Early assessment suggests US strikes didn’t destroy Iran’s nuclear sites

[illisdean]

19 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Pure deflection and a total avoidance of anything that doesn't conform to your confirmation bias. Read this although I'm sure you'll respond with a thumbs down and some deranged anti-Trump comment. Highly edited comments (lifted from the transcipt) from Hesgeth but of course I have linked the full video for reference above. I'm guessing you haven't watched one second of it.

i want to read some of the assessments that have been provided because whether it's fake news CNN MSNBC or the New York

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Times there's been faing coverage of a preliminary assessment i've had a chance

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to read it all every every outlet has breathlessly reported on a preliminary assessment from DIA i'm looking at it

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right now again it was preliminary a day and a half after the actual strike when it

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admits itself in writing that it requires weeks to accumulate the necessary data to make such an assessment it's preliminary it points

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out that it's not been coordinated with the intelligence community at all uh there's low confidence in this

16:35particular report there's it says in the report there are gaps in the information

but here's what other folks are saying the DIA that put that report out says this is a 

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preliminary low confidence report and will continue to be refined as additional intelligence becomes

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available how about the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission the devastating US strikes on

17:29Ford destroyed the site's critical infrastructure and rendered the enrichment facility inoperable

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how about this one this is a new one from the UN the United Nations no friend of the United

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States or certainly Israel often here's the head of the UN Atomic Energy Agency

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this morning Raphael Gi us and Israeli strikes caused enormous damage to Iran's

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nuclear sites don't take my word for it how about the IDF's chief of staff i can

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say here that the assessment is that we significantly damage the nuclear program setting it back by years i repeat years

john Radcliffe the director of the CIA putting out a statement just last night

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cia can confirm that a body of credible intelligence indicates Iran's nuclear program has been severely damaged by

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recent targeted strikes this includes new intelligence from a historically reliable very different than preliminary

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assessment with low confidence he's saying historically reliable and accurate source and method that several

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key Iranian nuclear facilities were destroyed and would have to be rebuilt

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over the course of years cia continues to collect additional reliably sourced

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information to keep appropriate decision makers fully informed how about DNI

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Telsey Gabbard yesterday she writes and I quote "New intelligence confirms what POTUS has stated numerous

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times iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed

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institute for Science and International Security President David Albbright overall Israel and US attacks have

19:29effectively destroyed UN Iran's centrifuge enrichment program time

 

The reality I live in which is obviously different to yours tells me that the US has the most powerful and sophisticated armed forces in the world with very, very, very advanced ways to collect intelligence and data. Again this thread, based on a report from CNN which in turn is based on bits of a leaked preliminary assessment is incorrect in it's assumption. You, however, a quite free to, and obviously will continue to, believe everything the MSM tells you.

 

[illisdean]

Fake news CNN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LosLobo]

15 hours ago, dinsdale said:

You clearly haven't seen the briefing. 2 people worked on taking out the Fordow facility for 15 years and the GBU-57 was developed out of this. The GBU-57 was developed specifically for Fordow.

No need to dismiss your spin — I already did that, in the part of my post you conveniently omitted. You regurgitating what I’ve already disproved won’t make it true.
 

Your boasted degree in science — albeit political — continues to fail you with your logic and reasoning:

• Ad Hominem / Argument from Ignorance – “You haven’t seen the briefing” = dodge, not proof.

• Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc – Two people studied Fordow, and the MOP exists — doesn’t mean one caused the other.

• Single-Cause Fallacy – Ignores that MOP was built for any deep bunker, not one site.

• Conflation – Tweaking fuse settings ≠ designing the bomb.

• False Dichotomy – It wasn’t built just for Fordow or for nothing; it was made for any hardened site — Fordow happened to qualify.

• Cherry-Picking – You clipped the parts of my post that dismantled your claim.

Faulty logic isn’t evidence — it just props up a myth.

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

No need to dismiss your spin — I already did that, in the part of my post you conveniently omitted. You regurgitating what I already disproved won’t make it true.

Your boasted degree in science — albeit political — continues to fail you with your logic and reasoning:

• Ad Hominem / Argument from Ignorance – “You haven’t seen the briefing” = dodge, not proof.

• Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc – Two people studied Fordow, and the MOP exists — doesn’t mean one caused the other.

• Single-Cause Fallacy – Ignores that MOP was built for any deep bunker, not just one site.

• Conflation – Tweaking fuse settings ≠ designing the bomb.

• False Dichotomy – It wasn’t built just for Fordow or for nothing. It was made for any hardened site — Fordow happened to qualify.

• Cherry-Picking – You clipped the parts of my post that dismantled your claim.

Faulty logic isn’t evidence — it just props up a myth.

“Along the way, they realized we did not have a weapon that could adequately strike and kill this target,” according to Caine. “So they began a journey to work with industry and other tacticians to develop the GBU-57.”

Which part of this do you not understand. It's not the chicken and egg conundrum. First came Fordow and then the weapon to destroy it, that weapon being the GBU-57. As for "Ignores that MOP was built for any deep bunker, not just one site." you are wrong according to what General Caine has stated. I think I'll believe someone at the very top of the U.S. military on this. Sure the MOP can be used on any fortified bunker BUT it's initial development was to destroy the Fordow facility. 

https://www.twz.com/air/gbu-57-massive-ordnance-penetrator-strikes-on-iran-everything-we-just-learned

[LosLobo]

14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

“Along the way, they realized we did not have a weapon that could adequately strike and kill this target,” according to Caine. “So they began a journey to work with industry and other tacticians to develop the GBU-57.”

Which part of this do you not understand. It's not the chicken and egg conundrum. First came Fordow and then the weapon to destroy it, that weapon being the GBU-57. As for "Ignores that MOP was built for any deep bunker, not just one site." you are wrong according to what General Caine has stated. I think I'll believe someone at the very top of the U.S. military on this. Sure the MOP can be used on any fortified bunker BUT it's initial development was to destroy the Fordow facility. 

https://www.twz.com/air/gbu-57-massive-ordnance-penetrator-strikes-on-iran-everything-we-just-learned

Brandolini’s Law: don't burn calories on recycled BS.

 

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Brandolini’s Law: don't burn calories on recycled BS.

 

I'll take it that this deflection means you now accept that the GBU-57 was designed primarily for the Fordow facility. 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

 

CNN should be shut down

[BLMFem]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

CNN should be shut down

I can see why you would say that. In Russia they would all be sent to a gulag. Thankfully, Putin is dictator only in his own p***ant country.

[candide]

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

Fake news CNN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fake news meme! 

[BLMFem]

Interesting. So Iran already builds plants too deep even for the gigantic MOBs the US possesses to be able to penetrate. I'm not sure they're able to build them much bigger because of the carrying capacities of the delivery platforms.

 

US did not use bunker-buster bombs on one of Iran’s nuclear sites, top general tells lawmakers, citing depth of the target

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/27/politics/bunker-buster-bomb-isfahan-iran

 

"The US military did not use bunker-buster bombs on one of Iran’s largest nuclear sites last weekend because the site is so deep that the bombs likely would not have been effective, the US’ top general told senators during a briefing on Thursday.

The comment by Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Dan Caine, which was described by three people who heard his remarks and a fourth who was briefed on them, is the first known explanation given for why the US military did not use the Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb against the Isfahan site in central Iran. US officials believe Isfahan’s underground structures house nearly 60% of Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile, which Iran would need in order to ever produce a nuclear weapon."