UK Reform would be largest party if general election held today

[BarraMarra]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

So Muslims are not local residents.

The Thousands coming in every week are not BritishSteven and the 1s sentanced to prison are stripped of there duel nationality and deported as was the case of Shamina Begum.

[Geoff914]

7 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Lucy Connolly's sentence was harsh but in line with sentencing gudelines and sentences handed out to others for similar crimes.  Further racist tweets she tweeted both before and after that one were also taken into account as was her guilty plea. She won't serve 31 months; she'll probably be released on parole as she's not deemed a threat to the public.

 

13 years in prison for stealing a phone https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9xdr9ye8lo.

You get less time for grooming young girls https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd2rld9mj2o

[BarraMarra]

10 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Lucy Connolly's sentence was harsh but in line with sentencing gudelines and sentences handed out to others for similar crimes.  Further racist tweets she tweeted both before and after that one were also taken into account as was her guilty plea. She won't serve 31 months; she'll probably be released on parole as she's not deemed a threat to the public.

 

Tommy Robinson wasn't imprisoned for speaking up against immigrants, there is no such offense. He was convicted of contempt of court, a serious crime to which he also plead guilty. 

 

 

You don't get put in a high security prison and segregated for a contempt charge. He was a political prisoner.

[Baht Simpson]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

As an Alternative, King Charles has the authority to dissolve Parliament, though I cannot remember any monarch ever doing so.

He can only do it on a request from the Prime Minister.

[Geoff914]

5 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

The Thousands coming in every week are not BritishSteven and the 1s sentanced to prison are stripped of there duel nationality and deported as was the case of Shamina Begum.

And how long did that take?

[Geoff914]

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

True, the issues, worldwide, can only be solved by measures now that bear fruit in 10+ years time. So no-one will vote for those proposing that.

And given that a Parliamentary session is 5 years then it is never going to happen. Mind you the Tories had a 15 year session and look how they f***ed that up.

[Baht Simpson]

3 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

You don't get put in a high security prison and segregated for a contempt charge. He was a political prisoner.

Your view that he was a political prisoner has no basis in fact. He was segregated to protect him.

 

"Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was placed in segregation in prison primarily for his own safety and to prevent potential harm to other inmates. He was initially held in Belmarsh prison and later moved to Woodhill after expressing a conflict with followers of Islam, which led to threats against him. The prison administration deemed segregation necessary due to concerns about his safety and the potential for violence from other prisoners, particularly those with opposing views. "

 

Source: Google

[Baht Simpson]

13 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

13 years in prison for stealing a phone https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9xdr9ye8lo.

You get less time for grooming young girls https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd2rld9mj2o

It wasn't 13 years just for stealing a phone though was it? The man had psychological problems which made his situation complicated and tragic.

 

In the second example they've been found guilty but are awaiting details of the length of sentence.

 

In any case neither of these examples have any bearing on the sentencing of Connolly and Robinson. 

[Geoff914]

18 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Your view that he was a political prisoner has no basis in fact. He was segregated to protect him.

 

"Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was placed in segregation in prison primarily for his own safety and to prevent potential harm to other inmates. He was initially held in Belmarsh prison and later moved to Woodhill after expressing a conflict with followers of Islam, which led to threats against him. The prison administration deemed segregation necessary due to concerns about his safety and the potential for violence from other prisoners, particularly those with opposing views. "

 

Source: Google

You can't even be safe in prison. I suppose the prison officer attacked by Axel Rudakubana can testify to that.

[Geoff914]

8 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

It wasn't 13 years just for stealing a phone though was it? The man had psychological problems which made his situation complicated and tragic.

 

In the second example they've been found guilty but are awaiting details of the length of sentence.

 

In any case neither of these examples have any bearing on the sentencing of Connolly and Robinson. 

Whether he had psychological problems isn't the issue. I am sure somebody who had issues and found themselves in prison for 13 years for stealing a phone would develop far more serious issues. Now days mobile phone theft is so common the police don't do anything about it. Get your phone stole, track it to a location and the police do nothing. May be it because the don't wont to upset the immigrant mobile phone stealing gangs.

Every case has a bearing on other cases if the sentence is disproportionate. Are you suggesting 8 years, and by the way he is still serving a sentence, is proportionate for stealing a phone. Even if the police did arrest a phone thief now I guess a year max is what they would get, probably suspended. 

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Working class voters thought Starmer was better than any Tory being in control.........😱

they know better now though don't they?

[Baht Simpson]

6 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

 

Every case has a bearing on other cases if the sentence is disproportionate. Are you suggesting 8 years, and by the way he is still serving a sentence, is proportionate for stealing a phone.

You're comparing cases that are chalk and cheese. Tyler Kay got 28 months and Jordan Parlour got 20 months for a similar crime to Connolly's.  Those should be your equivalents.

 

As I say, the sentence is harsh but it's not unusual.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Baht Simpson said:

He can only do it on a request from the Prime Minister.

And if the PM resigns from his post or is sacked from the position without dissolving parliament, what then?

[Geoff914]

26 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

You're comparing cases that are chalk and cheese. Tyler Kay got 28 months and Jordan Parlour got 20 months for a similar crime to Connolly's.  Those should be your equivalents.

 

As I say, the sentence is harsh but it's not unusual.

The 8 years or Connelly's

 

[Baht Simpson]

3 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

The 8 years or Connelly's

 

Connelly's. As I stated in my original post.

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

And if the PM resigns from his post or is sacked from the position without dissolving parliament, what then?

A new PM is appointed.  The Tories were great at this!

[James105]

2 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

Your view that he was a political prisoner has no basis in fact. He was segregated to protect him.

 

"Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was placed in segregation in prison primarily for his own safety and to prevent potential harm to other inmates. He was initially held in Belmarsh prison and later moved to Woodhill after expressing a conflict with followers of Islam, which led to threats against him. The prison administration deemed segregation necessary due to concerns about his safety and the potential for violence from other prisoners, particularly those with opposing views. "

 

Source: Google

 

18% of prisoners are muslim.  Since the religion of peace is not the religion of peace (a fact that Tommy Robinson has been stating for 2 decades now) he cannot be amongst the muslim prisoners as they will probably kill him since they are, you know, so peaceful.   Contempt of court is a non violent civil offense and the sentence should have been carried out in an low security or open prison with other non-violent offenders where he would not have needed to be segregated and suffered the inhumane conditions of solitary confinement for such a long time.   Pretending to yourself that this kind of sentence and this kind of inhumane punishment is normal doesn't make it reality. 

 

Anyway 2-tier justice has once again been confirmed in the UK.   The mental gymnastics required to pretend this is not happening could start to cause brain hemorrhages so try and be careful.