2 hours ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

Considered to be 'the' national dish of the UK by who? There is no officially recognised one. It's just a lame claim popularised by people obsessed with diversity and multiculturalism.

 

Ask anyone in another country to name a British dish and they will invariably say 'Fish and Chips' or 'English Breakfast' 🙂

Chicken tikka masala is a British dish.

6 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Once you get PR:

No more visa renewals

No 90-day reporting

No work permit needed

Can buy land, vote in local elections, open unrestricted bank accounts

More nonsense.

You need to renew visa every 5 years, I think.

You need a WP.

You can't buy land or vote.

7 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

. In contrast, an immigrant has Permanent Residency (PR) or Thai citizenship — a rare status granted to only 100 people per nationality per year, requiring at least three years of legal work, high income, Thai language skills, and a rigorous application

I've no idea where you get this misinformation from.

There is no limit for Thai citizenship per year. Income is only 40k if married to a local, and no Thai language requirements. PR is 80k, less than £2000.

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Wrong again. 😄

 

Expat is short for Expatriate. The term "expatriate" is commonly used in employment law and tax law. It is relevant for individuals working abroad, as well as for businesses that send employees overseas. Legal issues may arise regarding labor rights, tax obligations, and immigration status.

 

Give up James. 😆

Oxford English Dictionary (OED):

Expat (noun): a person who lives outside their native country.
Short for “expatriate.”

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Cambridge Dictionary:

Expat (noun): someone who lives in a country that is not their own country.

You're welcome Jonathan 😁 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Got it—you want to cherry-pick your racism. The food’s fine, but the people aren’t?

 

Or is it that “there’s just too many of em” for it to be acceptable?

 

By the way, Indian cuisine is considered the national dish of the UK. If there’s ever been a clearer sign that multiculturalism can be a positive force, that’s it.

 

Fortunately, not everyone shares that kind of prejudice.

 

That’s not to say there aren’t challenges in communities of immigrants or non-White populations - but the issues they face are generated by socio-economics, not race. The same struggles, social environments, and types of crime are seen in predominantly White areas with similar circumstances. Race is rarely the problem; inequality is.

 

Also, to be clear - the Rotherham assaults mentioned earlier in the thread are a different issue. Those crimes were not about race, but rather a deeply ingrained misogyny tied to cultural attitudes, which should be addressed as a social and criminal issue, not a racial one.

Not quite "national dish". There was a survey of favourite takeaway. I believe Chicken Tikka Masala, a dish first created in UK, was top of the list.

37 minutes ago, JimCM said:

I've no idea where you get this misinformation from.

There is no limit for Thai citizenship per year. Income is only 40k if married to a local, and no Thai language requirements. PR is 80k, less than £2000.

You need to update your knowledge.

56 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Chicken tikka masala is a British dish.

 

...but not the national dish

 

17 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Not quite "national dish". There was a survey of favourite takeaway. I believe Chicken Tikka Masala, a dish first created in UK, was top of the list.

 

Exactly. It's just the results of surveys which all give different answers. Last time I looked, pizza was the winner.

15 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

You need to update your knowledge.

What you quoted is 100% correct. Which part do you disagree with?

24 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Not quite "national dish". There was a survey of favourite takeaway. I believe Chicken Tikka Masala, a dish first created in UK, was top of the list.

 

Yup - I've seen it on various surveys as 'most eaten dish' in the UK...   other surveys have 'Sunday Roast' as a favourite, and of course, fish and chips is up there...  

 

The point remains the same though - the UK is multicultural and the food is just one example - every town in the UK has a Fish & Chip shop, a Chinese Takeaway and a couple of Curry houses... 

 

My Wife asked me - "why don't people (in the UK) try and make themselves more clearly understood when speaking with a foreigner ?"... my answer... "They don't know you're a foreigner"...  IMO thats a good thing - but for some on this forum it clear that its not...    the irony of course is that 'we' (many of us anyway) could be considered 'immigrants' to Thailand, meanwhile, the bigots get their panties twisted up in a racist muddle.

 

 

4 hours ago, JimCM said:

What you quoted is 100% correct. Which part do you disagree with?

You are speaking about two different things. Citizenship and PR.

 

The cost and the salary requirements are different. PR is not 80k. Also there are language requirements. PR requires an "understanding" of Thai. 

 

For citizenship you need to be able to sing the national anthem, read, write and speak Thai. There is a limit by nationality also.

 

https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand-visa/permanent-residence-thailand

 

 

12 hours ago, JimCM said:

More nonsense.

You need to renew visa every 5 years, I think.

You need a WP.

You can't buy land or vote.

Oh DEAR me, you really need to do some research.........you really are embarrassing yourself!

 

. "You need to renew visa every 5 years"FALSE.

• PR holders do NOT have a visa — they have a Permanent Resident Certificate (ใบถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร).
• No renewal ever — it is permanent for life (unless revoked for crime).
  → Source: Immigration Act B.E. 2522, Section 42
  "The alien shall be granted permission to reside in the Kingdom permanently."

. "You need a WP (work permit)"FALSE.

• PR holders are EXEMPT from work permits — they can work any job, any company, no restrictions.
  → Source: Alien Working Act B.E. 2551, Section 7(2)
  "This Act shall not apply to aliens who have been granted permanent residence."

"You can't buy land"FALSE.

• PR holders CAN buy land — up to 1 rai (1,600 m²) for residential use, with BOI/Ministry of Interior approval (routinely granted).
  → Source: Land Code Amendment Act B.E. 2542, Section 96 bis
  "Aliens with permanent residence may acquire land for residence..."

. "You can't vote"FALSE.

• PR holders CAN vote in local elections — provincial, municipal, tambon (sub-district).
• Only national elections are restricted.
  → Source: Local Government Act B.E. 2550, Section 11
  "Permanent residents have the right to vote in local elections."

12 hours ago, JimCM said:

I've no idea where you get this misinformation from.

There is no limit for Thai citizenship per year. Income is only 40k if married to a local, and no Thai language requirements. PR is 80k, less than £2000.

You're spouting misinformation so mangled it's comical—conflating PR (Permanent Residency) with Thai citizenship (naturalization) like they're the same thing. They're not. PR is a residency permit; citizenship is full-blown Thai nationality. Your reply cherry-picks, confuses, and fabricates. Let's eviscerate it with actual Thai law (updated for 2025—no changes from 2024 per Immigration Bureau

 

 "There is no limit for Thai citizenship per year"FALSE—Citizenship Isn't Quota-Limited Like PR, But It's Still Rationed by Points and Bureaucracy.

• PR (what I referenced): Strict quota of 100 per nationality/year (plus 50 for stateless). Applications open Oct–Dec (delayed to Mar–May 2025 for 2024 quota). Exceed it? Tough luck—wait a year.
• Citizenship (naturalization): No hard numerical quota like PR, but point-based system (min. 50/100 points) caps approvals via Ministry of Interior discretion—only ~25% pass, with ~48 applications yielding 10 approvals in 2003 (latest granular stat; process is secretive and slow). It's "unlimited" in theory, but practically rarer than hen's teeth—requires 5 years PR first, plus oath, anthem-singing, and renunciation of prior citizenship (except for women married to Thai men).
  You ignored PR entirely—classic dodge.

"Income is only 40k if married to a local"FALSE—That's a Distorted Half-Truth for Citizenship, and Wrong for PR.

• PR Income: 80,000 THB/month minimum (for last 2 years, or 100,000 THB annual tax payments) for single applicants. No "40k married" reduction—must prove stable finances regardless of marital status. Some older sources mention 30k–50k for family ties, but 2025 standard is 80k single/lower if married with proof (e.g., sponsor affidavit)—not automatic.
• Citizenship Income: Points-based—up to 25 points for high earners (e.g., 100k+ THB/month). Base: 80,000 THB/month for employment track (or 30,000–50,000 THB if married to Thai, with 3 years residence). Your "40k" is a lowball for marriage cases only—not universal.
  You mashed PR and citizenship into mush—80k is the benchmark.

"No Thai language requirements"FALSE—Language Test Is MANDATORY for Both.

• PR: Thai language proficiency required—must "understand and speak Thai" via interview/test by Immigration Committee.
• Citizenship: Explicit Thai proficiency (up to 15 points in system)—must read/speak/write Thai, complete primary education in Thai, or pass exam. Plus, sing national anthem and swear oath. Women married to Thai men? Often waived, but not "no requirement."
  Flat-out wrong—language is a core barrier.

. "PR is 80k, less than £2000"Irrelevant Word Salad—That's Income, Not Cost, and Your Math's Off.

• PR Income: Yes, 80k THB/month (£1,800–2,000 depending on exchange; spot-on there). But that's proof of earnings, not a fee.
• Actual PR Cost: Application fee 7,600 THB (~£170); total with docs/lawyers: 50k–200k THB. Citizenship? 5,000–10,000 THB app fee.
  You pivoted to irrelevance—nice try, but no cigar.

Final Nail:

Where'd You Get This Crap?Probably Reddit rumors or outdated forums—Thai law's crystal via Immigration Act B.E. 2522, Nationality Act B.E. 2535, and 2025 Bureau updates. PR: 100/nationality quota, 80k income, language test, 3+ years work. Citizenship: Builds on PR, points for 80k+ income/language.

 

 

 

20 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Is it obvious? Has he never assimilated? You clearly have access to his full family and life history. Please share.

 

He's a British citizen. Where are you going to "kick him out" to?

Murder is pre-meditated. Bring back the death penalty

1 minute ago, Photoguy21 said:

Murder is pre-meditated. Bring back the death penalty

No answers to my questions?

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No answers to my questions?

Yes the only just penalty for murder is the death penalty. If you want I will write in large letters so you can understand it.

Just now, Photoguy21 said:

Yes the only just penalty for murder is the death penalty. If you want I will write in large letters so you can understand it.

I didn't ask any questions about murder or death penalties.

 

Would you like me to write the questions again in big letters for you?

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

I didn't ask any questions about murder or death penalties.

 

Would you like me to write the questions again in big letters for you?

No you asked about the woman murdered at a bus stop. The only solution is get rid of all the illegals and anyone who is in the country and murders another person, execute them. Simple enough?

2 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

No you asked about the woman murdered at a bus stop. The only solution is get rid of all the illegals and anyone who is in the country and murders another person, execute them. Simple enough?

I've not aadke any questions about the victims. Here's what I asked, just to jog your selection e memory.

 

 

6 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Oh DEAR me, you really need to do some research.........you really are embarrassing yourself!

 

 

. "You need to renew visa every 5 years"FALSE.

• PR holders do NOT have a visa — they have a Permanent Resident Certificate (ใบถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร).
• No renewal ever — it is permanent for life (unless revoked for crime).
  → Source: Immigration Act B.E. 2522, Section 42
  "The alien shall be granted permission to reside in the Kingdom permanently."

. "You need a WP (work permit)"FALSE.

• PR holders are EXEMPT from work permits — they can work any job, any company, no restrictions.
  → Source: Alien Working Act B.E. 2551, Section 7(2)
  "This Act shall not apply to aliens who have been granted permanent residence."

"You can't buy land"FALSE.

• PR holders CAN buy land — up to 1 rai (1,600 m²) for residential use, with BOI/Ministry of Interior approval (routinely granted).
  → Source: Land Code Amendment Act B.E. 2542, Section 96 bis
  "Aliens with permanent residence may acquire land for residence..."

. "You can't vote"FALSE.

• PR holders CAN vote in local elections — provincial, municipal, tambon (sub-district).
• Only national elections are restricted.
  → Source: Local Government Act B.E. 2550, Section 11
  "Permanent residents have the right to vote in local elections."

Nonsense.

14 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

You are speaking about two different things. Citizenship and PR.

 

The cost and the salary requirements are different. PR is not 80k. Also there are language requirements. PR requires an "understanding" of Thai. 

 

For citizenship you need to be able to sing the national anthem, read, write and speak Thai. There is a limit by nationality also.

 

https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand-visa/permanent-residence-thailand

 

 

You need to update your knowledge.

 

You, or was it Mikeymike, said they're was a quota per country per year for citizenship , wrong.

I know I'm speaking of two different things. 

PR you need to earn over 80k, might be 100 k now.

I know there is a language requirements for PR, never said they're wasn't.

 

For citizenship you don't need to sing the anthems, if you're married to a Thai

 

https://thaicitizenship.com/

 

 

 

6 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

PR is 80k, less than £2000"Irrelevant Word Salad—That's Income, Not Cost, and Your Math's Off.

• PR Income: Yes, 80k THB/month (£1,800–2,000 depending on exchange; spot-on there). But that's proof of earnings, not a fee.
• Actual PR Cost: Application fee 7,600 THB (~£170); total with docs/lawyers: 50k–200k THB. Citizenship? 5,000–10,000 THB app fee.
  You pivoted to irrelevance—nice try, but no cigar.

No time to reply to so your errors but PR cost was raised by Taksins administration re 2003.

It was I think 9,000 if single and 19,000 if married to local. It was changed to about 90,000 and 190,000 baht.

Citizenship 5,500 baht, 5,000 to charity and 80,000 to show in bank.

19 minutes ago, JimCM said:

You need to update your knowledge.

 

You, or was it Mikeymike, said they're was a quota per country per year for citizenship , wrong.

I know I'm speaking of two different things. 

PR you need to earn over 80k, might be 100 k now.

I know there is a language requirements for PR, never said they're wasn't.

 

For citizenship you don't need to sing the anthems, if you're married to a Thai

 

https://thaicitizenship.com/

 

 

 

You didn't read my link about PR, did you? You also clearly didn't read @mikeymike100 posts.

 

You are still wrong.

4 hours ago, JimCM said:

Nonsense.

No Fact.

Every point stands firm, grounded in the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (Section 42) and related statutes. No visa renewals, no work permit mandates, land ownership allowances, and local voting rights are all explicitly enshrined.

On 11/13/2025 at 12:02 AM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Seriously ? you're going with that as 'informative evidence' ???     

 

... lost cause.

17 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

You're spouting misinformation so mangled it's comical—conflating PR (Permanent Residency) with Thai citizenship (naturalization) like they're the same thing. They're not. PR is a residency permit; citizenship is full-blown Thai nationality. Your reply cherry-picks, confuses, and fabricates. Let's eviscerate it with actual Thai law (updated for 2025—no changes from 2024 per Immigration Bureau

I conflated nothing, reread my post, you have a problem admitting errors.

17 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

There is no limit for Thai citizenship per year"FALSE—Citizenship Isn't Quota-Limited Like PR, But It's Still Rationed by Points and Bureaucracy.

• PR (what I referenced): Strict quota of 100 per nationality/year (plus 50 for stateless). Applications open Oct–Dec (delayed to Mar–May 2025 for 2024 quota). Exceed it? Tough luck—wait a year.
• Citizenship (naturalization): No hard numerical quota like PR, but point-based system (min. 50/100 points) caps approvals via Ministry of Interior discretion—only ~25% pass, with ~48 applications yielding 10 approvals in 2003 (latest granular stat; process is secretive and slow). It's "unlimited" in theory, but practically rarer than hen's teeth—requires 5 years PR first, plus oath, anthem-singing, and renunciation of prior citizenship (except for women married to Thai men).
  You ignored PR entirely—classic dodge.

There is no limit for Thai citizenship, stip making things up and trying to squirm out of giving misinformation.

Thai citizenship does not have a statutory quota.
The Ministry of Interior has discretion, yes, but that is not the same as a legally defined numerical limit.

Citing approval rates from 22 years ago, 2003 (10 out of 48) doesn’t demonstrate a quota - only that the process is selective and slow. And that changed a lot with amend to the law in 2008.
The fact that approvals are low in practice does not turn the system into a quota-limited one.

Claiming that citizenship is “rationed” is rhetorical, not legal, and conflates bureaucracy with hard limits.

 

17 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Income is only 40k if married to a local"FALSE—That's a Distorted Half-Truth for Citizenship, and Wrong for PR.

TRUE. Stop lying FFS.

A foreigner who is married to a Thai must earn 40k + a month.

I was not talking about PR, and well you know it.

 

I suggest you educate yourself in the citizenship process as you are way off the mark.

https://thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-application-process/

 

On 11/13/2025 at 8:42 PM, youreavinalaff said:

Not quite "national dish". There was a survey of favourite takeaway. I believe Chicken Tikka Masala, a dish first created in UK, was top of the list.

Created in India

17 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

No Thai language requirements"FALSE—Language Test Is MANDATORY for Both.

• PR: Thai language proficiency required—must "understand and speak Thai" via interview/test by Immigration Committee.
• Citizenship: Explicit Thai proficiency (up to 15 points in system)—must read/speak/write Thai, complete primary education in Thai, or pass exam. Plus, sing national anthem and swear oath. Women married to Thai men? Often waived, but not "no requirement."
  Flat-out wrong—language is a core barrier.

I don't really know why I'm educating you after your attempt to deride me. But, again you need to educate yourself.

Reread what I wrote, it really isn't hard to understand.

 

 

On 11/13/2025 at 7:08 PM, JimCM said:

There is no limit for Thai citizenship per year. Income is only 40k if married to a local, and no Thai language requirements.

17 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

I've a friend who is naturalized and he can't speak any conversational Thai nor read/ write. You are living pre 2008. That P7 Thai exam was scrapped decades ago.  Yes, you can get 15 points if you speak good Thai, get 10 points for a multiple choice test that has very simple questions like when is father's day. But you can get 0 and still reach the required 50 points.

Just now, still kicking said:

Created in India

No, Chef Ali Ahmed Aslam of the Shish Mahal restaurant in Glasgow claimed he created it in the 1970s after a customer said their chicken tikka was too dry — so he improvised by adding a creamy tomato-yogurt sauce.