6 minutes ago, RayC said:

that doesn't appear likely.

Of course it's not likely now,there was an agreement on the table almost signed,but Borris Johnson 'persuaded’ Zelinsky to fight for 'democracy' 

'the rules based order',

we got your back,

stick it to Putin (Hitler)

you can win bla bla bla...yeah right !

 

As Putin is 'winning' it is he who will dictate the terms and the terms will get  worse  for Ukraine the longer they resist...thats just the way it is.

 

1 hour ago, johng said:

NATO has been providing (almost) everything to Ukraine in it's proxy war against Russia..you do know its a proxy war right ?

Stated aim, to deminish Russian influence in the region,regime change,breakup of Russia while using Ukrainians as cannon fodder instead of NATO troops.

Pure russian propaganda again. NATO is NOT involved (yet).

Instead, North Korea is clearly involved with troops (boots on the ground fighting for russia.

 

And the BS about proxy war is again putin-speach, comrade johng.

 

On 8/15/2025 at 8:29 PM, Yagoda said:

PS, would you trade Konigsberg for Donbass? Thats a land swap I bet the Poles would love.

 

On 8/15/2025 at 8:58 PM, RayC said:

I don't know enough about either region to comment. Maybe a Pole, German, Lithuanian, Ukrainian or Russian has a view.

 

Comrade Genrikh. You should know better than that. I even posted a 1939 map of Poland's borders in one of your topics. Seems you can't even read a simple map, or are there some memory neurons missing?

 

To answer RayC; Königsberg was part of what was then Eastern Prussia, later Germany. It was never part of Poland unlike North-West Ukraine.

It was occupied together with the Baltic Republics by the advancing Red Army in 1945. Needles to say, it was never returned to an independent state, as it is now Russian only ice free port in the Baltic Sea.

Poland doesn't have any expansionistic aspirations. Throughout the history it was always the conquered, rather than the conqueror.

 

What comrade Genrikh should suggest instead, was to return Texas and California together with the other 8 US states that were part of Mexico until 1836. 

I bet Mexicans would love that. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

What comrade Genrikh should suggest instead, was to return Texas and California together with the other 8 US states that were part of Mexico until 1836. 

I bet Mexicans would love that. 

 

That's pretty stupid even for you

1 hour ago, johng said:

Of course it's not likely now,there was an agreement on the table almost signed,but Borris Johnson 'persuaded’ Zelinsky to fight for 'democracy' 

'the rules based order',

we got your back,

stick it to Putin (Hitler)

you can win bla bla bla...yeah right !

 

As Putin is 'winning' it is he who will dictate the terms and the terms will get  worse  for Ukraine the longer they resist...thats just the way it is.

 

The so called deal was completely unacceptable. It gave Russia veto rights on any actions regarding security guarantees about resisting Russian aggression. It was even worse than the Budapest memorandum.

58 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

And the BS about proxy war is again putin-speach

You are very un-informed  proxy war has been admitted by both US and Euro politicians.

1 hour ago, johng said:

You are very un-informed  proxy war has been admitted by both US and Euro politicians.

You can once inform yourself what a "proxy-war" is. I don't discuss at such a deep level of education comrade johng.

3 hours ago, johng said:

Of course it's not likely now,there was an agreement on the table almost signed,but Borris Johnson 'persuaded’ Zelinsky to fight for 'democracy' 

'the rules based order',

we got your back,

stick it to Putin (Hitler)

you can win bla bla bla...yeah right !

 

No such deal ever existed

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/12/zelenskyy-rejects-claim-boris-johnson-talked-him-out-of-2022-peace-deal

 

3 hours ago, johng said:

As Putin is 'winning' it is he who will dictate the terms and the terms will get  worse  for Ukraine the longer they resist...thats just the way it is.

 

 

Justification for Russia's "Special Military Operation (SMO)" in Ukraine. Televised speech by Putin, 22 February (translation)

 

" (The SMO's) goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years. And for this we will strive for the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine, as well as bringing to justice those who committed numerous, bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation.”

 

I am not saying that Putin's speech has any validity or veracity, but - if 3 years of fighting hasn't achieved them to date - is there any reason why those goals could be discussed at the negotiating table?

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

That's pretty stupid even for you

Not more than your suggestion. But Septics know SFA about European history so it's not unexpected.

And, BTW, EU is not a country, neither is NATO...

44 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

Not more than your suggestion. But Septics know SFA about European history so it's not unexpected.

And, BTW, EU is not a country, neither is NATO...

But you will all do what we say and you will kiss our butts while doing so. Now go cut a deal. 

Putin is using every delay tactic he can because he wants Ukraine-Period. The Europeans better get their act together and increase their military before it's too late and Putin comes knocking at their door.  Now is the time for "ACTION" and NO "BS talking" to secure borders with military power since that is all Putin recognizes.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

But you will all do what we say and you will kiss our butts while doing so. Now go cut a deal. 

In your dreams товарищ.

There is no deal to be made. Russia has to get out of Ukraine, return all the POW and abducted children, and pay for the restoration of the country.

That's the quickest way to end the war. Of course, your war mongering POTUS doesn't like that. Bad for US arms industry... And we all know that US is the largest arms dealer on the planet.

1 minute ago, SpaceKadet said:

Russia has to get out of Ukraine, return all the POW and abducted children, and pay for the restoration of the country.

Enjoy your fantasy

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

But you will all do what we say and you will kiss our butts while doing so. Now go cut a deal. 

 

I suggest you seek some professional medical help.............urgently

4 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

I suggest you seek some professional medical help.............urgently

Thanks Doc I'm glad you think that people who hate socialism need medical help

4 hours ago, Dan747 said:

Putin is using every delay tactic he can because he wants Ukraine-Period. The Europeans better get their act together and increase their military before it's too late and Putin comes knocking at their door.  Now is the time for "ACTION" and NO "BS talking" to secure borders with military power since that is all Putin recognizes.

Putin takes Europe.

 

ROTFLMAO

11 hours ago, johng said:

Of course it's not likely now,there was an agreement on the table almost signed,but Borris Johnson 'persuaded’ Zelinsky to fight for 'democracy' 

'the rules based order',

we got your back,

stick it to Putin (Hitler)

you can win bla bla bla...yeah right !

 

As Putin is 'winning' it is he who will dictate the terms and the terms will get  worse  for Ukraine the longer they resist...thats just the way it is.

 

"an agreement on the table almost signed,but Borris Johnson 'persuaded’ Zelinsky to fight"

 

Check your facts, this never happened

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Putin takes Europe.

 

ROTFLMAO

Dude looks under his bed for monsters every night.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Dude looks under his bed for monsters every night.

What’s stranger is he actually finds them there.

Ukrainian leaflet Dropped over Russian positions today

 

 

"Occupier, you do not understand and will not understand why we do not want to be part of your country. We don't want a dictator like you do, and at whose will you will soon become manure for our black soil. Perhaps you will become a beautiful sunflower. Or an ear of wheat grown on Ukrainian land.

Freedom and Independence, human life are the main values. But you don't understand that either. I am sorry that you came to my home with the purpose of killing me and taking what is rightfully mine. Not yours. But I will kill you without regret, because I am defending my Independence, my relatives, and my country.

 

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY OF UKRAINE!"

 

 

11 hours ago, Seppius said:

Ukrainian leaflet Dropped over Russian positions today

 

 

"Occupier, you do not understand and will not understand why we do not want to be part of your country. We don't want a dictator like you do, and at whose will you will soon become manure for our black soil. Perhaps you will become a beautiful sunflower. Or an ear of wheat grown on Ukrainian land.

Freedom and Independence, human life are the main values. But you don't understand that either. I am sorry that you came to my home with the purpose of killing me and taking what is rightfully mine. Not yours. But I will kill you without regret, because I am defending my Independence, my relatives, and my country.

 

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY OF UKRAINE!"

 

 

What a bunch of bull<deleted> . Talking about "Freedom and Independence, human life are the main values" and then using nazi tryzub sign under which your predecessors murdered over 100k people in 1943. Hypocrisy level600.

2 minutes ago, t0mt0m said:

What a bunch of bull<deleted> . Talking about "Freedom and Independence, human life are the main values" and then using nazi tryzub sign under which your predecessors murdered over 100k people in 1943. Hypocrisy level600.

Ukrainians don’t want to be slaves of Russia.

Poles don't either.

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Ukrainians don’t want to be slaves of Russia.

Poles don't either.

Sure they don't. But Ukrainians weren't smart enough to make a good choices about their politics so sh%^t hit the fan. You know, it's same like in mental hospital - can you imagine what a mess it might be if inmates were left without any control ? 

 

Poles don't feel threatened by Russia. Moreover since more and more polish people here are aware what's going on in this conflict we feel more threatened by Ukraine and their people here. Mr president Putin is not a threat for us.

 

And as always - you totally miss the point and showing your ignorance about Ukraine and it's history. I was talking about this black sign on the picture. I strongly recommend you to at least check google pictures typing "zbrodnia wołyńska".

10 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

Sure they don't. But Ukrainians weren't smart enough to make a good choices about their politics so sh%^t hit the fan. You know, it's same like in mental hospital - can you imagine what a mess it might be if inmates were left without any control ? 

 

Poles don't feel threatened by Russia. Moreover since more and more polish people here are aware what's going on in this conflict we feel more threatened by Ukraine and their people here. Mr president Putin is not a threat for us.

 

And as always - you totally miss the point and showing your ignorance about Ukraine and it's history. I was talking about this black sign on the picture. I strongly recommend you to at least check google pictures typing "zbrodnia wołyńska".

Next you'll be saying the Baltic countries don't feel threatened by Russia. 

I have an acid test question for you.

Do you believe Zelinskyy or Putin about the stolen Ukrainian children?

Sorry this link is old but the level of Polish disdain for Putin then was very massive.

Maybe its less now but no way that its totally reversed.

 

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/22/poland-russia-biden-xi-putin-nato-confidence-ukraine/

 

Almost all Poles say they see Russia as a major threat, according to a report released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. Some 97 percent of Poles also say they have little or no confidence in Russian President Vladimir Putin “to do the right thing regarding world affairs.” The Russian invasion of Ukraine, now reaching its four-month mark, has accelerated a dramatic shift in attitudes in Poland—specifically toward NATO, the European Union, and the issue of immigration

"Russia’s Top Drone Maker Faces Collapse After Ukrainian Strikes and Crushing Debts"

 

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-top-drone-maker-faces-collapse-after-ukrainian-strikes-and-crushing-debts-11077

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Seppius said:

"Russia’s Top Drone Maker Faces Collapse After Ukrainian Strikes and Crushing Debts"

 

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-top-drone-maker-faces-collapse-after-ukrainian-strikes-and-crushing-debts-11077

 

 

 

 

I don't even know how to discuss with you because I feel like I'm trying to talk with a blind man about colors. As tle classic said : "Well ... it's just your opinion man". Everything you said is just wishy-washy. Bunch of cliches from TV about Putin trying to take over whole Europe, "stolen" children, some manipulated youtube links or totally irrelevant fake survey (this one was a real LMAO ). You're not even tryin' to scratch the surface to find the truth about this stupid conflict (still dunno why everyone call it a war). Ukraine had many chances to stop it already. I suppose you're not even an european and trying to judge everything from own, apparently very limited perspective. My advice - stop being so biased, open your eyes if you wanna know the truth about Ukraine. Otherwise you're just another useful idiot, mob follower or like a sea bass swallowing every artificial bite at your sight. Sorry for my harsh words but frankly speaking most of you guys here got no clue about this conflict.

I can see what is happening in my country since we took in almost 4mlns Ukrainians. If you wanna know - just ask. I can provide information. Because of my occupation I have an everyday firsthand account from both Russia and Ukraine. 

Maybe you can tell me why everyday I see young, strong ukrainian men having fun in expensive restaurants, driving their expensive SUVs, drunk peeing on the streets, having fun on concerts while waving banderists flag , singing songs about their banderist heroes who are the same level as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Netanjahu - and why they still taking the polish welfare ? Why they are in Poland instead sitting in the ditches and fight for their country ? Why while travelling I see rich happy ukrainian families in Dubai/Doha, or typical ukrainian "duck-lip" woman (seriously, these lips is an epitome of ukrainian modern woman) carrying huge bags filled with fancy Gucci/LV, expensive stuff ? Or maybe this warmonger above (Seppius) can tell me why it is like this ? Hej Seppius, are you sending posts from enemy line ditch or just sitting comfortably somewhere outside Ukraine and watching your homies bleeding ? Why part of Ukraine is still soaked to the core with this nazi/fascist ideology ? Why Germans banned swastika but Ukraine still using tryzub? Why they still bleeding their own country out by the hands of poor ukrainian people and still trying to get us (rest of the world) involved in all this mess they created ? Why TCK kidnapping people from the ukrainian streets? Why the weapon sent as a help to Ukraine was found in Mexico and ho made a lot o money selling it to the cartels ? Ukraine just sucks my home country (with UE idiotic politics permission ). Ukraine sucks in general since I remember. They got such a big potential but waste everything with corruption and bad leader. We - Poles, are feeling tired of this. "Gimme, gimme, gimme" this is everything we hear while Ukraine staying so ungrateful.  Paying this humungous money is not helping anymore.  This is just a well without bottom and giving money and weapon to them is nothing else just keep this conflict going in the name of politics and so called "elites" interests.

25 minutes ago, t0mt0m said:

I don't even know how to discuss with you because I feel like I'm trying to talk with a blind man about colors. As tle classic said : "Well ... it's just your opinion man". Everything you said is just wishy-washy. Bunch of cliches from TV about Putin trying to take over whole Europe, "stolen" children, some manipulated youtube links or totally irrelevant fake survey (this one was a real LMAO ). You're not even tryin' to scratch the surface to find the truth about this stupid conflict (still dunno why everyone call it a war). Ukraine had many chances to stop it already. I suppose you're not even an european and trying to judge everything from own, apparently very limited perspective. My advice - stop being so biased, open your eyes if you wanna know the truth about Ukraine. Otherwise you're just another useful idiot, mob follower or like a sea bass swallowing every artificial bite at your sight. Sorry for my harsh words but frankly speaking most of you guys here got no clue about this conflict.

I can see what is happening in my country since we took in almost 4mlns Ukrainians. If you wanna know - just ask. I can provide information. Because of my occupation I have an everyday firsthand account from both Russia and Ukraine. 

Maybe you can tell me why everyday I see young, strong ukrainian men having fun in expensive restaurants, driving their expensive SUVs, drunk peeing on the streets, having fun on concerts while waving banderists flag , singing songs about their banderist heroes who are the same level as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Netanjahu - and why they still taking the polish welfare ? Why they are in Poland instead sitting in the ditches and fight for their country ? Why while travelling I see rich happy ukrainian families in Dubai/Doha, or typical ukrainian "duck-lip" woman (seriously, these lips is an epitome of ukrainian modern woman) carrying huge bags filled with fancy Gucci/LV, expensive stuff ? Or maybe this warmonger above (Seppius) can tell me why it is like this ? Hej Seppius, are you sending posts from enemy line ditch or just sitting comfortably somewhere outside Ukraine and watching your homies bleeding ? Why part of Ukraine is still soaked to the core with this nazi/fascist ideology ? Why Germans banned swastika but Ukraine still using tryzub? Why they still bleeding their own country out by the hands of poor ukrainian people and still trying to get us (rest of the world) involved in all this mess they created ? Why TCK kidnapping people from the ukrainian streets? Why the weapon sent as a help to Ukraine was found in Mexico and ho made a lot o money selling it to the cartels ? Ukraine just sucks my home country (with UE idiotic politics permission ). Ukraine sucks in general since I remember. They got such a big potential but waste everything with corruption and bad leader. We - Poles, are feeling tired of this. "Gimme, gimme, gimme" this is everything we hear while Ukraine staying so ungrateful.  Paying this humungous money is not helping anymore.  This is just a well without bottom and giving money and weapon to them is nothing else just keep this conflict going in the name of politics and so called "elites" interests.

Not a war huh?

You just confirmed you're a Putin propagandist 100 percent.

31 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not a war huh?

You just confirmed you're a Putin propagandist 100 percent.

Yeah, sit in your rabbit hole and keep feeding yourself with the lies if you like to live this way 

1 hour ago, t0mt0m said:

Yeah, sit in your rabbit hole and keep feeding yourself with the lies if you like to live this way 

Vile.