17 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Not quite right.

If your Mercedes is assembled in Thailand you don't pay 50% more.

Maybe you don't have 3-4 millions to buy one?

That is true so in certain situation if that model is produced here. At time the part imported have to wait reason I stick to Toyota.

These import tariff are so you open a factory in Thailand produce jobs for locals that isn't much different than what US is asking.  I'm not one saying bring it all back to US that isn't happening totally the request is to balance right?

A few years back I was looking at two Toyota Vans, the two weren't made here so the price was a popping 5 million?

Same with the Benz, camper like Van which was even more.

2 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

That is true so in certain situation if that model is produced here. At time the part imported have to wait reason I stick to Toyota.

These import tariff are so you open a factory in Thailand produce jobs for locals that isn't much different than what US is asking.  I'm not one saying bring it all back to US that isn't happening totally the request is to balance right?

Well, the wages in Thailand and US are a bit different😂.

Therefore those factory jobs won't come back to US.

52 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, the wages in Thailand and US are a bit different😂.

Therefore those factory jobs won't come back to US.

Yes I understand agree with you particularly like clothing in which Walmart, Target, when Trumps brags like it is all coming back I think anyone really believes that is going to happen is foolish, but these companies make billions net, and people being greedy this situation is our own making allowing it in the first place without oversight so now we have what we have. Every President prior knew the problem as noted my rep, Pelosi voice it in 95, on the congressional floor but both parties didn't listen today we got a Pres people just hate the bragging etc can't get over him and don't see the issue.

There needs to be an balance no country should dominate which is China intent plus there is no doubt we are being taken advantage it isn't about MAGA, it is about making sure if <deleted> hits the fan all our steel, medicine, our nation isn't helpless.

Take Trump out of picture it sure would be nice not to see 1 kL or cherries from US. 3500 baht not sit and see them rot.

Thai Examiner had an excellent summary of the issues Thailand faces. Anyone interested should peruse for it.

 

 

This is the beginning of the end for Thailand. I say that in all seriousness. If Thailand cannot get it's tarrif down to minimum 20% matching Vietnam it's finished.

 

At this point it might as well just go full retard and become a vassal of China.

12 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

Yes I understand agree with you particularly like clothing in which Walmart, Target, when Trumps brags like it is all coming back I think anyone really believes that is going to happen is foolish, but these companies make billions net, and people being greedy this situation is our own making allowing it in the first place without oversight so now we have what we have. Every President prior knew the problem as noted my rep, Pelosi voice it in 95, on the congressional floor but both parties didn't listen today we got a Pres people just hate the bragging etc can't get over him and don't see the issue.

There needs to be an balance no country should dominate which is China intent plus there is no doubt we are being taken advantage it isn't about MAGA, it is about making sure if <deleted> hits the fan all our steel, medicine, our nation isn't helpless.

Take Trump out of picture it sure would be nice not to see 1 kL or cherries from US. 3500 baht not sit and see them rot.

Agreed.

However, it will take years to build new factories in US.

And then your T-shirt will cost 15 USD instead of 4.99. 

On 7/9/2025 at 2:56 PM, KhunLA said:

Seems the USA doesn't really import much from TH ...

 

 

 

Basically low end electronics *n* stuff which can easily be made for next decade in Vietnam. When Vietnam outgrows that it can be passed to Cambodia or Indonesia.

 

This tarrif thing has come to be very profitable for Vietnam which bent over backwards to rectify their imbalance. Thailand tried some sleazy opaque nonsense and it was immediately sussed out. I think the 36% is going to stick.

 

Imagine manufacturers already looking for space in Vietnam

11 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Agreed.

However, it will take years to build new factories in US.

And then your T-shirt will cost 15 USD instead of 4.99. 

You are missing the point, I again stated I DO NOT expect as you noted T-shirts for companies to return build factories from companies like Walmart for example. If small business now many want to produce TShirts made in USA that is on consumer to make that choice.

I'm referring to larger items not clothes I personally don't Trump or his administration expect that to happen.

I'm talking about national security items and even then I'm not sure of the solution.

Tax dollars are being given to many Universities, lets take Harvard who except hundreds of mainland Chinese, the research department for example developed a cancer drug approved by FDA, company that owns the pattern now has a factory in China, as we know to operate one must hand over the IP, if the research hasn't already been stolen by a Chinese spy stolen handed over. The medicine then is copied rebranded so throughout the world but because the company has an patent for the drugs in the U.S. it is made in China labeled original tax payers pay heavy for the drug we develop.

Something is wrong the big picture is bigger than T-shirt and a T.V.

On 7/8/2025 at 6:20 PM, mudpuppy said:

Gas prices near lowest level in 4 years ahead of 4th of July weekend (ABC News 3 July)

Inflation is tame. Markets are at record highs. (CNN, today 8 July)
The US added 147,000 jobs in June 2025 (NBC News, 3 July)om
Unemployment dropped from 4.2% to 4.1% in June 2025 (NBC News, 3 July)
You can Google them all.

What other data would you like spoon-fed to you?

What sources do you resurrect to make your claims? Unemployment has  risen in July from 4.1  to 4.3% or in human number  about 350 thousand !

 

1 hour ago, thailand49 said:

You are missing the point, I again stated I DO NOT expect as you noted T-shirts for companies to return build factories from companies like Walmart for example. If small business now many want to produce TShirts made in USA that is on consumer to make that choice.

I'm referring to larger items not clothes I personally don't Trump or his administration expect that to happen.

I'm talking about national security items and even then I'm not sure of the solution.

Tax dollars are being given to many Universities, lets take Harvard who except hundreds of mainland Chinese, the research department for example developed a cancer drug approved by FDA, company that owns the pattern now has a factory in China, as we know to operate one must hand over the IP, if the research hasn't already been stolen by a Chinese spy stolen handed over. The medicine then is copied rebranded so throughout the world but because the company has an patent for the drugs in the U.S. it is made in China labeled original tax payers pay heavy for the drug we develop.

Something is wrong the big picture is bigger than T-shirt and a T.V.

Can you explain to me how is that if you take a original product to a manufacturer how do you expect that manufacturer to manufacture  your product without you providing details on how and what you want manufactured regardless of patent or copyright etc?

"we develop" is an amusing comment when in many cases it is the paying students in a University research unit that does most of the donkey work to develop novel products, the University takes the  credit to enhance its profile to attract ever increasing  fees and big Pharma "sponsors" of the research they partially fund for work by paying students get to Patent the end result .

Patents also have a validity of about 10 years so at the expiry date it is open to generic production which so often is done at what should be embarrassingly  low eventual value.

Copyrights are usually easy to defy by minor variance.

 

 

22 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Can you explain to me how is that if you take a original product to a manufacturer how do you expect that manufacturer to manufacture  your product without you providing details on how and what you want manufactured regardless of patent or copyright etc?

"we develop" is an amusing comment when in many cases it is the paying students in a University research unit that does most of the donkey work to develop novel products, the University takes the  credit to enhance its profile to attract ever increasing  fees and big Pharma "sponsors" of the research they partially fund for work by paying students get to Patent the end result .

Patents also have a validity of about 10 years so at the expiry date it is open to generic production which so often is done at what should be embarrassingly  low eventual value.

Copyrights are usually easy to defy by minor variance.

 

 

It is IP?  It really is about tariff? Or something bigger here?

 

It is pretty widely known isn't it? If you want to operate in China manufacture you must hand over you secret!  In fact there is an interview I saw with Xi who said if there is something that benefits the world it should be shared. Now I'm all for making things better for example cars decades ago US dominated the car industry but they made <deleted>ty car, Japan came along made a better product I have no complaints about that.l but that isn't the case! Of course it's isn't completely China fault companies do have a choice. Let take Tesla I had an cousin prior to retirement started with Tesla, as an engineer, in conversation with him years back noted this to me. Yes they gave up like do many companies their IP, to operate. Today for example I look at BYD, their higher end models look exactly like Tesla models, I believe it is GWM, model Tank is a copy of the Ford Bronco?

 

I'm saying stolen because these companies gave it up feeling profit was more important than being blackmailed. I also read KFC, is the largest American company operating in China, their 11-12 secret spices is no more I see chicken stands even in Thailand like 5 star crispy chicken is very close to KFC, even local market come close.

This is my opinion I have no problems with tariff between the line, they have indicated temporary pain discomfort Im willing to deal and support all country have to do is come to the table and meet in between I'm not a supporter of Trump boosting nor do I think his intend for companies to all move home to produce tariff is being used to meet a reasonable balance that is fair as noted and Thailand charging US imports 40% while theirs to US is near free.

Does anyone else kinda think that El twatto's signature reminds you of a baby with a whacking great felt-tip pen, learning how to scribble on its first attempt to put ink on paper?

Or,

That the supposed signature has a certain look of a pissed fat, pig of a spider that fell into an ink pot and craw

Oops=, sorry,

It was a big fat pi .......... !

23 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

It is IP?  It really is about tariff? Or something bigger here?

 

It is pretty widely known isn't it? If you want to operate in China manufacture you must hand over you secret!  In fact there is an interview I saw with Xi who said if there is something that benefits the world it should be shared. Now I'm all for making things better for example cars decades ago US dominated the car industry but they made <deleted>ty car, Japan came along made a better product I have no complaints about that.l but that isn't the case! Of course it's isn't completely China fault companies do have a choice. Let take Tesla I had an cousin prior to retirement started with Tesla, as an engineer, in conversation with him years back noted this to me. Yes they gave up like do many companies their IP, to operate. Today for example I look at BYD, their higher end models look exactly like Tesla models, I believe it is GWM, model Tank is a copy of the Ford Bronco?

 

I'm saying stolen because these companies gave it up feeling profit was more important than being blackmailed. I also read KFC, is the largest American company operating in China, their 11-12 secret spices is no more I see chicken stands even in Thailand like 5 star crispy chicken is very close to KFC, even local market come close.

This is my opinion I have no problems with tariff between the line, they have indicated temporary pain discomfort Im willing to deal and support all country have to do is come to the table and meet in between I'm not a supporter of Trump boosting nor do I think his intend for companies to all move home to produce tariff is being used to meet a reasonable balance that is fair as noted and Thailand charging US imports 40% while theirs to US is near free.

My perspective can not support yours when you say "stolen" then say "gave it up for profit" which is the base reality. And in that process have you ever seen reference to any clause specifying absolute  denial of generic capacity in any way or form? 

KFC recipe? Really? Twenty years ago I could buy KFC flavor sachets in Indonesian shops to emulate taste.

Was it/is it exactly the same ? I don't know or care because it is a product that endeavours to imitate, not reproduce or steal in originality.

My objection is to the attempts to "patent" human genes. Modified or not they are in origin not an original human creation. In fact contamination of the human gene pool should be a crime in my opinion.

26 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

My perspective can not support yours when you say "stolen" then say "gave it up for profit" which is the base reality. And in that process have you ever seen reference to any clause specifying absolute  denial of generic capacity in any way or form? 

KFC recipe? Really? Twenty years ago I could buy KFC flavor sachets in Indonesian shops to emulate taste.

Was it/is it exactly the same ? I don't know or care because it is a product that endeavours to imitate, not reproduce or steal in originality.

My objection is to the attempts to "patent" human genes. Modified or not they are in origin not an original human creation. In fact contamination of the human gene pool should be a crime in my opinion.

My perspective is the same mines don't support yours tariff the problem is much bigger than we care to understand. Force, stolen, profit, it is mixed into one big terrible situation in the end when It comes to tariff it is long over due world wide this is the same with the US, being a ATM for the world.

Our perspective will just have to be agree to disagree.

Thanks for sharing.

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On 7/8/2025 at 4:45 AM, impulse said:

 

Adults in the room would rather they be done right, than to be done fast.

 

You can't fix decades of bad trade policy in 6 months.

 

So why did he declare he would do 90 deals in 90 days?

 

PH

2 hours ago, Phulublub said:

So why did he declare he would do 90 deals in 90 days?

 

PH

The latest deadline is to quote Donald,  'firm but not 100% firm', lol.

On 7/10/2025 at 8:58 PM, 0ffshore360 said:

What sources do you resurrect to make your claims? Unemployment has  risen in July from 4.1  to 4.3% or in human number  about 350 thousand !

 

You are incorrect! - Where did you get your 4.3% figure?  "Resurrect" that stat from Uranus?

https://www.bls.gov/

Right now you have millions and millions of people who are so horrified or so aghast by what’s happening. They feel like they have no leadership. They feel like nobody is articulating what they’re feeling and they feel like nobody is doing anything about it and telling them where we go from here. Those people need and deserve leadership. We don’t really have an opposition party.

 

Trump would not be where he is without the deep state or a similarly sinister organization or group of very powerful people who put him in that place, and are allowing him to conduct these extremely destructive economic policies. As reckless and as poorly thought out as all this seems, I think it's actually deliberate economic sabotage.

 

Unfortunately the average American and the average person without wealth throughout the world will end up being the victims. Tens of millions of Trump supporters will be very surprised at the end result, and it won't be a pleasant surprise. 

 

Very few people truly understand just how sinister and ignorant Trump is. 

 

 

 

The world is beginning to recognize that Trump's words should not be taken seriously. He is an unpredictable and shrewd businessman, often lacking in principles.

This is called Karma. Thailand has been abusing the balance of trade over many years and also transshipping Chinese goods to help the CCP avoid tariffs. Sort this out and the tariffs will go away.

On 7/12/2025 at 6:35 AM, mudpuppy said:

You are incorrect! - Where did you get your 4.3% figure?  "Resurrect" that stat from Uranus?

https://www.bls.gov/

What means "bls.gov?

bullsh*t.gov?

If Thailand kisses his ass, he'll lower the tariffs back to 10%, won't he? 😮 

On 7/8/2025 at 9:49 AM, JBChiangRai said:

It was clearly a big mistake for Thailand to align itself with BRICS

 

However, I am really disappointed with all the countries negotiating with Trump. There is only one way to deal with a bully, and that is to fight back and give him a bloody nose.  Playing his game means he wins.

 

Why not charge a country what they charge your country, item per item?

It's really simple.

On 7/11/2025 at 4:40 PM, Phulublub said:

So why did he declare he would do 90 deals in 90 days?

 

PH

The same reason he will stop the war in 1 day............🤥

 

 

8 minutes ago, gargamon said:

It's really simple.

That seems to be what most people here think, AKA the intellectually challenged

2 minutes ago, angryguy said:

That seems to be what most people here think, AKA the intellectually challenged

I don't think 'you' should go there............😟............🤭

6 minutes ago, angryguy said:

That seems to be what most people here think, AKA the intellectually challenged

The intellectually challenged ones are the ones that believe tarrifs are a good thing. The last time the Republicans put tarrifs on was in the 1920s and were the major cause of the Great depression. The republicans were out of office for about 50 years.

8 minutes ago, gargamon said:

The intellectually challenged ones are the ones that believe tarrifs are a good thing. The last time the Republicans put tarrifs on was in the 1920s and were the major cause of the Great depression. The republicans were out of office for about 50 years.

Tariffs had nothing to do with the great depression.  Simply the elite, knocking down the middle class and taking over the industrial revolution.   A well planned, lend out money, then call the debt, they couldn't repay, and steal their businesses.  

 

They even did a test run in 1917 to see it would work, success.   So planned and perfected it for 1929's crash.

13 minutes ago, gargamon said:

The intellectually challenged ones are the ones that believe tarrifs are a good thing. The last time the Republicans put tarrifs on was in the 1920s and were the major cause of the Great depression. The republicans were out of office for about 50 years.

In 1964 President Lyndon B. Johnson introduced The chicken tax which was a 25% tariff on imported light trucks

The chicken tax tariff is still valid today