun as a student isn't normal, and illegal. The same as carrying knives and machetes here, outside of farming activities. It's intentional, and those that do are disturbed, just like the students that shoot their classmates in the US, and the ex cop that killed 24 toddlers and a 13 teachers here a few years ago.

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Tennessee 2024, legislation signed on April 25 allowing teachers and select school staff to carry concealed handguns on campus

 

Other states (e.g. Ohio, Arkansas, Arizona, Idaho) have active proposals or existing policies that permit districts to arm staff or enable teachers to carry weapons under certain conditions 

 

What a place to live!

Again not understanding most people will never see crimes happening there. The same as here and everywhere else. More people, more crimes, and it'll take time to figure out how to curtail those happening in schools, as mental illness is everywhere, as can be seen on the daily news here also.

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Americans have an violent culture, and many violent people, 

As does Thailand.And i make no excuses for America's problems. They have to stop.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again not understanding most people will never see crimes happening there. The same as here and everywhere else. More people, more crimes, and it'll take time to figure out how to curtail those happening in schools, as mental illness is everywhere, as can be seen on the daily news here also.

 

 

They must have amazing mental health care in japan.....look at those figures!!!!!

[Hawaiian]

26 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The last 5 years I lived there I had a FFL license and sold many guns to people not only for hunting and target shooting but self defense. Many with guns have saved others from criminals with guns. No sense being a victim. Americans don't play games when it comes to who's going down when accosted. 

A former Honolulu chief of police publicly discouraged home self defense.  She is no longer the chief.

[fredwiggy]

9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

They must have amazing mental health care in japan.....look at those figures!!!!!

Gun ownership in japan is very limited. 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Hawaiian said:

A former Honolulu chief of police publicly discouraged home self defense.  She is no longer with the police department.

You won't find many policemen that are against gun ownership. Every cop I sold to encourages people to carry and own guns. Criminals don't need to be the only ones who have them.