4 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

what Israel is doing is not genocide.

 

Trolling with ludicrous statements is against forum rules, even if it is funny in its sheer absurdity. 🙂 

 

Another 77 reported dead yesterday, but the Palestinians have been shown as under reporting casualties by more than 40% by independent UK and EU bodies, so probably more than a hundred in this on going genocide. 🙂 

On 7/29/2025 at 2:26 PM, Photoguy21 said:

Define genocide.

"Genocide is defined as the intentional destruction, in whole or in part, of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group by the United Nations. This definition, established by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, includes acts like killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, imposing measures to prevent births, and forcibly transferring children." 

29 minutes ago, Donga said:

1. Israel did not stop food going in since March
2. IDF don't want to have real journalists killed, and be a good chance of that with Hamas mongrels. The IDF release updates, photos all the time which most media ignores as they prefer Hamas stuff. Why?
3. Most UN food ended up being controlled by Hamas, which they would also sell from time to time, Why do you think they made the US/Israeli method so dangerous for the Gazans?

World should DEMAND Hamas stand down NOW, release the hostages and get the hell out of Gaza.

Oh, breaking news - pity this wasn't done many months ago... https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-egypt-join-call-for-hamas-to-disarm-give-up-gaza-rule

 

1.  Since 2 March 2025, Israel has completely blocked all supplies from entering the territory, making it the longest complete closure in the history of the blockade.[175][176]

The blockade has created famine conditions in the Gaza Strip, which was exacerbated by Israeli airstrikes targeting food infrastructure and restrictions on humanitarian aid.[177] In a number of incidents, Israeli protesters, including settlers, blocked aid trucks carrying humanitarian aid heading towards the Gaza Strip, and in some cases attacked them.[178][179

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip#:~:text=During the 2025 Gaza war,the history of the

blockade.

 

2.  Nobody believes the IDF, they've been caught lying many times.

 

3. Netanyahu himself has been supporting armed gangs looting trucks in Gaza in an attempt to weaken Hamas.

 

Quote: What the Israeli prime minister is referring to are the reports that Israel under his authorisation has been supplying weapons to a clan in Gaza led by a man called Yasser Abu Shabab.

The group, which some see as a militia or a criminal gang, has presented itself as an opposition force to Hamas.

It says its aim is to protect trucks bringing aid into Gaza, but critics say it is doing the opposite and is looting them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyn2m9yk0vo

pity hamas in their years of handouts instead of digging tunnels and stocking up on arms with that money didnt buy more food.hospitals etc etc.............maybe all the foods in the tunnels right

3 hours ago, Packer said:

Trolling with ludicrous statements is against forum rules, even if it is funny in its sheer absurdity. 🙂 

Being a filthy neo national socialist jew hating terrorist supporter is contrary to the rules of civilized life, even if its funny because the ones who spout the most are usually the ones who would run from a jewish girl with a gun.

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

civilized life

 

Wrong thread.

 

This is about how the Jewry are treating Palestinians. 🙂 

9 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Zionist genocide, worse than Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot combined.

I Wish the IDF could be more efficient, they are waaaaaay behind. Got to kill lots more for a genocide. We dont even have Baba Yar numbers yet. Lets go, speed it up!

 

The way to have a real genocide would be to lure them in with food and dump Zyklon B over the crowd. Then cluster bombs. Should be able to do about 10,000 at a time.

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

Wrong thread.

 

This is about how the Jewry are treating Palestinians. 🙂 

 

   This is good ammunition for you .

Using this war to attack Jews .

All Anti Semites support the Palestine cause .

It gives them a uniting cause to continue their attack on Jews

4 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

Wrong thread.

 

This is about how the Jewry are treating Palestinians. 🙂 

The civilized way. They havent killed them all.

 

Have you ever asked yourself, during your fevered dreams of guys in coal scuttle helmets screaming Raus raus at women and children, that if this is really a genocide, why are there any left?

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Using this war to attack Jews .

All Anti Semites support the Palestine cause .

It gives them a uniting cause to continue their attack on Jews

 

This is a thread about the Jewry attacking and murdering infants and children. 🙂

 

Stay on topic.

 

You've been told before. 🙂

1 minute ago, Packer said:

 

This is a thread about the Jewry attacking and murdering infants and children. 🙂

 

 

   No it isnt,  the thread isn't about that .

BTW , I know that you are just trolling , so I wont be playing along .

52 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Baba Yar

 

Babi Yar. 🙂

The Israeli prime minister fighting for his life because if he loose he faces long sentences for various crimes in Israel.

Corrupsion and more.I hope he end up in jail rest of his life.What an evil human being.

5 minutes ago, norsurin said:

The Israeli prime minister fighting for his life because if he loose he faces long sentences for various crimes in Israel.

 

 

   If he looses what ?

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   If he looses what ?

If the government have to go and he loose support from his evil partners in the government.

3 minutes ago, norsurin said:

If the government have to go and he loose support from his evil partners in the government.

 

   Why is he dependant on other members of the Government ?

7 hours ago, Packer said:

But, the Jews do have a lust for occupation and genocide. 😞 

 

No, it's survival for which Jews have a "lust."  It's survival that spurred the early Zionists in the 1880's, led to the founding of Israel in 1948 and today drives the IDF in the defense of Israeli Jews in their homeland.

 

The deaths  of Palestinians in Gaza are NOT the result of genocide but  of warfare in a dense urban environment.  That's a tragedy but it's not genocide.  Most of the civilian casualties are a result of Hamas terrorists hiding among non-combatants or using civilian infrastructure as weapons' depots or firing points.

 

Genocide is determined by intent, not the number of deaths.  The Israeli government isn't trying to eliminate Palestinians as a group.  The civilian deaths are collateral damage from attacks against legitimate military targets.  The roughly 60,000 deaths of Palestinians since  October, 2023, include 20,000 to 25,000 Hamas terrorists.  One  to two civilian deaths for every terrorist killed is not out of line with what could be expected in urban warfare in a tightly populated area.

 

During WWII, the U.S. and U.K. killed  an estimated 500,000 German civilians through aerial bombardment,  while 350,000 to 450,000 Japanese  civilians died due to U.S. bombing.  In both Germany and Japan, the majority of victims were women, children and the elderly. 

 

During a 48-hour period in March, 1945, at least 100,000 Japanese civilians died in the USAAF fire bombing of Tokyo.  The RAF and USAAF  got 37,000 civilians in Hamburg,  while the RAF wracked up 20,000  in Cologne and 25,000 in Dresden.  No one accused the U.S. or U.K. of genocide because it wasn't their intent to wipe out Germans or Japanese, only to kill a lot of them. 

 

Same-same with the Israeli bombing of Gaza.  How is it any different than the U.S. bombing of Tokyo or the RAF bombing of Dresden?  

 

Moreover, it can't be genocide if the size of the target population keeps increases.  The 2.1 million Arabs with Israeli citizenship, 21% of Israel's total population, are descendants of the 150,000 Arabs who remained or returned to Israel in 1948-49.   It seems logical to assume that if Israel wanted to wipe out Palestinians, those are the ones it would begin with.  Obviously that's not the case as the number of Arab Israelis has increased significantly in the past 77 years.

 

 In the West Bank and Gaza, the Palestinian population has grown from less than one million in 1950 to about 5.4 million today.  So when exactly did the genocide begin and how many Palestinians have died in it?

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Why is he dependant on other members of the Government ?

Stop playing stupid.Im not into ur games.

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Genocide is determined by intent

 

Somebody hasn't been paying attention. 🙂 

I lead a top Israeli human rights group. Our country is committing genocide

 

For nearly two years, we’ve heard Israeli officials – politicians and generals alike – say out loud what they intend to do: to starve, flatten and erase Gaza. “We will eliminate them.” “We will make it uninhabitable.” “We will cut off food, water, electricity.”

 

These weren’t slips of the tongue; they were the plan. And then, our military carried it out. By the textbook definition, this is genocide: the deliberate targeting of a population not for who they are as individuals, but because they belong to a group – an attack designed to destroy the group itself.

 

We told ourselves other stories to survive the horror, stories that kept guilt and grief at bay. We convinced ourselves that every child in Gaza was Hamas, every apartment a terrorist cell. We became, without noticing, those “ordinary people” who keep living their lives while “it” is happening.

 

I lead a top Israeli human rights group. Our country is committing genocide

1 hour ago, Packer said:

 

Somebody hasn't been paying attention. 🙂 

 

I've been playing plenty of attention.  It's the actions of the Israeli government and not the comments of a few politicians that determine intent.  The military actions of the IDF and the policies of the government regarding food aid don't amount to genocide.

 

A few charts that illustrate why it's not genocide:

 

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/palestinian-territory-occupied/population

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza

 

And a chart of what a real genocide looks like:

 

 

This chart from the U.N. shows that the number of Palestinian deaths is related to attacks on Israel by Hamas.  No attacks, no retaliation.   In 2023 before Oct. 7, only 35 Gazans had been killed by the IDF and almost all were Hamas operatives.  The chart does not include deaths in Gaza from the current conflict.

 

In the years when Hamas did not launch any sort of Intifada (uprising), the fatalities in the Gaza Strip were low.  The deaths after Oct. 7 were the direct result of an attack on Israel that accomplished nothing militarily but caused massive retaliation.  

 

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

what’s wrong with some of you Genocide deniers. 
Read the following.

B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights Israel: Israel is committing genocide in the Gaza Strip

https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20250728_our_genocide
 

 

Israel/OPT: Israeli organizations conclude Israel committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza in another milestone for accountability efforts 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/07/israel-opt-israeli-organizations-conclude-israel-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza-in-another-milestone-for-accountability-efforts/

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Donga said:

1. Israel did not stop food going in since March
2. IDF don't want to have real journalists killed, and be a good chance of that with Hamas mongrels. The IDF release updates, photos all the time which most media ignores as they prefer Hamas stuff. Why?
3. Most UN food ended up being controlled by Hamas, which they would also sell from time to time, Why do you think they made the US/Israeli method so dangerous for the Gazans?

World should DEMAND Hamas stand down NOW, release the hostages and get the hell out of Gaza.

Oh, breaking news - pity this wasn't done many months ago... https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-egypt-join-call-for-hamas-to-disarm-give-up-gaza-rule

I’ve never heard such blatant brainwashing by Israel propaganda.

 

1 hour ago, Chris.C said:

Read the following.

B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights Israel: Israel is committing genocide in the Gaza Strip

 

   I read that the previous three times that it got posted on these forums .

Its being discussed in other threads 

1 hour ago, Chris.C said:

what’s wrong with some of you Genocide deniers. 
Read the following.

B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights Israel: Israel is committing genocide in the Gaza Strip

 

That just proves there are different opinions on the subject because Israel is a democracy.

Read the following.

AJC: Israel is Not Committing Genocide  

https://www.ajc.org/news/israel-is-not-committing-genocide

https://www.ajc.org/news/american-jewish-committee-decries-amnesty-internationals-report-on-false-genocide-charge

 

New York Times:  No, Israel Is Not Committing Genocide in Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/opinion/no-israel-is-not-committing-genocide-in-gaza.html

7 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

That just proves there are different opinions on the subject because Israel is a democracy.

Read the following.

AJC: Israel is Not Committing Genocide  

https://www.ajc.org/news/israel-is-not-committing-genocide

https://www.ajc.org/news/american-jewish-committee-decries-amnesty-internationals-report-on-false-genocide-charge

 

New York Times:  No, Israel Is Not Committing Genocide in Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/opinion/no-israel-is-not-committing-genocide-in-gaza.html

Do you really believe the Israeli propaganda about being the only democracy in the region? How can Israel be called a democracy if it practices apartheid?
 

what about Tunisia and Lebanon, Iraqi Kurdistan has held fair elections.

So the idea that Israel is the only democracy is propaganda lies.

 

Can a State Be a Democracy While Practicing Apartheid?

 

Inside Israel proper, Jewish and Arab citizens do have voting rights and legal protections.

But in the occupied territories, Palestinians live under military rule, while Jewish settlers live under Israeli civil law, two legal systems in the same land, based on ethnicity.

Movement, housing, and political rights are restricted for Palestinians under occupation.

This dual system is why groups like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and even some former Israeli officials have called it apartheid.

 

The label “only democracy in the region” is used for political effect, especially to frame Israel as aligned with Western values.

But democracy is not just about elections, it’s also about equal rights for all. When you factor in the millions of Palestinians living under occupation without the right to vote for the government that controls much of their lives, the claim is ridiculous.

 

33 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

Do you really believe the Israeli propaganda about being the only democracy in the region? 

 

I didn't write Israel was the only democracy in the region.  I wrote "... Israel is a democracy." Whether it is the only democracy in the region depends on how you define "democracy."  The Economist Democracy Index lists Israel as a "flawed democracy,"  the only country in the region to have that rating.  I'm posting the Democracy Index chart for the Middle East and North Africa at the end of this post.

 

33 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

 How can Israel be called a democracy if it practices apartheid?

I don't believe Israel practices apartheid, so that's a moot question.

 

33 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

what about Tunisia and Lebanon, Iraqi Kurdistan has held fair elections.

So the idea that Israel is the only democracy is propaganda lies.

 

The Democracy Index lists Morocco and Tunisia as "hybrid regimes," the category below "flawed democracy."  Lebanon is rated as an "authoritarian regime," the least democratic of the four rating categories.  Neither Morocco, Tunisia nor Lebanon comes close to Israel on the Democracy Index.

 

In 2024, Israel ranked 31st among 167 nations, while Morocco placed 91st, Tunisia placed 93rd, Lebanon was 109th and Palestine 112th.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index#Middle_East_and_North_Africa

 

Iraqi Kurdistan isn't an independent country, so it is hard to measure its level of democracy.

 

33 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

Can a State Be a Democracy While Practicing Apartheid?

 

 

Inside Israel proper, Jewish and Arab citizens do have voting rights and legal protections.

But in the occupied territories, Palestinians live under military rule, while Jewish settlers live under Israeli civil law, two legal systems in the same land, based on ethnicity.

Movement, housing, and political rights are restricted for Palestinians under occupation.

This dual system is why groups like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and even some former Israeli officials have called it apartheid.

 

The label “only democracy in the region” is used for political effect, especially to frame Israel as aligned with Western values.

But democracy is not just about elections, it’s also about equal rights for all. When you factor in the millions of Palestinians living under occupation without the right to vote for the government that controls much of their lives, the claim is ridiculous.

 

No, a state can't be a democracy if it practices apartheid.  But as I wrote above, I don't believe Israel practices apartheid. The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza aren't Israeli citizens, so they don't have all the rights and privileges of an Israeli citizen.  In the West Bank, some Palestinians are under the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority, others live under Israeli military occupation.  Gaza is under the control of Hamas, which is at war with Israel.  It's certainly a peculiar set of circumstances, but none of it points to the racial or ethnic segregation that characterizes apartheid.

 

You acknowledged that the Arab citizens of Israel (21% of the population) have voting rights and legal protections.  They can be elected to political office, including the Knesset. They can be appointed to the Supreme Court and hold other government positions.  They have Israeli IDs and passports, own land and businesses, etc.  That doesn't sound like apartheid to me.

 

 

 

Here's The Economist Democracy Index for the Middle East and North Africa.

 

39 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

I didn't write Israel was the only democracy in the region.  I wrote "... Israel is a democracy." Whether it is the only democracy in the region depends on how you define "democracy."  The Economist Democracy Index lists Israel as a "flawed democracy,"  the only country in the region to have that rating.  I'm posting the Democracy Index chart for the Middle East and North Africa at the end of this post.

 

I don't believe Israel practices apartheid, so that's a moot question.

 

 

The Democracy Index lists Morocco and Tunisia as "hybrid regimes," the category below "flawed democracy."  Lebanon is rated as an "authoritarian regime," the least democratic of the four rating categories.  Neither Morocco, Tunisia nor Lebanon comes close to Israel on the Democracy Index.

 

In 2024, Israel ranked 31st among 167 nations, while Morocco placed 91st, Tunisia placed 93rd, Lebanon was 109th and Palestine 112th.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index#Middle_East_and_North_Africa

 

Iraqi Kurdistan isn't an independent country, so it is hard to measure its level of democracy.

 

 

No, a state can't be a democracy if it practices apartheid.  But as I wrote above, I don't believe Israel practices apartheid. The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza aren't Israeli citizens, so they don't have all the rights and privileges of an Israeli citizen.  In the West Bank, some Palestinians are under the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority, others live under Israeli military occupation.  Gaza is under the control of Hamas, which is at war with Israel.  It's certainly a peculiar set of circumstances, but none of it points to the racial or ethnic segregation that characterizes apartheid.

 

You acknowledged that the Arab citizens of Israel (21% of the population) have voting rights and legal protections.  They can be elected to political office, including the Knesset. They can be appointed to the Supreme Court and hold other government positions.  They have Israeli IDs and passports, own land and businesses, etc.  That doesn't sound like apartheid to me.

 

 

 

Here's The Economist Democracy Index for the Middle East and North Africa.

 

You're right that Arab citizens of Israel (about 21% of the population) have voting rights and can hold office. On paper, that seems democratic and inclusive. But apartheid isn't just about voting rights – it's about systemic separation and domination of one group over another.

Different ID Cards & Tracking
While all Israeli citizens carry ID cards, Arab citizens' cards include specific ethnic and religious identifiers. This allows Israeli authorities – including the police and IDF – to easily distinguish between Jewish and non-Jewish citizens. It's a built-in mechanism for ethnic profiling – not something you'd expect in a society claiming full equality.

Separate Legal Systems
In the West Bank, Palestinians live under military law, while Jewish settlers nearby are governed by Israeli civil law. This dual legal system – based explicitly on ethnicity – is a core feature of apartheid as defined under international law.

Land and Planning Discrimination
Although Arab citizens can legally own land, over 90% of land in Israel is controlled by the Israel Land Authority. In practice, it's extremely difficult for Arabs to obtain building permits. Many live in "unrecognized villages" denied basic infrastructure – while Jewish towns do not face such barriers.

Political Suppression
Arab political voices face systemic obstacles – including disqualifications of candidates, demonization in public discourse, and constant threats of delegitimization. Criticizing state policies often results in accusations of disloyalty or terrorism – silencing meaningful dissent.

The Nation-State Law (2018)
This law declared that only Jews have the right to national self-determination in Israel and downgraded Arabic as an official language. That’s not symbolic – it codifies second-class status for non-Jews into Israel’s constitutional structure.

So while Arab citizens do have formal rights, those rights are deeply undermined in practice. Major human rights organizations – including B’Tselem, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch – have all concluded that Israel operates an apartheid system. This isn’t about slogans – it’s about decades of legal, administrative, and physical control structured along ethnic lines.

Having the right to vote doesn’t cancel out an apartheid reality when every other system – housing, land use, policing, and national identity – enforces unequal treatment.

You can disagree with these three Human Rights Groups if you want but I would think carefully about what they say, also what a former US President said about it  on Democracy Now !!
He, IMHO, was the only President not to sell out to the Israel Lobby, who basically tell Trump what to do. people like Miriam Adelson, an Israeli born billionaire who, with her late husband, are the largest political donors in US history!

I believe the peanut farmer.

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, norsurin said:

If the government have to go and he loose support from his evil partners in the government.

I guess neither of you are native English speakers. It’s lose.

49 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

I guess neither of you are native English speakers. It’s lose.

Doesn't matter.Not important at all for me.