LA Mayor Bass statement on LA ICE roundup of Illegals…

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

are they both dead now?  So much for the yippie movement.

 

 

They're both dead. Hoffman in 1989, reportedly by suicide. Rubin was run over in LA in 1994 and subsequently suffered a heart attack. 

 

 

[jas007]

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's what, 90 miles? Doable in a hour, but not likely with a miltary convoy. 

 

Del Mar, "Where the surf meets the turf", nice! 

Sorry.  I'm all mixed up. And I do know better. I just remember the flow of traffic between Camp Pendleton and San Diego and I forgot that we're talking about Marines to LA and not sending troops to the Mexican border.  

 

So it's problematic. And the drive would be longer than one hour. 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Sorry.  I'm all mixed up. And I do know better. I just remember the flow of traffic between camp Pendleton and San Diego and I forgot that we're talking about Marines to LA and not sending troops to the Mexican border.  

 

So it's problematic. And the drive would be longer than one hour. 

 

 

No more than two at 3-4 AM I don't think with a convoy. 

 

Yeah, Pendelton is just up the 5 from the border...

[TheAppletons]

22 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's what, 90 miles? Doable in a hour, but not likely with a miltary convoy. 

 

Del Mar, "Where the surf meets the turf", nice! 

 

  Close.  "Where the turf meets the surf. "

 

  Awesome race track.  Rivaled only by Saratoga for ambience and great racing.

[impulse]

45 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No more than two at 3-4 AM I don't think with a convoy. 

 

Yeah, Pendelton is just up the 5 from the border...

 

20 minutes and a fast rope...

 

But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

20 minutes and a fast rope...

 

But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

I think Trump and his enforcement people are just waiting for the opportunity. This might be it. 

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I think Trump and his enforcement people are just waiting for the opportunity. This might be it. 

 

They're certainly not going to stand idly by for another summer of "mostly peaceful" violence, arson and looting.  Trump learned his lesson last time.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

U.S, law allows the President to federalize (bring under federal control) the National Guard of a states without the request or even agreement of the state governor.  The President can thereby order National Guard units into action or to "stand down," with their place taken by federal troops. 

 https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-invocations-insurrection-act

 

I read a recent Brennan Center article on this just by chance earlier today. Their upshot was that MOST situations are going to require at least the consent of the state's governor, even if the NG troops are under federal control.

 

The one exception to that would be the president invoking the Insurrection Act, which would really be a step into political/constitutional outer space, but not one I would put past Trump.

 

The President’s Power to Call Out the National Guard Is Not a Blank Check

November 18, 2024

 

...

"The Guard’s June 2020 operation in D.C. was unprecedented; § 502(f) had never before been used for a federally requested deployment in response to civil unrest. Historically, when presidents have desired to deploy the military for this purpose, they have invoked the Insurrection Act and deployed either active-duty federal troops or federalized National Guard. The District of Columbia’s unusual status within the United States’s federal system presents a second question: whether the deployment of unfederalized, out-of-state Guard troops into a nonconsenting jurisdiction would be lawful if that jurisdiction were a state. The answer to both of these questions is no.

...

The word “request” in § 502(f)(2)(A) is significant. The president or the secretary of defense may ask a governor to deploy National Guard troops, but the governor is under no obligation to acquiesce. This reading is supported by 32 U.S.C. § 328, which makes clear that a governor is the party empowered to order National Guard troops to duty under either prong of § 502(f). A governor’s right to refuse was evident in the summer of 2020—the Trump administration asked a total of 15 governors to deploy their Guard personnel into Washington, but four declined to do so.

...

Moreover, regardless of Congress’s intent, deployments of the National Guard in Title 32 status must in all cases respect the co-equal and territorially limited sovereignty of the states. As a constitutional matter, the deployment of unfederalized Guard personnel into a nonconsenting state is never permissible. If the president wishes to unilaterally deploy military forces into a nonconsenting state, then they must do so through the statutory mechanism that Congress has provided for this purpose since 1792: the Insurrection Act. [emphasis added]

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/presidents-power-call-out-national-guard-not-blank-check

 

 

 

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I read a recent Brennan Center article on this just by chance earlier today. Their upshot was that MOST situations are going to require at least the consent of the state's governor, even if the NG troops are under federal control.

 

The one exception to that would be the president invoking the Insurrection Act, which would really be a step into political/constitutional outer space, but not one I would put past Trump.

 

The President’s Power to Call Out the National Guard Is Not a Blank Check

November 18, 2024

 

...

"The Guard’s June 2020 operation in D.C. was unprecedented; § 502(f) had never before been used for a federally requested deployment in response to civil unrest. Historically, when presidents have desired to deploy the military for this purpose, they have invoked the Insurrection Act and deployed either active-duty federal troops or federalized National Guard. The District of Columbia’s unusual status within the United States’s federal system presents a second question: whether the deployment of unfederalized, out-of-state Guard troops into a nonconsenting jurisdiction would be lawful if that jurisdiction were a state. The answer to both of these questions is no.

...

The word “request” in § 502(f)(2)(A) is significant. The president or the secretary of defense may ask a governor to deploy National Guard troops, but the governor is under no obligation to acquiesce. This reading is supported by 32 U.S.C. § 328, which makes clear that a governor is the party empowered to order National Guard troops to duty under either prong of § 502(f). A governor’s right to refuse was evident in the summer of 2020—the Trump administration asked a total of 15 governors to deploy their Guard personnel into Washington, but four declined to do so.

...

Moreover, regardless of Congress’s intent, deployments of the National Guard in Title 32 status must in all cases respect the co-equal and territorially limited sovereignty of the states. As a constitutional matter, the deployment of unfederalized Guard personnel into a nonconsenting state is never permissible. If the president wishes to unilaterally deploy military forces into a nonconsenting state, then they must do so through the statutory mechanism that Congress has provided for this purpose since 1792: the Insurrection Act. [emphasis added]

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/presidents-power-call-out-national-guard-not-blank-check

 

That's one opinion...

 

I wonder if Gov George Wallace agreed to having federal troops?

 

 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

That's probably already happening. Camp Pendleton is just up the road from LA. Right up I-5. Depending on the rush hour traffic, it could be a quick trip. Maybe a one hour drive. I'm not sure they'd divert traffic on that segment of I-5, and the only time it really quiets down is about 3-4AM. I used to live in Del Mar, close enough to I-5 that I could hear the traffic at rush hour, and notice its absence very late at night.  Anyway, don't think there Marines couldn't show up on short notice. 

The insurgents would block the roads similar to what their counterparts have done on city streets, bridges and access roads to airports! They’ve become tactical experts at this!

If the Marines come better to copter them in, especially when local law enforcement are suspect at helping to provide safety.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

"The law cited by Trump's proclamation places National Guard troops under federal command. The law says that can be done under three circumstances: When the U.S. is invaded or in danger of invasion; when there is a rebellion or danger of rebellion against the authority of the U.S. government, or when the President is unable to “execute the laws of the United States,” with regular forces.

 

But the law also says that orders for those purposes “shall be issued through the governors of the States.” It's not immediately clear if the president can activate National Guard troops without the order of that state's governor."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trumps-deployment-national-guard-troops-la-protests-122622792

 

From the same source above, the Civil Rights era National Guard deployments involved the president invoking the Insurrection Act, which is clearly the one legal scenario where the governor's consent is not required:

 

"The Insurrection Act and related laws were used during the Civil Rights era to protect activists and students desegregating schools. President Dwight Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock, Arkansas, to protect Black students integrating Central High School after that state’s governor activated the National Guard to keep the students out."

 

[JAG]

6 hours ago, jas007 said:

We all know who planned and orchestrated January 6, and it wasn't Trump.  He didn't incite anything.  It would be fun to watch, though, if they actually arrested and put on trial the people who did.  

So who was the fat bloke in the black overcoat who stood outside the White House on January 6th 2021 and told the crowd to march on the Capitol and fight?

[cjinchiangrai]

21 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Proof of your claim please.

SCOTUS

[impulse]

31 minutes ago, JAG said:

So who was the fat bloke in the black overcoat who stood outside the White House on January 6th 2021 and told the crowd to march on the Capitol and fight?

 

Ray Epps.

 

Trump told them to peacefully and patriotically march over and let their voices be heard.

 

[Mike_Hunt]

18 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That's one opinion...

 

I wonder if Gov George Wallace agreed to having federal troops?

 

 

Good question.   

 

No, Governor George Wallace did  not agree to having federal troops intervene at the University of Alabama to enforce desegregation in June 1963. Instead, President John F. Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard troops and deployed them to the university to force its desegregation, according to the History Channel. Wallace had little choice but to yield to the federal pressure and step aside, allowing Vivian Malone and James Hood to register for classes. This event, known as the "Stand in the Schoolhouse Door," was a symbolic attempt by Wallace to uphold segregation. 

 

Later in September 1963, Wallace again tried to block desegregation at a public school in Tuskegee, Alabama, but President Kennedy once more used his executive authority to federalize National Guard troops, and Wallace again had to yield

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However, there is an interesting historical footnote concerning the Selma-to-Montgomery marches in 1965: In this case, History.com recounts that Governor Wallace initially refused to call out the Alabama National Guard to protect civil rights marchers, but then demanded that President Lyndon B. Johnson send in federal troops instead. Furious, Johnson refused and instead federalized the Guard himself, stating that because Wallace refused to use the available troops, Johnson was calling them up to ensure order. 

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, JAG said:

So who was the fat bloke in the black overcoat who stood outside the White House on January 6th 2021 and told the crowd to march on the Capitol and fight?

You left out the peacefully and patriotically part. But that's okay, you're a leftist, so you can lie however you see fit, yes? 

 

Your press tells you the lie, and you regurgitate the lie, it as a good party member should. 

[blaze master]

16 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

SCOTUS

 

I see you also have trouble reading. The poster said many. I simply asked for proof that many were disappearing. I also stated that it wasn't about this one particular case.

 

Proof that MANY are disappearing please or your comment is a mute point as well. 

 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

I see you also have trouble reading. The poster said many. I simply asked for proof that many were disappearing. I also stated that it wasn't about this one particular case.

 

Proof that MANY are disappearing please or your comment is a mute point as well. 

 

The leftist woke cultists: Ignorant, arrogant and incompetent. 

[blaze master]

20 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

rebellion against the authority of the U.S. government,

 

This is exactly what is happening in California right now.  

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

The leftist woke cultists: Ignorant, arrogant and incompetent. 

 

Mr t silently faded away and failed to answer after my follow up. 

 

He knows I'm right but can't bring himself to admit it. Yes the 1 case is present. Not many.  Thats simply not true.Or if it is true as I asked. Provide proof. 

 

None of which has been given.

[impulse]

Score one for JD Vance...

 

Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil.

 

— JD Vance (@JDVance) June 8, 2025

 

I wonder if the idiot protestors carrying Mexican flags realize that looks a lot like a foreign invasion.  Which, of course, would trigger a military response.

 

Seems like an own goal, eh?

 

[JAG]

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You left out the peacefully and patriotically part. But that's okay, you're a leftist, so you can lie however you see fit, yes? 

 

Your press tells you the lie, and you regurgitate the lie, it as a good party member should. 

Oh gracious me, here we go again, the inevitable accusations of lying because I say or point out something you dont like!

 

When my daughter was 6 she used to shout liar whenever she was told no; she grew out of it after a year or so. Some people obviously never do!

[impulse]

23 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Furious, Johnson refused and instead federalized the Guard himself, stating that because Wallace refused to use the available troops, Johnson was calling them up to ensure order. 

 

Just to be clear...  Johnson was a Democrat, correct?

 

[frank83628]

I happened to listen to the bbc news today they interviewed a protester who said 'we're here to defend the illegals' thatvwas their choice, rather han an ice officer that was there doing a government job 

[riclag]

21 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

This is exactly what is happening in California right now.  

You notice the difference ,Hegseth calls them for what they are criminal illegal aliens. The far left radicals call them immigrants!

 

[riclag]

30 minutes ago, impulse said:

Score one for JD Vance...

 

Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil.

 

— JD Vance (@JDVance) June 8, 2025

 

I wonder if the idiot protestors carrying Mexican flags realize that looks a lot like a foreign invasion.  Which, of course, would trigger a military response.

 

Seems like an own goal, eh?

 

Steven Miller got you covered as he responded to the Party for Socialism & Liberation movement.

 

 

[impulse]

10 minutes ago, riclag said:

Steven Miller got you covered as he responded to the Party for Socialism & Liberation movement.

 

Attacking federal agents while carrying foreign flags.  Looks like a foreign invasion to most reasonable people. 

 

Calling in the Marines seems like the prudent thing to do...  To repel the invasion.

 

Edit:  I just hope they stop at San Diego and don't go south and take Baja.  Though that would probably be great for residents there.  They'd see quite the improvement to their living standard.

 

 

[riclag]

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Attacking federal agents while carrying foreign flags.  Looks like a foreign invasion to most reasonable people. 

 

Calling in the Marines seems like the prudent thing to do...  To repel the invasion.

 

 I suggest a better Local police response in the near future and less dem opposing threats or
 

Grok:

Can the marines be used during a insurrection? 

Yes, the U.S. government can use the Marines during an insurrection under certain conditions. The Insurrection Act of 1807 allows the President to deploy military forces, including the Marines, to suppress domestic insurrections, rebellions, or unlawful obstructions of federal law when requested by a state or when federal authority is directly challenged. This authority is outlined in 10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255. The President must issue a proclamation ordering insurgents to disperse before deploying troops, as seen in historical examples like the Whiskey Rebellion or the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, blaze master said:

 

I see you also have trouble reading. The poster said many. I simply asked for proof that many were disappearing. I also stated that it wasn't about this one particular case.

 

Proof that MANY are disappearing please or your comment is a mute point as well. 

 

We don't know because there are no hearings, just hate filled accusations.

[riclag]

What a difference in Attorney General’s 

Barr vs Bondi.