Its Time to End the War

[Yagoda]

https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/08/it-doesnt-matter-what-europe-thinks-and-thats-ok/

 

"The reason why the confusions and logical faults in Europe’s approach to the Ukrainian issue have gotten so out of hand is of course because Ukraine has become an ideological crusade for European establishments and beyond. This is possible to understand from an emotional perspective but it is not excusable in terms of statecraft. The Alaska summit may thus be an opportunity to reset the European conversation on these controversial topics. 

Europe’s future security and prosperity depends on two things. One is what it does within its borders, not what humanitarian projects or adventures it pursues abroad or just across the border. The other is how it ensures that NATO remains a serious, nuclear-protected community of allies that no Russian leader would dare to attack. Whether a “good” or a “bad” peace deal emerges from Alaska makes little difference to Europe’s real priorities – as long as there is peace in the end."

 

Sometimes you have to deal with scumbags. Like Gambino affiliated unions and megalomaniac KGB thugs. Lets make a good deal for the world

[RayC]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/08/it-doesnt-matter-what-europe-thinks-and-thats-ok/

 

"The reason why the confusions and logical faults in Europe’s approach to the Ukrainian issue have gotten so out of hand is of course because Ukraine has become an ideological crusade for European establishments and beyond. This is possible to understand from an emotional perspective but it is not excusable in terms of statecraft. The Alaska summit may thus be an opportunity to reset the European conversation on these controversial topics. 

Europe’s future security and prosperity depends on two things. One is what it does within its borders, not what humanitarian projects or adventures it pursues abroad or just across the border. The other is how it ensures that NATO remains a serious, nuclear-protected community of allies that no Russian leader would dare to attack. Whether a “good” or a “bad” peace deal emerges from Alaska makes little difference to Europe’s real priorities – as long as there is peace in the end."

 

Sometimes you have to deal with scumbags. Like Gambino affiliated unions and megalomaniac KGB thugs. Lets make a good deal for the world

 

I agree wholeheartedly with the thread's heading and your final sentence - "Let's make a good deal for the world" - indeed, I'd argue that it is crucial.

 

However, I couldn't disagree more with the statement from the article, "Whether a “good” or a “bad” peace deal emerges from Alaska makes little difference to Europe’s real priorities – as long as there is peace in the end": If Putin feels like he has got one over Trump - and the West - who knows what he may feel emboldened to do next.

 

Incidentally, it is no surprise to find 'Brussels Signal' holding this view. After all, it's little more than Orban's mouthpiece and he, in turn, is effectively Putin's mole in the EU.

[Jingthing]

Caving to Putin won't bring peace.

Only total naive fools don't realize that Putin's goals will remain maximalist and any pause is just a pause until he regroups and goes for more later.

To stop Putin and have peace, you need to defeat Putin.

 

[Yagoda]

56 minutes ago, RayC said:

Incidentally, it is no surprise to find 'Brussels Signal' holding this view. After all, it's little more than Orban's mouthpiece and he, in turn, is effectively Putin's mole in the EU.

Yeah, the author clearly is a Russian asset

https://yorktowninstitute.org/fellows/gabriel-elefteriu-fellow/

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah, the author clearly is a Russian asset

https://yorktowninstitute.org/fellows/gabriel-elefteriu-fellow/

 

As I was saying, 'Brussels Signal' is a mouthpiece for Orban, one of Putin's BFF:

 

"... Brussels Signal has murkier origins. Its publisher, Egan, is a longtime American strategist for Orbán’s Fidesz party. This isn’t his first foray into media: his consultancy publishes Remix News, an English-language site focused on Central and Eastern Europe that pushes an Orbán-friendly worldview with backing from the government, according to Hungarian investigative journalists.

Egan registered Remedia Europe, which publishes Brussels Signal, in Belgium last year with startup funds of €275,000. Egan refused to reveal the source of Remedia Europe’s funds".

 

Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/viktor-orban-hungary-culture-war-woke-brussels/

[Yagoda]

11 hours ago, RayC said:

 

As I was saying, 'Brussels Signal' is a mouthpiece for Orban, one of Putin's BFF:

 

"... Brussels Signal has murkier origins. Its publisher, Egan, is a longtime American strategist for Orbán’s Fidesz party. This isn’t his first foray into media: his consultancy publishes Remix News, an English-language site focused on Central and Eastern Europe that pushes an Orbán-friendly worldview with backing from the government, according to Hungarian investigative journalists.

Egan registered Remedia Europe, which publishes Brussels Signal, in Belgium last year with startup funds of €275,000. Egan refused to reveal the source of Remedia Europe’s funds".

 

Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/viktor-orban-hungary-culture-war-woke-brussels/

The author is not one of leftist Politico's Bogeymans.

 

It must suck when you are confronted with reality and can only complain that the messenger works for a company your fav  propagandists hate

 

What is an "Oban friendly" worldview? Reality?

[dinsdale]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

To stop Putin and have peace, you need to defeat Putin.

Which of course was the basis for the war to be drawn out. Things haven't quite turned out this way. It's Russia that's winning the war of attrition.

[RayC]

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The author is not one of leftist Politico's Bogeymans.

 

I assume that you mean "is" rather than "is not" otherwise this sentence makes no sense. Anyway ...

 

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

It must suck when you are confronted with reality and can only complain that the messenger works for a company your fav  propagandists hate

 

You really should adopt a more nuanced view of things. Just because your guy says A, B, C is true, you do not have to accept this as fact (or reality). It is quite possible to support A while disagreeing with B and C, although this will involve removing the blinkers and engaging in some critical analysis and thought.

 

There is a mixture of fact and opinion in the piece which does not equal reality. It is a comprehensive piece and I don't have time to list all my objections to it, so I will stick to the main theme.

 

The author states that since WW2, Europe's shape has largely been determined as a result of bi-lateral agreements between the US and Russia, and that the resulting conditions have (largely) been positive. Therefore, Europe should not fear any decisions made at a Putin - Trump meeting.

 

What this analysis ignores is that previous US administrations and the EU/ UK were singing from the same hymn sheet and desired the same outcome. Is that the case now? Can the EU/ UK rely on Trump to represent its' interests? I would suggest that the actions of the Trump presidency to date suggest otherwise. 

 

The author also states that the "idea that Putin wants to roll across EU’s and NATO’s borders is a matter of opinion and speculation, not of fact". Of course that is a truism, however, it is also equally true if one inserts " .. does not ..." between "Putin" and "want". Can the EU/ UK take a change that Putin will prove to be a benevolent victor, especially given that the safety net of US protection appears to be sagging? Imo no which  negates the author's conclusion that a good or bad deal (in Alaska) is irrelevant for Europe,

 

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What is an "Oban friendly" worldview? Reality?

 

Familiarise yourself with Orban and his views - especially wrt foreign affairs - then read some of the articles in 'Brussels Signal'. The answer should then become clear.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Which of course was the basis for the war to be drawn out. Things haven't quite turned out this way. It's Russia that's winning the war of attrition.

This war is about much more than just  the map. But Putin shills always insist on simplifying the complex.

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

What this analysis ignores is that previous US administrations and the EU/ UK were singing from the same hymn sheet and desired the same outcome.

Probably. For virtually the entire 20th century, as now, your entire continent is our client state. You cannot defend yourselves. Still. Thats the bottom line.

 

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

The author also states that the "idea that Putin wants to roll across EU’s and NATO’s borders is a matter of opinion and speculation, not of fact".

I would be stronger. I would call it a fantasy. Russia cant beat a bunch of rag tags now. Russia has NEVER been able to beat anyone despite their chest thumping that they won WW2. They have no Air Force, their SAMs are sh*t, their economy is in tatters. 

 

The days of <deleted>*ng over tank battles in the Gap are over.

 

22 minutes ago, RayC said:

Can the EU/ UK rely on Trump to represent its' interests?

Ukraine means nothing to the EU except as an excuse for authoritarian actions. If you guys cant settle it, we can.

 

24 minutes ago, RayC said:

Can the EU/ UK take a change that Putin will prove to be a benevolent victor, especially given that the safety net of US protection appears to be sagging?

Putin is old and the Russians want to make money. Saner heads will prevail over there.

 

PS, would you trade Konigsberg for Donbass? Thats a land swap I bet the Poles would love.

[Yagoda]

27 minutes ago, RayC said:

Familiarise yourself with Orban and his views - especially wrt foreign affairs - then read some of the articles in 'Brussels Signal'. The answer should then become clear.

I know all about Mr. Orban, our housekeeper here is Hungarian and sings his praises. You tell me whats WRONG with it.

 

 

[Yagoda]

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This war is about much more than just  the map. But Putin shills always insist on simplifying the complex.

This is an adult discussion, your hatespews against Putin add nothing.

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I know all about Mr. Orban, our housekeeper here is Hungarian and sings his praises. You tell me whats WRONG with it.

 

 

 

If you know all about Mr. Orban then why ask me to explain things to you?

 

What do I find objectionable about him? You mean apart from his authoritarianism and hypocrisy?

[RayC]

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Probably. For virtually the entire 20th century, as now, your entire continent is our client state. You cannot defend yourselves. Still. Thats the bottom line.

 

But it appears that you no longer want us as your client. If that's the case, don't meddle in affairs that are no longer your concern.

 

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I would be stronger. I would call it a fantasy. Russia cant beat a bunch of rag tags now. Russia has NEVER been able to beat anyone despite their chest thumping that they won WW2. They have no Air Force, their SAMs are sh*t, their economy is in tatters. 

 

The days of <deleted>*ng over tank battles in the Gap are over.

 

Then those of us in Europe have nothing to worry about. That's a relief.

 

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Ukraine means nothing to the EU except as an excuse for authoritarian actions.

 

Why would the EU want to exert authoritarian power over Ukraine? 

 

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

 

If you guys cant settle it, we can.

 

Given that you appear to be washing your hands of Europe, why embroil yourselves in Europe's domestic problems?

 

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Putin is old and the Russians want to make money. Saner heads will prevail over there.

 

Any idea when that might happen?

 

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

PS, would you trade Konigsberg for Donbass? Thats a land swap I bet the Poles would love.

 

I don't know enough about either region to comment. Maybe a Pole, German, Lithuanian, Ukrainian or Russian has a view.

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

If you know all about Mr. Orban then why ask me to explain things to you?

 

What do I find objectionable about him? You mean apart from his authoritarianism and hypocrisy?

Again, lets have some examples of how his polices are harming Hungarians. They recently re-elected him, right? 

 

Who is calling him authoritarian? The EU hahahahahaha

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

But it appears that you no longer want us as your client. If that's the case, don't meddle in affairs that are no longer your concern.

We will let you know. We decide what is in our concern, not you.

 

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Why would the EU want to exert authoritarian power over Ukraine? 

 

Over their own people. Got to have a boogeyman.

 

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Given that you appear to be washing your hands of Europe, why embroil yourselves in Europe's domestic problems?

Bad for business

 

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Any idea when that might happen?

Could be today.

 

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

I don't know enough about either region to comment. Maybe a Pole, German, Lithuanian, Ukrainian or Russian has a view.

Wow. And you are arguing on behalf of "Europe"

[RayC]

22 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Again, lets have some examples of how his polices are harming Hungarians. They recently re-elected him, right? 

 

No not again. Stop lying. I did not say that Orban was bad for Hungary. I implied that he was bad for the EU.

 

Orban's views and actions are at odds with almost all the other EU member states. If Hungarians are happy with him as their leader, fine, but why should the EU put up with him? If Orban is so disenchanted with the EU then the honourable thing would be to stand on a platform of withdrawing Hungary from the EU at the next GE and let the Hungarian public decide if that's what they want. He won't do it of course, he will simply continue to undermine the EU from within.

 

Don't ask me to give you specific examples: I'm not here to spoon-feed you, but I'm start you off. Look at Orban's page on Wiki and follow the trail from there.

 

22 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Who is calling him authoritarian? The EU hahahahahaha

 

The EU and most people with an understanding of liberal democratic values.

[RayC]

29 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

We will let you know. We decide what is in our concern, not you.

 

If you want to interfere in Europe's affairs, you need to give something back.

 

29 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Over their own people. Got to have a boogeyman.

 

Gibberish.

 

29 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Bad for business

 

Tough. Get over it. 

 

29 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Could be today.

 

I wouldn't place too big a wager on that happening if I were you.

 

29 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Wow. And you are arguing on behalf of "Europe"

 

Wow. Listen to the expert on all things European.

 

No doubt you have an unrivalled knowledge of Flemish nationalism, the structural challenges facing German industry and the effects of the CAP on European ... I'll leave you to look up what CAP stands for.

[Yagoda]

30 minutes ago, RayC said:

If you want to interfere in Europe's affairs, you need to give something back.

No, we dont.

 

42 minutes ago, RayC said:

No not again. Stop lying. I did not say that Orban was bad for Hungary. I implied that he was bad for the EU.

Oh good. I agree. He is bad for the EU. Sorry I misunderstood. 

 

43 minutes ago, RayC said:

The EU and most people with an understanding of liberal democratic values.

We decide what liberal democratic values are.

 

32 minutes ago, RayC said:

No doubt you have an unrivalled knowledge of Flemish nationalism,

Indeed the Femings and Waloons fighting over some soggy tourist trap. Very important. As usual, 16th century attitudes.

 

33 minutes ago, RayC said:

the structural challenges facing German industry a

Sure lets start with the Green destruction of German energy

 

34 minutes ago, RayC said:

and the effects of the CAP on European

You mean Bolshevik style central planning and Green tyranny?

[RayC]

41 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No, we dont.

 

Actually you do. There are plenty of alternatives.

 

41 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh good. I agree. He is bad for the EU. Sorry I misunderstood. 

 

Excellent. A point of agreement.

 

41 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

We decide what liberal democratic values are.

 

😂

 

41 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Indeed the Femings and Waloons fighting over some soggy tourist trap. Very important. As usual, 16th century attitudes.

 

There really was no need to prove my point.

 

41 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Sure lets start with the Green destruction of German energy

 

You start the ball rolling.

 

41 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You mean Bolshevik style central planning and Green tyranny?

 

There really was no need to prove my point. (Cut and paste is so useful).

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No, we dont.

 

Oh good. I agree. He is bad for the EU. Sorry I misunderstood. 

 

We decide what liberal democratic values are.

 

Indeed the Femings and Waloons fighting over some soggy tourist trap. Very important. As usual, 16th century attitudes.

 

Sure lets start with the Green destruction of German energy

 

You mean Bolshevik style central planning and Green tyranny?

 

It's late and whatever you smoked or drinks tonight it doesn't make you anymore clever or smarter. 

 

You are completely far out

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

It's late and whatever you smoked or drinks tonight it doesn't make you anymore clever or smarter. 

 

You are completely far out

Spoken like a man living in a place protected by the Finns

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Spoken like a man living in a place protected by the Finns

Spoken like a true American typewriter hero, who never been to army or challenged physically once in his life. Big mouth they usually have. Just look at the President, weak man who never done any challenging physically work or combat once in his lifetime 

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

who never been to army or challenged physically once in his life

How do you know?

 

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Just look at the President, weak man who never done any challenging physically work or combat once in his lifetime 

As opposed to you LOL

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

How do you know?

 

As opposed to you LOL

One who served do not act undisciplined as you do. 

 

I think I'm a more man than Trump ever will be! 

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

One who served do not act undisciplined as you do. 

 

I think I'm a more man than Trump ever will be! 

Those who brag generally have no basis therefor

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Those who brag generally have no basis therefor

Nice try,  to be a more man Than Trump is not much to brag about, and not hard to be a better man than him.

 

Time to turn on Fox news, meeting soon Pagoda. 

[sqwakvfr]

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

Nice try,  to be a more man Than Trump is not much to brag about, and not hard to be a better man than him.

 

Time to turn on Fox news, meeting soon Pagoda. 

Just saw the non news conference in Alaska.  Does not sound like anything was actually was accomplished except for Putin's last message "next time in Moscow". 

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 8/14/2025 at 9:49 PM, Jingthing said:

Caving to Putin won't bring peace.

Only total naive fools don't realize that Putin's goals will remain maximalist and any pause is just a pause until he regroups and goes for more later.

To stop Putin and have peace, you need to defeat Putin.

 

Just a few years ago your top player was all about selling them uranium. What changed?(other than all the vile anti Russian hoaxes)

[Jingthing]

6 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

Just saw the non news conference in Alaska.  Does not sound like anything was actually was accomplished except for Putin's last message "next time in Moscow". 

Putin is just stalling so that Trump never puts on secondary sanctions. Trump is such a fool!