Do Thai Men Have Any Level Of Emotional Maturity?

[fredwiggy]

4 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Haven’t you got kids with different women none of who you live with in different continents?

How could you possibly be available to them? 
 

Love your lack of self awareness Fred. 
It is cute.

 

Malcolm, I've said this before. You have no wives, or children, so your comments about them mean nothing, as you have no life experience in a family besides the idiocy you were taught by your parents and grandfather, which you have shown here a number of times. I had custody of my children until they left the house at 19. That means I was available to them every day of those years, unlike my wife and girlfriend who lost custody to me because they weren't parent material. I'm light years more aware of what constitutes a family and life itself, than you're shallow, teen aged thinking.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Did the Thai books you read discuss this?

Why would I read Thai books when western books are decades ahead of thinking here?

[sqwakvfr]

6 hours ago, novacova said:

What other people do with their time seems to bother you and makes you feel insecure, where are you from anyway, Australia by any chance?

Yes I am the most insecre in the world but at least I do not "own" a weight station and stare at my phone while others are patiently waiting.  If that makes me inseure than I am guilty  as charged.  

[sqwakvfr]

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Most folks have their music on phones so there's that. I belong to a higher end gym so don't witness what you do.

I get that but just lookinng at the mirror and looking at the phone while wearing ear buds and not actually using the gym equipment does not seem to be "waitiing"? 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Why would I read Thai books when western books are decades ahead of thinking here?

You told me you read books on Thai culture in the US before coming.

[fredwiggy]

44 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

especially the type who frequent gyms

People who frequent gyms are those that think enough of themselves to take care of themselves, which in turn takes care of those you provide for, as a healthier body means a healthier outlook on life and care for others. if you love yourself first, only then can you love others. 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

You told me you read books on Thai culture in the US before coming.

They weren't written in Thai. World history is available to anyone who likes history. I also listened to Thais in the US who were born and lived here much of their lives.

[Harrisfan]

6 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

Well at the gym it seems like many do the following:

1) Look at themselves in the mirror  at least once every 5 minutes

2) Take a selfie and then more selfies

3)  After walking on the threadmill like a grandma for 10 minutes  they act like they had just run a marathon

4)  Not wipe down gym equipment after use. But actually why would they need to wipe it down because they do not sweat.  It takes some level of intensity to perspire while working out.  

5) Sit on gym equipment while looking at their phones while others are politely waiting. I thought going to the gym was to get a workout and not working out their phones.

6) Obviously this type of behavior does not apply to all Thai men but I have witnessed it many times during the years. 

Or I am the weird one because I leave my phone in the locker.  The gyms I belonged to in the  US prohibited phones on the gym floor. Oh heck in the eyes of most Thai people I am weird one.  

 

I doubt this kind of behavior would be tolerated at a Muay Thai dojo but the mid to high level gyms I have worked out at this is rather common amongst Thai men.

 

 

Yeah but most go for something to do rather than get strong. 

[spidermike007]

Yes. Some do absolutely, but many don't. I have no idea what the numbers look like, we can only guess, but I know a number of Thai men that are well put together and have very strong hearts and minds, so lumping the entire population in with some bad eggs is never a good idea, nor is it a particularly accurate conclusion. 

 

Having said that I think there are some inherent factors within the culture that do stifle emotional development. Number one people are not encouraged to look within for the source of the problem nor to take responsibility, and that is a situation that can have tragic results. 

 

Number two, there's the issue of face which often gets in the way, from my point of view it's an extreme level of personal weakness. It comes down to perhaps the single most significant weakness most Thai people have. The pathological fear of losing face. Who cares what people think of you? For those of us with high self esteem, it just does not matter. Sure, close friends and family. But strangers on the street? Who gives a rat's butt about this? It means nothing what they think, nor what they say about you. Nothing, less than zero. They count for nothing. They are just people, and people you do not know, nor will ever see again.

 

Face is rife with self doubt, and by subscribing to this weakness, and man or woman is made a far lesser person. I consider the practice of face to be the polar opposite of the practice of Buddhism, which teaches the need for introspection, contemplation, owning up to a problem, and taking responsibility for issues, problems and tragedies that you create in life.

 

As many of us know, a percentage of the Thai population live within fairly small boxes of social convention, traditions and expectations, especially on the part of the family. That is not a life that some of us choose. Those that are bold and courageous, will find a way to break past conventions, and live a fulfilling life, based on their own choices, independence, and esteem.

 

But, Thailand is only a couple of generations removed from being a fairly tribal culture, so silly things like saving face is very much in play these days. 

 

 

[Harrisfan]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

They weren't written in Thai. World history is available to anyone who likes history. I also listened to Thais in the US who were born and lived here much of their lives.

So the books didn't discuss Thai violence or crime then.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

So the books didn't discuss Thai violence or crime then.

There is a thing called the internet where you can learn anything about the world. Books can teach you a lot, and researching is at your fingertips these days which makes looking up anything faster. Thai violence didn't just start the last two decades.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

There is a thing called the internet where you can learn anything about the world. Books can teach you a lot, and researching is at your fingertips these days which makes looking up anything faster. Thai violence didn't just start the last two decades.

Why did you choose Isaan first? Seems a strange first choice. 

[KhunLA]

Do non Thais have any thing else going on in their lives besides the need to question and or belittle, every aspect of Thais and their lives ???

 

Get a life, and show some maturity of your own.

 

@SoCal1990 Peeking at the topics you've stated, you are one sad individual.   

Almost feel sorry for you 

 

https://aseannow.com/profile/375167-socal1990/content/?type=forums_topic&change_section=1

 

 

[sqwakvfr]

7 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yeah but most go for something to do rather than get strong. 

Yes but this gym charges 1800 per month. For that kind of  money I am actually going to use as much of it as I can. Now if it was 800 per month then I would understand most of Thai guys in the gym. 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Why did you choose Isaan first? Seems a strange first choice. 

I thought you knew all about me from your statements, like Malcy. Again, so write this down. I visited Thailand, I stayed in a hotel where my eventual wife worked. We dated, traveled, fell in love. I came back, married her, had a child, moved here to be with them, found out she was nuts, divorced her, will move back as soon as I can re -establish back home. In retrospect, it was a life changing deal going to Bueng Kan first, but since my daughter was born, it was worth the insanity I went through.

[Harrisfan]

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I thought you knew all about me from your statements, like Malcy. Again, so write this down. I visited Thailand, I stayed in a hotel where my eventual wife worked. We dated, traveled, fell in love. I came back, married her, had a child, moved here to be with them, found out she was nuts, divorced her, will move back as soon as I can re -establish back home. In retrospect, it was a life changing deal going to Bueng Kan first, but since my daughter was born, it was worth the insanity I went through.

Strange.

[fredwiggy]

4 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Sounds like a self absorbed Western prima-donna to me. Thais don't go to gyms, they go to work.

Westerners go to work also, and to gyms before and afterwards. Most Thais cannot afford gyms. 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Westerners go to work also, and to gyms before and afterwards. Most Thais cannot afford gyms. 

Most westerners dont go or give up after 6 months

[timendres]

39 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Thailand is also a land of almost daily mass shootings.

 

Please, do share whatever you are smoking...

[fredwiggy]

31 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yeah but most go for something to do rather than get strong. 

Most got for a chance at improving health, strength, fitness and self esteem. Most don't do what they need to attain this. 

[save the frogs]

10 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Most westerners dont go or give up after 6 months

 

I noticed that only 1 out of 4 or 5 people in those gyms is really fit and built.

Either most of the other guys don't last long or they simply don't know how to train or their diet is not good enough to support their training.

But I have also not been consistent with training, I do admit. 

I am lazy. 

 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, timendres said:

 

Please, do share whatever you are smoking...

Lately I've been smoking Wikipedia.............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Thailand.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Most got for a chance at improving health, strength, fitness and self esteem. Most don't do what they need to attain this. 

5km walk is free and more enjoyable. Gyms are boring.

[save the frogs]

10 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

5km walk is free and more enjoyable. Gyms are boring.

 

Walking and weight lifting are 2 different things.

If you dont lift weights, you will never truly be fit. 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, save the frogs said:

 

I noticed that only 1 out of 4 or 5 people in those gyms is really fit and built.

Either most of the other guys don't last long or they simply don't know how to train or their diet is not good enough to support their training.

But I have also not been consistent with training, I do admit. 

I am lazy. 

 

Many go into gyms not realizing the work that's involved in changing your physique. The fact is, you don't have to be a bodybuilder to get the positives from going to a gym. What you need is a trainer that will stay with you until you learn what you have to do. Some will train a person a few times then let them loose, and many forget what they're supposed to do, get sore and quit, not realizing that sore means success, and aren't doing the most important thing which is changing their lifestyle, starting with a healthier diet. You can train like a bodybuilder and get great results, even if you have no intention to compete. Most do quit for those reasons, as motivation is hard to change if you've spent a life being a couch potato. Will power has to be found, as diet is the most important facet.

[timendres]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Lately I've been smoking Wikipedia.............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Thailand.

 

85 events in the last 15 years. Yup, almost daily, as you suggested. Just another 5,390 shootings, and you would be so right.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Walking and weight lifting are 2 different things.

If you dont lift weights, you will never truly be fit. 

Exactly. Walking is one of the best exercises to stay healthy, along with changing your diet, but weights build muscle, and the more muscle you carry, the more your body burns calories. You protect your joints, as long as you don't lift too heavy. The only thing that comes close is swimming for all body tone.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

You have to do compound lifts to build strength. Most do too many isolation stuff. I built a homemade farmers carry using hardware store products. Best exercise there is plus fun. Most exercises are boring.

 

No pain, no gain man.

It's supposed to be struggle, not fun. 

 

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Walking and weight lifting are 2 different things.

If you dont lift weights, you will never truly be fit. 

You dont have to lift weights. You can do pushups or pullups or move rocks around or use bands. Bands wrapped around a tree provide a good workout.

 

You can do shoulder carries with a bag filled with clothes. In Bangkok I typically walk 2km to my hotel carrying my bag rather than use a taxi. My bag is 12kgs.

 

Youtube has lots of exercise ideas. No gym required.

 

You can walk up and down stairs rather than use a lift. 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, timendres said:

 

85 events in the last 15 years. Yup, almost daily, as you suggested. Just another 5,390 shootings, and you would be so right.

Okay, I exaggerated a little but it does happen, and more and more with time, and we aren't seeing all of those that are happening. Thailand is a small country but crime here is not small, especially with intentional homicides which rival the US. Give it time. You'll see  crime here over time increasing.