RFK Jr.: HHS Moves to Restore Public Trust in Vaccines

[rattlesnake]

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The quicker this vaccine and drug fraud is exposed the better for the health of Americans.

 

And everyone else in the world.

[still kicking]

2 hours ago, bubblegum said:

I'm so happy not to be American !

So am I. I had four COVID shots, plus flu and shingles the same day in the same arm. Where are my side effects?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

RFK Jr. guts the U.S. vaccine policy committee

The system is becoming unrecognizable

 

"In an unprecedented and deeply alarming move, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has removed every single member of the nation’s vaccine policy committee—the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)—and announced plans to handpick their replacements.

 

In other words, someone with an established track record of ignoring reality made the unilateral, ideological decision to gut one of the most trusted and effective pillars of America’s vaccine infrastructure. A system that helped eliminate smallpox, drastically reduce childhood diseases, safeguard schools, expand insurance coverage, and save millions of lives. A system that empowered 90% of Americans to protect their children and families confidently. [emphasis added]

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The Secretary of Health (a man named one of the Disinformation Dozen by the Center for Countering Digital Hate) now controls the levers of federal vaccine policy and is pulling them fast based on his decades of false beliefs about vaccines."

 

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https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/rfk-jr-guts-the-us-vaccine-policy

 

 

Your Local Epidemiologist (YLE) is founded and operated by Dr. Katelyn Jetelina, MPH PhD. YLE is a public health newsletter that reaches over 380,000 people in more than 132 countries, with one goal: to translate the ever-evolving public health science so that people are well-equipped to make evidence-based decisions.

[ViajeroLA]

 It's interesting. why before covid bs there weren't any vaccine fanboys? 🤣 wtf these injections (or wearing face mask "for health"?) did to some ppl is just unbelievable... damn it will be intriguing AF how they'll call all this stupid 💩 in future 🤔

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Viewpoint: RFK's reckless firing of CDC vaccine advisors not supported by evidence

Vaccine Integrity Project Staff and Advisors

 

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Part of a troubling pattern

"Kennedy's rationale, laid out in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece, was based on a series of inaccuracies, calling the ACIP "little more than a rubber stamp for any vaccine," and made accusations with little actual evidence, claiming it is "plagued by persistent conflicts of interest." 

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As standard protocol, members must declare conflicts at the start of every meeting and must recuse themselves from matters in which a conflict could influence their actions. The only "proof" Kennedy offered on conflicts of interest were oversight reports on investigated activities from at least 18 years ago.

 

Yesterday's announcement follows a pattern for Kennedy and the agency that he oversees: With no transparency, the little evidence provided in support of policy changes is selective, and data are retrofitted to support decisions that dovetail with Kennedy’s personal views." 

 

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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/viewpoint-rfks-reckless-firing-cdc-vaccine-advisors-not-supported-evidence

 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, ViajeroLA said:

 It's interesting. why before covid bs there weren't any vaccine fanboys? 🤣 wtf these injections (or wearing face mask "for health"?) did to some ppl is just unbelievable...

 

Its the silliness of such comments that makes any anti-vax argument so weak...  Seriously... “Vaccine fan-boys”?

.... That’s your shot?....   You’ve just face-planted into the intellectual gutter with a phrase so moronic it makes flat-earthers look insightful. This isn’t some Apple vs Samsung or PlayStation vs Xbox pis$ing match....

 

Even the madder more bonkers corners of the anti-vax swamp have more rhetorical self-respect than to coin something this cretinous. You’ve embarrassed yourself so thoroughly its pitiful and catastrophically dim.

 

3 hours ago, ViajeroLA said:

damn it will be intriguing AF how they'll call all this stupid 💩 in future 🤔

 

Well… vaccines have saved more lives than your entire bloodline could ruin in ten lifetimes. So while you’re hurling playground-level fluctardery like it’s some divine revelation, just remember – you'll have vaccines to thank that most are around to make that observation... 

 

And wouldn’t it be fascinating to give the anti-vaxxers their own little utopia? All the resources they claim to need – except vaccines. Let them live freely, generation after generation, and see what happens. Maybe they’re right, and virus-borne diseases were just a Big Pharma bedtime story. Or maybe nature will remind them, in full technicolour horror, what happens when you swap science for the smug ignorance of idiocy.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, still kicking said:

So am I. I had four COVID shots, plus flu and shingles the same day in the same arm. Where are my side effects?

 

If a few million of you did the same... someone would have an adverse reaction...    and thats a 'smoking gun' for the anti-vaxxers.... 

 

The vaccine anaphylaxis rate is approximately 1 to 2 cases per million doses administered.

Deaths: estimated at far less than 1 per million doses.

 

 

And stay away from orange Juice - as about 100 to 200 people out of every 100,000 have an allergy to that nasty stuff.

 

Dont take Penicillin... about 0.1 to 0.5 out of 1Million people die each year taking that....   where are the anti-antibotixxers ??

 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More fallout from RFK Jr's latest outrage:

I take it that the above is your words. Sometimes hard to tell with your lengthy posts Sir.

 

My take is that RFK jr, is partly on the right track. This latest is a positive move. What about getting Drs Kaufman, Tenpenny and Cowan in the team?

[Red Phoenix]

13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

RFK Jr.'s "restoring public trust" in vaccines is anti-vaxer code for gutting the CDC's expert, independent experts advisory panel (ACIP) that has long advised on COVID vaccine policy.

 

Hahaha, the Masked Bulldog having a tantrum over the sacking of the entire ACIP.  

Here is an excerpt of what RFK jr wrote in his Opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal > https://archive.is/20250609221053/https://www.wsj.com/opinion/rfk-jr-hhs-moves-to-restore-public-trust-in-vaccines-45495112#selection-2763.157-2763.632

 

> The committee has been plagued with persistent conflicts of interest and has become little more than a rubber stamp for any vaccine.

It has never recommended against a vaccine—even those later withdrawn for safety reasons.

It has failed to scrutinize vaccine products given to babies and pregnant women.

To make matters worse, the groups that inform ACIP meet behind closed doors, violating the legal and ethical principle of transparency crucial to maintaining public trust.

 

And somehow you consider sacking a committee with such abysmal track-record, and replacing it with non-compromised independent and qualified members, "a very very scary situation".  

Do provide real arguments instead of shouting anti-vaxxer slogans and posting Big-Pharma sponsored propaganda articles, why the sky would be falling because of that long-overdue clean-up.  

[Stiddle Mump]

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Hahaha, the Masked Bulldog having a tantrum over the sacking of the entire ACIP.  

Here is an excerpt of what RFK jr wrote in his Opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal > https://archive.is/20250609221053/https://www.wsj.com/opinion/rfk-jr-hhs-moves-to-restore-public-trust-in-vaccines-45495112#selection-2763.157-2763.632

 

> The committee has been plagued with persistent conflicts of interest and has become little more than a rubber stamp for any vaccine.

It has never recommended against a vaccine—even those later withdrawn for safety reasons.

It has failed to scrutinize vaccine products given to babies and pregnant women.

To make matters worse, the groups that inform ACIP meet behind closed doors, violating the legal and ethical principle of transparency crucial to maintaining public trust.

 

And somehow you consider sacking a committee with such abysmal track-record, and replacing it with non-compromised independent and qualified members, "a very very scary situation".  

Do provide real arguments instead of shouting anti-vaxxer slogans and posting Big-Pharma sponsored propaganda articles, why the sky would be falling because of that long-overdue clean-up.  

He is giving it a go.

 

I'd like to see RFK jr get to grips with the 'CDC Cover ups'. The way forward to restore credibility is to uncover the truth.

[nausea]

I am fairly confident about traditional vaccines, but these experimental Covid vaccines are a different kettle of fish altogether.

[Rimmer]

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

> The committee has been plagued with persistent conflicts of interest and has become little more than a rubber stamp for any vaccine.

It has never recommended against a vaccine—even those later withdrawn for safety reasons.

It has failed to scrutinize vaccine products given to babies and pregnant women.

To make matters worse, the groups that inform ACIP meet behind closed doors, violating the legal and ethical principle of transparency crucial to maintaining public trust.

 

 

What a bunch of nonsense doo-doo from one of the biggest health misinformation purveyors in the world.... No, not RP, although he's trying, but RFK Jr.  As for the false nonsense claims raised above:

 

 

Is there really a conflict of interest issue?

"In RFK Jr.’s op-ed, he stated that the ACIP committee members all have serious conflicts of interest that impact their vaccine decision-making. However, the data he cites is 15-25 years old and is missing critical context. For example, he specifically cites a 2009 report. However, he failed to give the true context of this report. The report focused on all 17 CDC advisory committees, not just ACIP. The report did NOT find serious conflicts of interest. Instead, it showed that many forms (97%) had errors and omissions due to form errors, such as putting information in the wrong sections, or failing to initial and date in the correct places."

 

AND

 

"The evidence directly contradicts Kennedy’s claims. Recent independent investigations into ACIP members since Kennedy began making these accusations have found no substantial conflicts or disclosure errors. The statement also failed to acknowledge that there already is a public conflict of interest policy that all ACIP members must adhere to– in fact, it is one of the most stringent in government."

 

In short, as usual, RFK Jr. is hawking made-up or misleading B.S. to justify his attempt to replace scientific expertise with political ideology.

 

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As for RFK Jr.'s claims that the ACIP group is a rubber stamp for vaccines and has never recommended against a vaccine, that's wrong also... And it also fails to recognize that vaccines only get to ACIP for consideration AFTER they've already had clinical trials and been vetted and approved [or not] by the sister agency Food and Drug Administration, meaning vaccine candidates with issues/problems typically are going to be washed out before they ever get to the ACIP.

 

But that aside, responding to Kennedy's claim, once again misinformation nonsense:

 

"The committee has recommended against vaccines or given very restricted recommendations. For example, they recommended against the live attenuated influenza vaccine (nasal spray) in the 2016-2017 vaccine season, even though orders had already been placed, due to concerns that it was not effective enough. They narrowed their recommendation for the Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine, advising preferential use of other vaccines after reports of rare blood clotting side effects. They also restricted the dengue virus vaccine to those of a certain age, in specific locations, with documented prior infection."

 

The above quotes from the blog Unbiased Science:

https://theunbiasedscipod.substack.com/p/the-acip-purge-science-vs-ideology

 

So once again, Kennedy is living "down" to his past recognition as one of the "Disinformation Dozen" -- one of the worst, most prolific spreaders of vaccine misinformation in the U.S. And he's now continuing in that role, sadly, as the U.S. HHS secretary appointed by Donald Trump.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The Disinformation Dozen

Why platforms must act on twelve leading online anti-vaxxers

March 24, 2021

 

"Just twelve anti-vaxxers are responsible for almost two-thirds of anti‑vaccine content circulating on social media platforms. This new analysis of content posted or shared to social media over 812,000 times between February and March uncovers how a tiny group of determined anti-vaxxers is responsible for a tidal wave of disinformation—and shows how platforms can fix it by enforcing their standards."

 

 

https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/210324-The-Disinformation-Dozen.pdf

 

The Center for Countering Digital Hate is a not-for-profit NGO that seeks to disrupt the architecture of online hate and misinformation.

 

 

In short, if RFK is talking or writing about vaccines, the chances are pretty good that much of what he's laying out is misinformation, misleading, mischaracterized and sometimes even made-up nonsense.

 

He may now have the title of U.S. HHS secretary thanks to Donald Trump, but that hasn't changed his core persona as a vaccines misinformation spreader.  When it comes to vaccines, he's simply NOT to be believed, period.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The American medical and public health communities are speaking out loud and strong against the anti-vax nonsense being put forward by RFK Jr.:

 

Response by the American Academy of Pediatrics:

 

AAP Statement on Changes to Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices

“The American Academy of Pediatrics is deeply troubled and alarmed by Secretary Kennedy’s mass firing of all 17 experts on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. This unprecedented action, against the backdrop of contradictory announcements from the Administration in recent days about vaccines, will cause even more confusion and uncertainty for families. 

“We are witnessing an escalating effort by the Administration to silence independent medical expertise and stoke distrust in lifesaving vaccines. Creating confusion around proven vaccines endangers families' health and contributes to the spread of preventable diseases. This move undermines the trust pediatricians have built over decades with our patients and leaves us without critical scientific expertise we rely on. [emphasis added]
  
Children and families must be able to access the immunizations they need to stay healthy. Our vaccine infrastructure must include this critical step of nonpartisan, expert review and discussion of the science and clinical recommendations for individual vaccines. Families and children will be the ones to pay the price for this decision.” 

 

https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2025/aap-statement-on-changes-to-advisory-committee-on-immunization-practices/

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Statement by the American Medical Association:

 

AMA statement on Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices

“For generations, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) has been a trusted national source of science-and data-driven advice and guidance on the use of vaccines to prevent and control disease. Physicians, parents, community leaders and public health officials rely on them for clinical guidance, public health information, and knowledge. Today’s action to remove the 17 sitting members of ACIP undermines that trust and upends a transparent process that has saved countless lives. With an ongoing measles outbreak and routine child vaccination rates declining, this move will further fuel the spread of vaccine-preventable illnesses.” [emphasis added]

 

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/ama-press-releases/ama-statement-advisory-committee-immunization-practices

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Statement by the American Public Health Association:

 

Trump administration attempts coup of the Advisory Committees on Immunization Practices

"The Trump administration's action to "retire" all members of ACIP and install a new slate, instead of allowing people to finish their term, is a coup. Today’s ACIP members are some of the most qualified individuals to evaluate vaccines. They possess deep understanding of science and were vetted for conflicts of interest prior to appointment. Removing all ACIP members at once is not how democracies work and it’s not good for the health of the nation. RFK says he wants to restore trust and transparency. This action immediately raises concern over the ability of any slate of committee members appointed by the Trump administration to be viewed as impartial to RFK's views on any decision, and therefore their actions will be suspect and likely mistrusted." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.apha.org/news-and-media/news-releases/apha-news-releases/trump-coup-of-acip

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

RFK Jr’s ‘clean sweep’ of CDC vaccine panel experts will erode public trust

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"Dr Tom Frieden, president and CEO of the public health non-profit Resolve to Save Lives and a former CDC director, said in a statement on X that Kennedy’s decision to remove the “seventeen dedicated doctors, pediatricians, scientists, and parents who served on [ACIP]” is “a dangerous and unprecedented action that makes our families less safe”. [emphasis added]

 

“ACIP has long been a model for the world of transparent, fact-based guidance with rigorous reviews of vaccine safety and effectiveness,” Frieden said. “Make no mistake: politicizing the ACIP as Secretary Kennedy is doing will undermine public trust under the guise of improving it.” [emphasis added]

 

Frieden’s comments were echoed by scientists, doctors and public health leaders, many of whom questioned Kennedy’s own conflicts of interest. Before becoming secretary, Kennedy led arguably the world’s most influential anti-vaccine advocacy group and was paid by personal injury law firms for referring alleged victims of vaccine injuries."

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/10/rfk-jr-cdc-vaccine-panel