Middle East Israel’s Strikes on Iran’s Nuclear Program Is a Necessary Defense Against a Global Threat

[hotsun]

41 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

So new Muslims entering into Europe is a problem ?  Look, Israel might convert Tehran into Gaza, but no way can Israel stop the new Muslims entering into Europe.
Actually, Israel converting Gaza and Tehran into rubble might increase the number of Muslims entering into Europe. Is Israel concerned about two million people in Gaza moving into Europe and Britain ?  I don't think Israel is really that concerned.

Europe seems to be willing to take them in regardless of what israel does. Im saying in the future they may need israel to get them out

[ZigM]

Wow, some of the armchair commentators here are such experts on the topic so that I'd better not comment for fear of being ridiculed.

[Mr Meeseeks]

I'm in KL at the moment and half the Middle East is here, along with Pakistan and Bangladesh. 🤢

 

I hope they enjoy seeing Israel dishing out a spanking to their Islamic brethren. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

10 hours ago, coolcarer said:

They were out in London at the weekend, waving their Iranian flags. Confirming their support fora state sponsor of terrorism. Pathetic

 

I hope MI5 were adding them to their list. 

 

Prime candidates once the deportations and remigration begins.

[connda]

"The War Against Iran," is being rolled out just like "The War Against Iraq."
Virtually the same language is being used.
22 years ago:  "Saddam and Iraq have weapons of mass destruction and must be stopped."
Today: "The Supreme leader and Iran have nuclear bombs and must be stopped."

General Westley Clark called it in a 2007 Democracy Now interview.¹  7 nations to be destroyed in 5 years.  Iran is the final one, it's just 20 year behind schedule.
Once more we are led into war.  This time around it won't remain a regional war. Those incapable of understanding this are about as dense as a sack of oil-drenched sand."

And you'll cheer and celebrate when the war arrives because you are truly fools.

 

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo6u9DpASp8

 

[nightfox]

I'm currently boots on the ground in Israel visiting family while waiting for the airport to open so I can go back to Thailand. All I can say it's pretty surreal hear at the moment with missiles raining down every day.  Iran on the second hand is getting a beating like they have never imagined as the damage Israel has done to them in 1 week took Russia 3.5 years to do in Ukraine.

 

Army is saying here that it will take them another 1-2 weeks to accomplish their goals and end this war which in that time there will be nothing left of Iran.

[ericbj]

The official narrative seems to avoid certain facts, if one can judge from a long article by David Stockman, who was an economic advisor to President Reagan.  Below are some excerpts from his article:
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What in the hell is the Donald doing bringing America to the brink of yet another Forever War against a country that is in no way, shape or form a threat to the Homeland Security of the United States?

Around 90 days ago, … Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, made it very clear that there is no Iranian “breakout” that even remotely justifies Israel’s blatant act of war:  “We continue to assess Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and that Supreme Leader Khamenei has not reauthorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003,”
… [Y]et another reiteration of what the national intelligence community has been consistently saying since 2007. … {T]hese periodic NIEs [National Intelligence Estimates] represent a consensus of all 17 US intelligence agencies on salient issues. … “We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program...”

Moreover, the documentary proof of that statement was thoroughly investigated by the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) after the 2015 Obama nuke deal. The latter gave the IAEA full access to Iran’s facilities and records. Its report then re-validated that the Iranian weapons program was indeed disbanded in 2003.

Iran is a nearly bankrupt country that has no capability whatsoever … to threaten the security and safety of the citizens of Spokane WA, Peoria IL or anywhere else in the USA.  Its $425 billion GDP is the size of Indiana’s; its 500,000 man military is only slightly larger than the US national guard …; and its $25 billion defense budget amounts to just 2.5% of US defense spending.
[T]he Iranians at Lausanne (where the Obama deal was negotiated) gave up almost all of what they had. That is, they made huge concessions on nearly every issue that makes a difference including the number of permitted centrifuges at Natanz, the status of the Fordow and Arak nuclear facilities, the disposition of their enriched uranium stockpiles, the intrusiveness and scope of the inspections regime and on the matter of Iran’s so-called “breakout” capacity.

While every signatory of the non-proliferation treaty has the right to civilian enrichment, Iran had agreed to reduce the number of centrifuges by 70% from 20,000 to 6,000 and actually did so after the deal took effect. Moreover, its effective enrichment capacity had been reduced by significantly more because the remaining Natanz centrifuges consisted exclusively of its most rudimentary, outdated equipment — first-generation IR-1 knockoffs of 1970s European models.

Not only was Iran not allowed to build or develop newer centrifuge models, but even those remaining were permitted to enrich uranium to a limit of only 3.75% purity. That is to say, to the generation of fissile material for power plants that is not remotely capable of reaching bomb grade concentrations of 90%.

Equally importantly, the agreement eliminated enrichment activity entirely at Fordow. The latter was Iran’s only truly advanced, hardened site that could withstand an onslaught of Israeli or US bunker busters, and it was agreed that zero enrichment activity would take place there, subject to full IAEA inspection. Instead, Fordow became a small time underground science lab devoted to medical isotope research and crawling with international inspectors.

The disposition of the heavy water reactor at Arak was even more dispositive. For years, the War Party had falsely waved the bloody shirt of “plutonium”. That is, the civilian nuclear reactor being built there was of Canadian “heavy water” design rather than GE or Westinghouse “light water” model. Accordingly, when finished it would have generated plutonium as a waste product rather than conventional spent nuclear fuel rods.

In truth, the Iranians couldn’t have bombed a beehive with the Arak plutonium because you need a reprocessing plant to convert it into bomb grade material. Needless to say, Iran had no such plant, no plan to build one, and no prospect for getting the requisite technology and equipment.

But even that bogeyman was dispatched by the Obama nuke deal that the Donald saw fit to <deleted> can the first time around. The 2015 deal required Iran to destroy or export the heavy water reactor core of its existing plant and replace it with a core that cannot produce material which can be reprocessed into weapons grade plutonium. All of these requirements were subject to rigorous international inspection and, in fact, were actually complied with before Trump canceled the deal.

As to its already extant enriched uranium stock piles, including some 20% medical-grade material, 97% of this material was to be disposed of, and that requirement was complied with, too. Iran ended up retaining only 300 kilograms of its 10,000 kilogram stockpile—an amount that could be readily stored in the Donald’s wine cellar at Mar-a-Lago.

The deal’s real clincher, however, had been Iran’s agreement to what amounted to a 20-year cradle-to-grave inspection regime encompassing the entire nuclear fuel chain. International inspectors were allowed to visit Iran’s uranium mines and milling and fuel preparation operations; its enrichment equipment manufacturing and fabrication plants; and the storage facilities for its centrifuge rotors and bellows production.

Beyond that, Iran had also agreed to and had complied with a robust program of inspections to prevent smuggling of materials into the country to illicit sites outside of the framework facilities. That encompassed imports of nuclear fuel cycle equipment and materials, including so-called “dual use” items which are essentially civilian imports that could be repurposed to nuclear uses, even peaceful domestic power generation.

In short, even a Houdini could not have secretly broken-out of the box contained in the 2015 agreement and then confronted the world with some kind of fait accompli threat to use the bomb.
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Needless to say, to have <deleted>-canned the 2015 agreement you needed to be a raging, certifiable, paranoid boob, at best. Or something very different than the America First champion so loudly advertised by the Donald himself.

So in canceling the deal, what Trump really did was embrace the immense tissue of unwarranted demonization of Iran that the Empire Firsters had fabricated over the course of three decades. And now after unilaterally abrogating the 2015 deal and slapping brutal sanctions on Iran that has left its economy badly bruised, it is claimed that in recent months the Iranians have not complied with the agreement Trump canceled, and have therefore been sanctioned by the IAEA.

Well, for crying out loud, why would they?! Iran isn’t living up to the letter of the Nuclear nonproliferation treaty perhaps because Israel, which isn’t even a signatory and which has some 200 odd nukes illegally, has threatened to obliterate even the remnant of a civilian nuclear program that Tehran still possesses.
…
The fact is, Trump could have told Netanyahu that if he proceeded with the attack right in the middle of his negotiations to revive the nuke deal, then the $4 billion per year of US aid would be cut off, no munitions or spare parts would be supplied to the IDF and the US would introduce in the UN a resolution condemning any Israeli attack.
Needless to say, that would have stopped this chapter of the Forever Wars cold. But, instead, we are now stumbling into a far more dangerous conflagration than ever before — all on the basis of the “breakout” lie that has been promulgated by the neocons and Israel Firsters for decades now.

[Hawaiian]

47 minutes ago, nightfox said:

I'm currently boots on the ground in Israel visiting family while waiting for the airport to open so I can go back to Thailand. All I can say it's pretty surreal hear at the moment with missiles raining down every day.  Iran on the second hand is getting a beating like they have never imagined as the damage Israel has done to them in 1 week took Russia 3.5 years to do in Ukraine.

 

Army is saying here that it will take them another 1-2 weeks to accomplish their goals and end this war which in that time there will be nothing left of Iran.

First of all, have a safe trip back to Thailand.  I agree with your assessment of the situation.  Israel has suffered some casualties, but as each day goes by Iran's ability to fire missiles and launch drones will diminish and hopefully stop completely.  Israel needs to finish the job.  In the end the free world will benefit from a ruined Iran.  I believe regime change is inevitable.  Iran's proxies will be neutered as their weapons supply chains are cut off.  

[Hawaiian]

23 minutes ago, ericbj said:

The official narrative seems to avoid certain facts, if one can judge from a long article by David Stockman, who was an economic advisor to President Reagan.  Below are some excerpts from his article:
-------------------------------------

What in the hell is the Donald doing bringing America to the brink of yet another Forever War against a country that is in no way, shape or form a threat to the Homeland Security of the United States?

Around 90 days ago, … Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, made it very clear that there is no Iranian “breakout” that even remotely justifies Israel’s blatant act of war:  “We continue to assess Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and that Supreme Leader Khamenei has not reauthorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003,”
… [Y]et another reiteration of what the national intelligence community has been consistently saying since 2007. … {T]hese periodic NIEs [National Intelligence Estimates] represent a consensus of all 17 US intelligence agencies on salient issues. … “We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program...”

Moreover, the documentary proof of that statement was thoroughly investigated by the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) after the 2015 Obama nuke deal. The latter gave the IAEA full access to Iran’s facilities and records. Its report then re-validated that the Iranian weapons program was indeed disbanded in 2003.

Iran is a nearly bankrupt country that has no capability whatsoever … to threaten the security and safety of the citizens of Spokane WA, Peoria IL or anywhere else in the USA.  Its $425 billion GDP is the size of Indiana’s; its 500,000 man military is only slightly larger than the US national guard …; and its $25 billion defense budget amounts to just 2.5% of US defense spending.
[T]he Iranians at Lausanne (where the Obama deal was negotiated) gave up almost all of what they had. That is, they made huge concessions on nearly every issue that makes a difference including the number of permitted centrifuges at Natanz, the status of the Fordow and Arak nuclear facilities, the disposition of their enriched uranium stockpiles, the intrusiveness and scope of the inspections regime and on the matter of Iran’s so-called “breakout” capacity.

While every signatory of the non-proliferation treaty has the right to civilian enrichment, Iran had agreed to reduce the number of centrifuges by 70% from 20,000 to 6,000 and actually did so after the deal took effect. Moreover, its effective enrichment capacity had been reduced by significantly more because the remaining Natanz centrifuges consisted exclusively of its most rudimentary, outdated equipment — first-generation IR-1 knockoffs of 1970s European models.

Not only was Iran not allowed to build or develop newer centrifuge models, but even those remaining were permitted to enrich uranium to a limit of only 3.75% purity. That is to say, to the generation of fissile material for power plants that is not remotely capable of reaching bomb grade concentrations of 90%.

Equally importantly, the agreement eliminated enrichment activity entirely at Fordow. The latter was Iran’s only truly advanced, hardened site that could withstand an onslaught of Israeli or US bunker busters, and it was agreed that zero enrichment activity would take place there, subject to full IAEA inspection. Instead, Fordow became a small time underground science lab devoted to medical isotope research and crawling with international inspectors.

The disposition of the heavy water reactor at Arak was even more dispositive. For years, the War Party had falsely waved the bloody shirt of “plutonium”. That is, the civilian nuclear reactor being built there was of Canadian “heavy water” design rather than GE or Westinghouse “light water” model. Accordingly, when finished it would have generated plutonium as a waste product rather than conventional spent nuclear fuel rods.

In truth, the Iranians couldn’t have bombed a beehive with the Arak plutonium because you need a reprocessing plant to convert it into bomb grade material. Needless to say, Iran had no such plant, no plan to build one, and no prospect for getting the requisite technology and equipment.

But even that bogeyman was dispatched by the Obama nuke deal that the Donald saw fit to <deleted> can the first time around. The 2015 deal required Iran to destroy or export the heavy water reactor core of its existing plant and replace it with a core that cannot produce material which can be reprocessed into weapons grade plutonium. All of these requirements were subject to rigorous international inspection and, in fact, were actually complied with before Trump canceled the deal.

As to its already extant enriched uranium stock piles, including some 20% medical-grade material, 97% of this material was to be disposed of, and that requirement was complied with, too. Iran ended up retaining only 300 kilograms of its 10,000 kilogram stockpile—an amount that could be readily stored in the Donald’s wine cellar at Mar-a-Lago.

The deal’s real clincher, however, had been Iran’s agreement to what amounted to a 20-year cradle-to-grave inspection regime encompassing the entire nuclear fuel chain. International inspectors were allowed to visit Iran’s uranium mines and milling and fuel preparation operations; its enrichment equipment manufacturing and fabrication plants; and the storage facilities for its centrifuge rotors and bellows production.

Beyond that, Iran had also agreed to and had complied with a robust program of inspections to prevent smuggling of materials into the country to illicit sites outside of the framework facilities. That encompassed imports of nuclear fuel cycle equipment and materials, including so-called “dual use” items which are essentially civilian imports that could be repurposed to nuclear uses, even peaceful domestic power generation.

In short, even a Houdini could not have secretly broken-out of the box contained in the 2015 agreement and then confronted the world with some kind of fait accompli threat to use the bomb.
…
Needless to say, to have <deleted>-canned the 2015 agreement you needed to be a raging, certifiable, paranoid boob, at best. Or something very different than the America First champion so loudly advertised by the Donald himself.

So in canceling the deal, what Trump really did was embrace the immense tissue of unwarranted demonization of Iran that the Empire Firsters had fabricated over the course of three decades. And now after unilaterally abrogating the 2015 deal and slapping brutal sanctions on Iran that has left its economy badly bruised, it is claimed that in recent months the Iranians have not complied with the agreement Trump canceled, and have therefore been sanctioned by the IAEA.

Well, for crying out loud, why would they?! Iran isn’t living up to the letter of the Nuclear nonproliferation treaty perhaps because Israel, which isn’t even a signatory and which has some 200 odd nukes illegally, has threatened to obliterate even the remnant of a civilian nuclear program that Tehran still possesses.
…
The fact is, Trump could have told Netanyahu that if he proceeded with the attack right in the middle of his negotiations to revive the nuke deal, then the $4 billion per year of US aid would be cut off, no munitions or spare parts would be supplied to the IDF and the US would introduce in the UN a resolution condemning any Israeli attack.
Needless to say, that would have stopped this chapter of the Forever Wars cold. But, instead, we are now stumbling into a far more dangerous conflagration than ever before — all on the basis of the “breakout” lie that has been promulgated by the neocons and Israel Firsters for decades now.

Your post is filled with misinformation or else you have access to information no one seems to know about.