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And this is the guy who started the ball rolling. 

Fast forward 25+ years and the results are crystal clear.

Nice job Tony. :bah:

We won't  even talk about your other crime . :whistling:

 

 

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One of the many problems here in the UK  once an illegal migrant has failed his application to remain in the UK a human rights solicitor is quickly found to fight his deportation he Either disappears and is not located and remains here or his human rights lawyer says he will face severe punishment or death in his own country if he is deported. If i told you some of the cases that have come to light you would think i was totally B/S you. I'll give you one of many. A Afghan peodo raped a boy in court his Human rights lawyer said he will be given a death sentance if he returns to Afghanistan he won his case to remain here. Believe it or not one said it would his son would struggle because if he is deported he will be unable to eat Chicken Nuggets again he won his case.     

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1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

Sorry that the link didn't work for you. I just copied and posted the address in my browser and it worked ok so I'm not sure what is the problem.

 

According to government figures, +/-4,000 people were sleeping rough on the streets of the UK in Autumn 2023, although Shelter puts the figure at 12,000. I found both figures surprisingly low, but then my observation is based on London where most are congregated. Given the relative low figures, imo it should be possible to offer shelter to these individuals if they want it.

 

As I stated in one of my earlier posts, I don't think that there is an easy answer to the illegal migrant problem and I don't think Reform have the answers to the country's problems either. Guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree about that.

Yes we will, if only to stop these immigrants mostly of a certain faith coming in to the country on their rubber boats. Labour and Tories will not stop these immigrants who keep coming and raping our women and molesting our children. Even one raped woman and molested child is too much, but they still keep coming. This is going to cause all out war in the UK, you mark my words.

Only Reform are interested in stopping this.

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4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

One of the many problems here in the UK  once an illegal migrant has failed his application to remain in the UK a human rights solicitor is quickly found to fight his deportation

 

Dont forget the idiotic Judges, that really need removed from post

 

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Asylum seeker wins deportation reprieve over ‘beard-shaving fears’

The Tajikistani man was granted a reprieve from deportation after a judge ruled he could face arrest in his home country for refusing to remove his facial hair

 

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/asylum-seeker-stay-uk-beard-shaving-fear-rdjqbf30m

 

The lunatics really are, running the asylum.

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11 hours ago, RayC said:

Maybe it does but you have offered nothing to support the idea that your overly simplistic 'solutions' will cut boat crossings by anything like 95%

 

Why are numbers up by 50% since Starmer cancelled the Rwanda Act, given Royal Assent on 25 April 2024 ?
 

Because it was a deterrent.

 

And as anyone, with more than a single brain cell knows, any form of deterrent actually works.

 

As you can only produce excuses as to why something will not work. I can only assume that for reason known only to yourself, and all the other " Refugees Welcome " bampots, that you are all happy with the current influx of mostly fighting age males, and what some, myself included, would describe as economic warfare, being used against the UK.

 

 

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A Albanian convicted drug dealer was threatened with deportation once he is released from prison has won his appeal stating it will have a detrimental effect on his Son without a father figure guiding his upbringing true. The latest unbelievable story comes from a Qatari Camel Herder who not only left his Bedouin Tent in the Desert and was treated for a heart condition in London only to assault a female inside the hospital. watch this Amazing video I have posted.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

A Albanian convicted drug dealer was threatened with deportation once he is released from prison has won his appeal stating it will have a detrimental effect on his Son without a father figure guiding his upbringing true. The latest unbelievable story comes from a Qatari Camel Herder who not only left his Bedouin Tent in the Desert and was treated for a heart condition in London only to assault a female inside the hospital. watch this Amazing video I have posted.

 

 

Nigel Farage has made it one of his missions  to leave the ECHR so the English can deport foreign Criminals and failed Asylum Seekers. 

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19 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Nigel Farage has made it one of his missions  to leave the ECHR so the English can deport foreign Criminals and failed Asylum Seekers. 

 

He will also need to repeal the UK's HRA.

 

And I'm afraid that the chances of getting both of these through the HoC and the HoL, are slim to non existent.

 

A good example, of knowing how to box and knowing how to box clever.

 

And the clever boxer will put them at priority No1 & No2 on their election manifesto.

 

The clever boxer, right now, would also be calling for both to be suspended under the UK's National Security Act, until the boats are halted, the backlog cleared and those with no right to be in the UK, removed.

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5 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Why are numbers up by 50% since Starmer cancelled the Rwanda Act, given Royal Assent on 25 April 2024 ?
 

Because it was a deterrent.

 

And as anyone, with more than a single brain cell knows, any form of deterrent actually works.

 

As you can only produce excuses as to why something will not work. I can only assume that for reason known only to yourself, and all the other " Refugees Welcome " bampots, that you are all happy with the current influx of mostly fighting age males, and what some, myself included, would describe as economic warfare, being used against the UK.

 

 

 

Typical of you.

 

When challenged about potential flaws in one of your 'cure all' solutions for the problems faced by the UK, you do not address the points raised - presumably because you have no explanations - but instead launch into a personal attack and then top it off with some empty, bombastic rhetoric.

 

No, I don't have a solution to the illegal migration problem. I've said that all along. To admit that, "is allowed, you know" as Nigel Farage might reply.

 

You now have a choice: You can either 1) end this exchange 2) engage in polite discussion. It's possible; see my exchange with Noshowjones or 3) continue exchanging insults. Up to you. I'll go along with what you decide.

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31 minutes ago, RayC said:

Typical of you.

 

31 minutes ago, RayC said:

When challenged about potential flaws in one of your 'cure all' solutions for the problems faced by the UK, you do not address the points raised

 

Right, so instead of looking in a mirror, try answering the question.

 

5 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

Why are numbers up by 50% since Starmer cancelled the Rwanda Act, given Royal Assent on 25 April 2024 ?

 

Try explaining why what I have suggested, will ot act as a deterrent?

 

34 minutes ago, RayC said:

You now have a choice:

 

Do I really ?
 

For someone who just admitted that you have no answers. You certainly have a lot to say for yourself.

 

35 minutes ago, RayC said:

No, I don't have a solution to the illegal migration problem

 

I gave you one.

 

Which involved invoking the National Security Act.

 

You try explaining why it would not work. Instead of getting bombastic and offering nothing

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3 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

 

Right, so instead of looking in a mirror, try answering the question.

 

 

Try explaining why what I have suggested, will ot act as a deterrent?

 

Look back at our exchange throughout this thread and it is clear that I have answered your questions directly, something that you have completely failed to do with mine.

 

3 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Do I really ?
 

 

Yes you do have a choice. You can either keep things civil or be aggressive. Seems like you have made your choice.

 

Here's one fact for you. If you reply aggressively, condescendingly or rudely I will reply in kind.

 

3 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

For someone who just admitted that you have no answers. You certainly have a lot to say for yourself.

 

So just because I don't offer an easy solution to a complex problem, I'm not entitled to point out what I perceive as flaws in other solutions? Right.

 

3 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

I gave you one.

 

Which involved invoking the National Security Act.

 

You try explaining why it would not work. Instead of getting bombastic and offering nothing

 

See my previous posts for some of my questions about the use of camps on the south coast as a form of deterrent. (I have others but why don't you address the outstanding unanswered ones firstly).

 

Wrt to the use of the National Security Act as an enabler for your solution, there might be a legal problem in doing so. My interpretation of the AI generated text below is that it could only be used if individuals were known to be involved in acts which could threaten the UK. Given that there are no passenger lists for those arriving illegally by boat - i.e. their identities are unknown - from my layman's point of view, it's difficult to see how the National Security Act could be invoked in these circumstances.

 

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"While the National Security Act could be used in specific cases, it's not typically the primary mechanism for addressing illegal immigration. The UK has specific immigration laws and a Border Security, Asylum, and Immigration Bill focused on controlling and managing borders. The National Security Act primarily deals with threats to national security, such as terrorism, espionage, and serious organized crime, and could be invoked against individuals involved in such activities, regardless of their immigration status".

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11 minutes ago, RayC said:

So just because I don't offer an easy solution to a complex problem, I'm not entitled to point out what I perceive as flaws in other solutions? Right.

 

You can point out flaws in my solution, when you have read and understood the UK's National Security Act.

 

You might also want read into Military Aid to the Civil Authorities and when it can be invoked

 

If someone had a spine and a set of hairy swingers, the solution is easy.

 

21 minutes ago, RayC said:

The UK has specific immigration laws and a Border Security, Asylum, and Immigration Bill focused on controlling and managing borders.

 

Which is an abject failure

 

22 minutes ago, RayC said:

The National Security Act primarily deals with threats to national security, such as terrorism, espionage, and serious organized crime, and could be invoked against individuals involved in such activities,

 

Need a bit more reading, you missed this

 

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To protect the UK's democracy, economy, and values from foreign interference

 

Arguably, all 3 are under attack. Except if your name is Starmer and those like him.

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5 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You can point out flaws in my solution, when you have read and understood the UK's National Security Act.

 

You might also want read into Military Aid to the Civil Authorities and when it can be invoked

 

If someone had a spine and a set of hairy swingers, the solution is easy.

 

Which is an abject failure

 

Need a bit more reading, you missed this

 

Arguably, all 3 are under attack. Except if your name is Starmer and those like him.

 

I have neither the time nor inclination to read the National Security Act in its' original form but working on the assumption that AI has produced a good summation of it, I remain unconvinced that it would be the correct mechanism to enact your solution. At the very least, I'd imagine that its' use in this context  would be the subject of a legal challenge.

 

I didn't miss that statement i.e. "To protect the UK's democracy, economy, and values from foreign interference", I think that using this clause in the context of 'stopping the boats' would also be subject to a legal challenge.

 

I assume that my other questions posted throughout this thread will remain unanswered?

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Just now, RayC said:

have neither the time nor inclination to read the National Security Act

 

Then do not try and criticize what is a simple solution, and whining that it is unworkable.

 

1 minute ago, RayC said:

I assume that my other questions posted throughout this thread will remain unanswered?

 

How about answering why arrivals are up 50% since Starmer killed the Rwanda Act, which became British Law on the 25 April 2024 ?

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6 minutes ago, RayC said:

I'd imagine that its' use in this context  would be the subject of a legal challenge.

 

Nope

 

It may be subjected to a Judicial Review, which would most likely side with the Government.

 

No vexatious lawfare allowed.

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1 minute ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Then do not try and criticize what is a simple solution, and whining that it is unworkable.

 

Even if the National Security Act were to be invoked that does not solve the problem. My issues are with your solution concerning the setting up of camps on the south coast. 

 

I have posed questions to you about this potential solution throughout this thread and they remain unanswered.

 

1 minute ago, The Cyclist said:

How about answering why arrivals are up 50% since Starmer killed the Rwanda Act, which became British Law on the 25 April 2024 ?

 

How about addressing my unanswered questions contained throughout this thread before I address any more of yours?

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5 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Nope

 

It may be subjected to a Judicial Review, which would most likely side with the Government.

 

No vexatious lawfare allowed.

 

That is pure speculation. You cannot possibly know for a fact.

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1 minute ago, RayC said:

Even if the National Security Act were to be invoked that does not solve the problem. My issues are with your solution concerning the setting up of camps on the south coast. 

 

I see your issue. I never mentioned the South Coast.

 

I specifically said set up camps on military Training Areas. There is 1000's of acres to choose from.

 

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

How about addressing my unanswered questions contained throughout this thread before I address any more of yours?

 

I don't answer questions on your hypothetheticals.

 

I asked you to answer a factual question.

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2 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

That is pure speculation. You cannot possibly know for a fact.

 

Check it out for yourself then.

 

You know, sometimes people actually know what they are talking about.

 

Amazing eh

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4 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

I see your issue. I never mentioned the South Coast.

 

I specifically said set up camps on military Training Areas. There is 1000's of acres to choose from.

 

The location of the camps is totally irrelevant to my questions

 

4 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

I don't answer questions on your hypothetheticals.

 

I asked you to answer a factual question.

 

Your solution is a hypothetical so, of course, my questions about it are hypothetical.

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1 minute ago, RayC said:

The location of the camps is totally irrelevant to my questions

 

Are you struggling ?
 

You intimated that I suggested setting up camps on the South Coast

 

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

My issues are with your solution concerning the setting up of camps on the south coast. 

 

You invented an issue that did not exist.

 

Just like you invent excuses as to why something cannot, or will not work.

 

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Your solution is a hypothetical

 

No, it's not a hypothetical, its a very simple solution, by invoking the National Security Act and drafting in the Military under Military Aid to the ( failing ) Civil Authorities.

 

Because you are not familiar with what can be done, does not make it untrue.

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5 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Check it out for yourself then.

 

You know, sometimes people actually know what they are talking about.

 

Amazing eh

 

Are you are a lawyer specialising in constitutional or 'security' law? If so, then your replies might carry a bit more weight than the opinions of a layman like myself.

 

However, even if that is the case, you cannot possibly know that any legal challenge is doomed to fail. As I said, it is pure speculation.

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4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Are you are a lawyer specialising in constitutional or 'security' law? If so, then your replies might carry a bit more weight than the opinions of a layman like myself.

 

I never retired with a big fat, gold plated, index linked Government pension, because I worked in the DWP or similar.

 

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

However, even if that is the case, you cannot possibly know that any legal challenge is doomed to fail. As I said, it is pure speculation.

 

There is a world of difference between a legal challenge and a Judicial Review.

 

A Judicial review will always side with the Government when it comes to matters of National Security.

 

How is that for speculation ?

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Just now, The Cyclist said:

 

Are you struggling ?
 

 

No but you appear to be.

 

Just now, The Cyclist said:

You intimated that I suggested setting up camps on the South Coast

 

 

You invented an issue that did not exist.

 

As I explained the location is irrelevant to my questions.

 

Just now, The Cyclist said:

Just like you invent excuses as to why something cannot, or will not work.

 

No. I invented questions, not excuses, which you are unable and/or unwilling to answer.

 

Just now, The Cyclist said:

 

No, it's not a hypothetical, its a very simple solution, by invoking the National Security Act and drafting in the Military under Military Aid to the ( failing ) Civil Authorities.

 

It is hypothetical by definition. Your proposed solution is not currently operational.

 

Meanwhile, my questions about your proposed solution go unanswered.

 

Just now, The Cyclist said:

Because you are not familiar with what can be done, does not make it untrue.

 

Because you wish something to be true does not make it true.

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2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

I never retired with a big fat, gold plated, index linked Government pension, because I worked in the DWP or similar.

 

Where did that one come from? And what has it got to do with anything?

 

I've never mentioned anything about the sources of your income.

 

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

There is a world of difference between a legal challenge and a Judicial Review.

 

Semantics.

 

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

A Judicial review will always side with the Government when it comes to matters of National Security.

 

Once again, you cannot possibly know that for a fact.

 

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

How is that for speculation ?

 

It's good. You're right. It's speculation.

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Just now, RayC said:

Where did that one come from? And what has it got to do with anything?

 

Right here
 

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

Are you are a lawyer specialising in constitutional or 'security' law?

 

Are you bi-polar ?

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