Never mind. At least now the whole world has Donald Trump, the greatest hero since George Washington crossed the Rubicon to defeat Alexander the Great.

2 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

Nothing wrong with having a Palestinian state, problem is the terrorists of Hamas... which must go. The PA in the West Bank seems to be getting along just fine. Get rid of Hamas, and let the Palestinian Aurthorities in the West Bank take over and give it a shot. 

As an aside, there should already be a Patestinian state, as Clinton almost did it in the early 90s, Israel agreed to it... but Arafat ultimately said "No".

That’s wrong. The two-state process in the 1990s was undermined by actions on both sides, but Israel played the major role in derailing it. After the Oslo Accords, settlement expansion continued, even though it was supposed to stop. That weakened Palestinian trust and undercut moderate leaders like Yasser Arafat. IMHO, this will be the downfall of any peace process, there are many illegal settlements still in the West Bank and Jerulesel with crazy Israeli ministers planning more, as they think international law doesn't apply to them. 

Israeli far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has said plans to build more than 3,000 homes in a controversial settlement project in the occupied West Bank will "bury the idea of a Palestinian state".

The so-called E1 project between Jerusalem and the Maale Adumim settlement has been frozen for decades amid fierce opposition internationally. Building there would effectively cut off the West Bank from occupied East Jerusalem.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgdzxpkdd7o

 

The person who came closest to achieving peace was Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. He signed the Oslo Accords and genuinely pursued a two-state solution. He was assassinated in 1995 by an Israeli right-wing extremist who opposed peace with the Palestinians. His death opened the door for someone with similar right wing views, Benjamin Netanyahu to get into power and since then, settlement growth and hardline policies have made a Palestinian state much harder to achieve. With Netanyahu in power, there will never be any peace! 

41 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Did i miss something? I think not

 

That’s surely antisemitism. 😉

5 minutes ago, JimCM said:

That’s wrong. The two-state process in the 1990s was undermined by actions on both sides, but Israel played the major role in derailing it. After the Oslo Accords, settlement expansion continued, even though it was supposed to stop. That weakened Palestinian trust and undercut moderate leaders like Yasser Arafat. IMHO, this will be the downfall of any peace process, there are many illegal settlements still in the West Bank and Jerulesel with crazy Israeli ministers planning more, as they think international law doesn't apply to them. 

Israeli far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has said plans to build more than 3,000 homes in a controversial settlement project in the occupied West Bank will "bury the idea of a Palestinian state".

The so-called E1 project between Jerusalem and the Maale Adumim settlement has been frozen for decades amid fierce opposition internationally. Building there would effectively cut off the West Bank from occupied East Jerusalem.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgdzxpkdd7o

 

The person who came closest to achieving peace was Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. He signed the Oslo Accords and genuinely pursued a two-state solution. He was assassinated in 1995 by an Israeli right-wing extremist who opposed peace with the Palestinians. His death opened the door for someone with similar right wing views, Benjamin Netanyahu to get into power and since then, settlement growth and hardline policies have made a Palestinian state much harder to achieve. With Netanyahu in power, there will never be any peace! 

Whilst some of your answer has merit, I would not be quoting the BBC as an unbiased news source... it's hopelessly biased and agenda-driven. Try a neutral news source like Ground News... way better.

1 minute ago, Sir Dude said:

Whilst some of your answer has merit, I would not be quoting the BBC as an unbiased news source... it's hopelessly biased and agenda-driven. Try a neutral news source like Ground News... way better.

I’ll check it out.

24 minutes ago, JimCM said:

That’s wrong. The two-state process in the 1990s was undermined by actions on both sides, but Israel played the major role in derailing it. After the Oslo Accords, settlement expansion continued, even though it was supposed to stop. That weakened Palestinian trust and undercut moderate leaders like Yasser Arafat. IMHO, this will be the downfall of any peace process, there are many illegal settlements still in the West Bank and Jerulesel with crazy Israeli ministers planning more, as they think international law doesn't apply to them. 

Israeli far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has said plans to build more than 3,000 homes in a controversial settlement project in the occupied West Bank will "bury the idea of a Palestinian state".

The so-called E1 project between Jerusalem and the Maale Adumim settlement has been frozen for decades amid fierce opposition internationally. Building there would effectively cut off the West Bank from occupied East Jerusalem.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgdzxpkdd7o

 

The person who came closest to achieving peace was Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. He signed the Oslo Accords and genuinely pursued a two-state solution. He was assassinated in 1995 by an Israeli right-wing extremist who opposed peace with the Palestinians. His death opened the door for someone with similar right wing views, Benjamin Netanyahu to get into power and since then, settlement growth and hardline policies have made a Palestinian state much harder to achieve. With Netanyahu in power, there will never be any peace! 

You neglected to mention the continuous wave of terrorist attacks targeting Israel’s civilian population, which was the primary factor that derailed the Oslo peace process.

34 minutes ago, JimCM said:

That’s surely antisemitism. 😉

 

   What  funny joke ..........................🥴

I don't disagree in principle. But let's get the place rebuilt and get a functioning economy in place before charging to statehood. What kind of state would be 100% reliant on foreign aid, with no intrastructure, and in the midst of political upheaval? 

 

Let the builders rebuild Gaza. Give the people time to enjoy life without constant threats. Let them enjoy prosperity. Then a state can come. 

8 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

But what is a Palestinian?

 

Pretty tired and hungry, I'd imagine. 

2 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

there should already be a Patestinian state, as Clinton almost did it in the early 90s, Israel agreed to it... but Arafat ultimately said "No".

 

In their Letters of Mutual Recognition of 9 September 1993, days before the signing of the Oslo I Accord, each party agreed to accept the other as a negotiation partner. The PLO recognized the State of Israel. Israel recognized the PLO as "the representative of the Palestinian people"; no more, no less.

51 minutes ago, JimCM said:

With Netanyahu in power, there will never be any peace! 

 

Undoubtedly. And unlike Duterte, Netanyahu is unlikely to be betrayed by his own political foes.

 

They stick together. Even mafioso are allowed to live in Israel freely.

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't disagree in principle. But let's get the place rebuilt and get a functioning economy in place before charging to statehood. What kind of state would be 100% reliant on foreign aid, with no intrastructure, and in the midst of political upheaval? 

 

Let the builders rebuild Gaza. Give the people time to enjoy life without constant threats. Let them enjoy prosperity. Then a state can come. 

 

    How long will it take to rebuild Gaza ?

50 years ?

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    How long will it take to rebuild Gaza ?

50 years ?

Probably less than five.  Hotels and casinos are not particularly complicated, and there are templates available.

How would being recognized as a state benefit non-combatant residents of Palestine?

The Palestinian lack the chops or the leadership to run their own state.  

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

How would being recognized as a state benefit non-combatant residents of Palestine?

It will give the "leaders" the ability to get more foreign aid to enrich themselves in the name of the little people

9 minutes ago, Fact said:

It will give the "leaders" the ability to get more foreign aid to enrich themselves in the name of the little people

 You mean the same as any Politicians throughout the world?

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 You mean the same as any Politicians throughout the world?

The most straightforward path to wealth is by becoming an elected official.  In these third-world countries, it's even worse.   Yasser Arafat's net worth was estimated to be around $1 billion.  

There will be lots of lies and propaganda from Israel, they are itching to force all a Gazans out, or kill them.

From the UN special Rapporteur- 
 

 

Again: Ceasefire according to Israel=“you cease, I fire.” Calling it “peace” is both an insult and a distraction.
All eyes on Palestine: Israel must face justice, sanctions, divestment, boycott UNTIL occupation, apartheid and genocide are over and every crime is accounted for.

 

 

2 minutes ago, JimCM said:

There will be lots of lies and propaganda from Israel, they are itching to force all a Gazans out, or kill them.

From the UN special Rapporteur- 
 

 

Again: Ceasefire according to Israel=“you cease, I fire.” Calling it “peace” is both an insult and a distraction.
All eyes on Palestine: Israel must face justice, sanctions, divestment, boycott UNTIL occupation, apartheid and genocide are over and every crime is accounted for.

 

 

 

    Hamas gunmen crossed the cease-fire line and IDF shot them .

Hamas broke the ceasefire agreement by crossing the line

38 minutes ago, mogandave said:

How would being recognized as a state benefit non-combatant residents of Palestine?

It would give its non-combatant residents international legal status, stronger access to aid, and a voice in global institutions. Meanwhile, Israel continues to expand hundreds of illegal settlements in occupied territory, violating international law and worsening daily life for Palestinians. True peace requires accountability, an end to occupation, and recognition of Palestinians’ right to self-determination. 

2 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Palestinians’ right to self-determination. 

The last time the Palestinians had the opportunity to exercise self-determination, they elected Hamas.

1 minute ago, Fact said:

The last time the Palestinians had the opportunity to exercise self-determination, they elected Hamas.

That’s nonsense. Palestinians haven’t had a real chance to vote or live freely in nearly 20 years. You can’t call it “self-determination” when they’re under occupation, facing blockades, and denied basic political rights. One flawed election doesn’t erase decades of systemic control.

Just now, JimCM said:

It would give its non-combatant residents international legal status,

How have their lives improved since the UK, France, China, Spain and the other 130 countries have recognized them as a state? How would international legal status help them?

Just now, JimCM said:

stronger access to aid,

In what way? 

Just now, JimCM said:

and a voice in global institutions.

What global institutions? 

Just now, JimCM said:

Meanwhile, Israel continues to expand hundreds of illegal settlements in occupied territory, violating international law and worsening daily life for Palestinians. True peace requires accountability, an end to occupation, and recognition of Palestinians’ right to self-determination. 

What international laws are being violated?

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

That’s nonsense. Palestinians haven’t had a real chance to vote or live freely in nearly 20 years. You can’t call it “self-determination” when they’re under occupation, facing blockades, and denied basic political rights. One flawed election doesn’t erase decades of systemic control.

The Palestinians are stupid people who will never build a stable nation. Why do you people put so much effort into defending these silly people?

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

That’s nonsense. Palestinians haven’t had a real chance to vote or live freely in nearly 20 years. You can’t call it “self-determination” when they’re under occupation, facing blockades, and denied basic political rights. One flawed election doesn’t erase decades of systemic control.

Twenty years ago they voted for Hamas and the eradication of Israel.

5 minutes ago, Fact said:

The most straightforward path to wealth is by becoming an elected official.  In these third-world countries, it's even worse.   Yasser Arafat's net worth was estimated to be around $1 billion.  

 

So you agree with me, all politicians are bent as a 9 bob note

1 hour ago, Fact said:

Yasser Arafat's net worth was estimated to be around $1 billion.  

 

Peanuts to what some politicians are worth in developed countries, and your hero in the US has made probably more through corruption in the last 9 months alone.

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

 

Peanuts to what some politicians are worth in developed countries, and your hero in the US has made probably more through corruption in the last 9 months alone.

Can you back that up or are you just lying like always? 

43 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So you agree with me, all politicians are bent as a 9 bob note

It is about as likely that they are all bent as it is they are all straight.