On 11/11/2025 at 2:35 PM, JimCM said:

So according to you knife crimes is a black problem, please show this fact.

The biggest knife problem I know of was in Glasgow in the early 90s, with 4 people stabbed daily, and definitely not a black problem. You're turning a non racial problem into a hate filled racial thing with MULTIPLE posts on such threads.

 

 

I was that kid being raised in a very rough council estate in Glasgow in the 80's and early 90's and I can assure you there was PLENTY of knife crime going on (with Stanley blades being the weapon of choice) and not a single black or brown face in sight. 

It is VERY well documented that social and economic factors play a much larger role in crime than any skin colour does and it only SEEMS to be more black knife crime because they are disproportionately represented in lower social-economic conditions, with the proven mantra of the poorer you are, the more likely you are to fall in with a bad crowd (I was personally lucky to have strong parental guidance and a few great teachers to lead me down a different path).

 

But even with such an obvious reason you get the willfully ignorant like JonnyF who just can't wait to point the finger when the perpetrator is brown or black and loudly proclaim that 'Despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims.....' Yeah probably true but I guarantee you that white Glaswegians make up 100% of Glasgow's knife murder victims - so it's nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with environment.

 

And it IS racism to say it's a 'black problem' when it's obviously a poverty problem but many on here engage in willful ignorance to back up a pre-determined bias that over-simplifies a very complicated matter, which in turn fuels their bias towards minorities.  

On 11/11/2025 at 3:07 PM, youreavinalaff said:

By the way, no, I'm not a lefty. I'm just someone who is aware that this wasn't the only serious crime on the day. There were murders, assaults, rapes, thefts, etc committed. Some by white British, others not. It could be asked, why weren't the other crimes reported on front pages?

Oh you mean like this:-

 

Eight child sex offenders jailed for 100 years - Between 12 September and 17 October 2025, officers ensured justice was served to eight separate sexual predators who had been operating in areas such as Gravesend, Gillingham, Swanley, and Margate.

 

Funnily enough we didn't hear a great deal from many of the posters here about this even though it only happened last week. Now I wonder why that could be?

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

What people like Jonny fail to realise is that the children of immigrants go to British schools and are growing up with their British counterparts, developing local accents and lingo.

 

Like the Welsh choirboy?

 

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

a native British only island would be a terribly dull place.

Dreadful food and dull church services on Sundays.

 

You clearly know very little about British culture. Either that, or (more likely) you're a self loathing white Liberal Brit. The idea that we need people from the likes of Somalia, Iraq or Syria to make Britain "interesting" is quite frankly ludicrous.

 

Take a look at Britain in the 60's when immigration was at sensible levels. The Beatles/Rolling Stones, England winning the world cup, Swinging London, Concorde, incredible TV/Cinema/Music, fashion, theatre, great British cars like the Jaguar E type/Mini Cooper/Aston Martin, relatively low crime. 

 

Yeah, it's just so much better now that we've been "culturally enriched" 😀. A quick walk through Tower Hamlets would prove that. 

On 11/11/2025 at 11:48 AM, JonnyF said:

I am an expat not an immigrant. Learn the difference. 

Expats = privileged and largely white

Immigrant = poor and largely non-white

3 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Expats = privileged and largely white

Immigrant = poor and largely non-white

 

White privilege 😀😀😀. Is that you, Dr Shola?

 

Actually it is dictated by whether you intend to stay permanently and gain residency/citizenship.

 

My visa states "Non-immigrant" very clearly. If in doubt, check yours. 😀 

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Like the Welsh choirboy?

 

 

You clearly know very little about British culture. Either that, or (more likely) you're a self loathing white Liberal Brit. The idea that we need people from the likes of Somalia, Iraq or Syria to make Britain "interesting" is quite frankly ludicrous.

 

Take a look at Britain in the 60's when immigration was at sensible levels. The Beatles/Rolling Stones, England winning the world cup, Swinging London, Concorde, incredible TV/Cinema/Music, fashion, theatre, great British cars like the Jaguar E type/Mini Cooper/Aston Martin, relatively low crime. 

 

Yeah, it's just so much better now that we've been "culturally enriched" 😀. A quick walk through Tower Hamlets would prove that. 

I was talking about immigration generally, not only about the war torn countries you mention.

Reggae, black football players, African  and Indian music,  international cuisine, Thai food, Chinese food, Indian curries, all have enriched the UK palate and tastes. 

Or do you want to go back to shepherd's pie and gravy only?

Yes, the music ws fantastic in the 60s, I remember singing She Loves You from the branches of an oak tree at school, ( no health and safety in those days!), but don't forget the origins of that music-

Black people- Chuck Berry, Little Richard, the Blues. 

 

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

White privilege 😀😀😀. Is that you, Dr Shola?

 

Actually it is dictated by whether you intend to stay permanently and gain residency/citizenship.

 

My visa states "Non-immigrant" very clearly. If in doubt, check yours. 😀 

You are also an alien according to Thai authorities, which probably classes you as lower than a migrant, namely a sub-species of human.

47 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Take a look at Britain in the 60's when immigration was at sensible levels. The Beatles/Rolling Stones, England winning the world cup, Swinging London, Concorde, incredible TV/Cinema/Music, fashion, theatre, great British cars like the Jaguar E type/Mini Cooper/Aston Martin, relatively low crime. 

Good old Harold Wilson, don't make 'em like they used to.

14 minutes ago, bannork said:

Reggae, black football players, African  and Indian music,  international cuisine, Thai food, Chinese food, Indian curries, all have enriched the UK palate and tastes. 

 

All of which could have been enjoyed with sensible levels of controlled immigration. 

 

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

Or do you want to go back to shepherd's pie and gravy only?

 

That's a bit like saying Chinese only eat Pork fried rice. Not only ignorant, but could also be considered racist. But I guess it's OK when you're slagging off the Brits, leftist double standards/self loathing and all that. 

18 minutes ago, bannork said:

You are also an alien according to Thai authorities, which probably classes you as lower than a migrant, namely a sub-species of human.

 

Speak for yourself. I'm treated very well here. 

 

Of course, I likely have a better class of visa and am more charming/handsome. 

5 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Good old Harold Wilson, don't make 'em like they used to.

 

Yes even Labour party politicians were better back then.

 

He was certainly better than 2 Tier Keir or the war criminal Blair. 

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

I was that kid being raised in a very rough council estate in Glasgow in the 80's and early 90's and I can assure you there was PLENTY of knife crime going on (with Stanley blades being the weapon of choice) and not a single black or brown face in sight. 

It is VERY well documented that social and economic factors play a much larger role in crime than any skin colour does and it only SEEMS to be more black knife crime because they are disproportionately represented in lower social-economic conditions, with the proven mantra of the poorer you are, the more likely you are to fall in with a bad crowd (I was personally lucky to have strong parental guidance and a few great teachers to lead me down a different path).

 

But even with such an obvious reason you get the willfully ignorant like JonnyF who just can't wait to point the finger when the perpetrator is brown or black and loudly proclaim that 'Despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims.....' Yeah probably true but I guarantee you that white Glaswegians make up 100% of Glasgow's knife murder victims - so it's nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with environment.

 

And it IS racism to say it's a 'black problem' when it's obviously a poverty problem but many on here engage in willful ignorance to back up a pre-determined bias that over-simplifies a very complicated matter, which in turn fuels their bias towards minorities.  

Thanks, my point exactly. It's sad seeing immigrants here being so racist to immigrants in London.

I suspect Johnny F has been brainwashed by Tommy Robinson.

 

6 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Thanks, my point exactly. It's sad seeing immigrants here being so racist to immigrants in London.

I suspect Johnny F has been brainwashed by Tommy Robinson.

 

Oh he's definitely a fan.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

White privilege 😀😀😀. Is that you, Dr Shola?

 

Actually it is dictated by whether you intend to stay permanently and gain residency/citizenship.

 

My visa states "Non-immigrant" very clearly. If in doubt, check yours. 😀 

Oh, right - silly me. You’ve only lived here for years, bought property, and settled down, so of course you’re not an immigrant. The magic words “Non-Immigrant” on your visa clearly make you a visiting angel just passing through indefinitely.

The immigration office may call your visa “non-immigrant,” but in plain English, you’re still an immigrant - someone who’s settled in another country. 

 

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oh you mean like this:-

 

Eight child sex offenders jailed for 100 years - Between 12 September and 17 October 2025, officers ensured justice was served to eight separate sexual predators who had been operating in areas such as Gravesend, Gillingham, Swanley, and Margate.

 

Funnily enough we didn't hear a great deal from many of the posters here about this even though it only happened last week. Now I wonder why that could be?

According to Oor Johnny, they must have converted to Islam.

Same as these Scottish scumbags.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/scottish-paedophile-ring-guilty-child-abuse

18 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It was because he is black that he stabbed someone, you mean ????? 

 

By that reasoning, you must soil yourself every time you walk past someone with darker skin - after all, according to your understanding of gene tics, people of colour are apparently evolved specifically to stab people.....  

 

 

1 hour ago, JimCM said:

According to Oor Johnny, they must have converted to Islam.

Same as these Scottish scumbags.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/scottish-paedophile-ring-guilty-child-abuse

You need to define your “Johnny’s” 😂I’m one as well. 

9 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

" countless ways diversity sustains and strengthens the very fabric of the nation."

Love the sarcasm....GOOD ONE!!.........

 

In case it's not sarcasm and you are for real, why don't you list the "countless ways diversity sustains and strengthens the very fabric of the nation."...??  We are talking about the UK!

 

 

Cuisine: From Indian curries and Pakistani biryanis to Chinese takeaways, Lebanese wraps, Nigerian jollof rice, and Polish pierogi – or you prefer egg and chips ?

 

Healthcare: Roughly 40% of NHS doctors and many nurses hail from India, Nigeria, the Philippines, and Eastern Europe - or you'd rather die waiting ?

 

Sports: Mo Farah (Somali-born), Bukayo Saka (Nigerian heritage), Emma Raducanu (Romanian-Chinese), and Raheem Sterling (Jamaican-born) embody the spirit of multicultural Britain - or you want a white only national football team ?

 

Science & Research: Immigrant scientists like Professor Sir Shankar Balasubramanian (Indian-origin DNA researcher) and Ugandan-Asian chemists expelled by Idi Amin who rebuilt lives in Britain have driven major discoveries - or you'd rather such advancements are made by other nations instead of contributing to the wealth of advancement our small nation makes ?

 

Economy & Global Trade & Entrepreneurship: James Caan (Pakistani-British entrepreneur) and Karan Bilimoria (Cobra Beer founder) illustrate how immigrant innovation fuels growth and jobs - The UK is the 5th-largest economy in the world, powered by its multicultural workforce and international business networks. From London’s financial district to tech hubs in Manchester and Edinburgh, global connections and migrant entrepreneurship drive exports, investment, and innovation across every sector - you'd rather we were a poorer nation ?

 

Culture & Arts: From Zadie Smith’s novels and Riz Ahmed’s films to Stormzy’s music and Michaela Coel’s storytelling, diversity drives British creativity.

 

Education: International students and academics contribute billions to the economy and global insight to the classroom, strengthening world-class universities like Cambridge, Oxford, and Imperial.

 

Public Service & Community Leadership: Police officers, teachers, and local leaders from Caribbean, South Asian, and Eastern European backgrounds ensure public services reflect and serve all communities.

Fashion & Design: Designers like Ozwald Boateng (Ghanaian-British) and Priya Ahluwalia (Indian-Nigerian) have reshaped British fashion with multicultural flair.

 

Technology & Engineering: Skilled migrants power innovation at firms such as DeepMind, ARM, and Rolls-Royce, advancing AI, chip design, and aerospace technology.

 

Media & Entertainment: From Nadiya Hussain (Bake Off) and Lenny Henry to Dev Patel, Daniel Kaluuya, Jameela Jamil, and Sir Steve McQueen, British film, television, and comedy thrive on global talent. Shows like Bridgerton, Top Boy, and Sex Education reflect multicultural Britain and export that identity to the world.

 

 

None of this diversity diminishes the value or opportunity of White British talent – it enhances it. The UK’s strength has always come from its ability to blend the local with the global, tradition with innovation. Diversity doesn’t threaten British identity; it amplifies it – adding new dimensions to the nation’s creativity, resilience, and economic might. Together, these influences don’t compete – they complement each other, creating a Britain that’s richer, smarter, and more dynamic than the sum of its parts.

 

But of course, no one’s forcing you to take the life-saving medicine developed by a Black scientist, or cheer for a national team that wins with its Black players, or send your children to a school where a Black teacher inspires them to succeed. You could avoid it all – if you also avoid the hospitals they keep running, the victories they help deliver, and the society they strengthen every day. The truth is simple: Britain doesn’t thrive in spite of diversity, but because of it. Every hand that heals, every mind that innovates, every voice that inspires – whatever its colour – is part of the same shared strength - and racist bigotry weakens that when you fail to look into underlying causes of what you 'think you see'... 

6 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

 

 

 

Seriously ? you're going with that as 'informative evidence' ???     

 

... lost cause.

7 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

7 hours ago, JimCM said:

Thanks, my point exactly. It's sad seeing immigrants here being so racist to immigrants in London.

I suspect Johnny F has been brainwashed by Tommy Robinson.

 

Oh he's definitely a fan.

 

This is going to flip things somewhat...

 

While his public image has been made reprehensible by a government-influenced media machine, Tommy Robinson is not the cartoon villain he’s been made out to be.

 

You don’t have to agree with everything he says to recognise that much of what he highlights about double standards, censorship, and social division rings true.

 

The problem is that the narrative around him has created a binary dichotomy – you’re either a racist, or you hate Tommy Robinson. There’s no room for nuance, for debate, or for acknowledging uncomfortable realities.

 

And what we’re seeing here – in this very thread, in the public conversation – is too often outrage against a race, not an effort to understand the underlying causality of these issues.

 

Tommy raises valid points not on race, but on circumstance – about social neglect, cultural friction, and communities that feel abandoned. Ignoring that doesn’t make it go away; it just guarantees it will grow louder.

 

 

 

15 hours ago, JimCM said:

Oh, right - silly me. You’ve only lived here for years, bought property, and settled down, so of course you’re not an immigrant. The magic words “Non-Immigrant” on your visa clearly make you a visiting angel just passing through indefinitely.

The immigration office may call your visa “non-immigrant,” but in plain English, you’re still an immigrant - someone who’s settled in another country. 

 

 

I see. You are right and Thai immigration is wrong. Classic superior imperialist attitude. 😄

 

I will repeat again since you are a slow learner. You need to settle permanently in a country to be an immigrant. I on the other hand have a temporary visa with an expiry date stamped on it, that is very clearly stamped NON-IMMIGRANT. 

 

Perhaps English is not your first language? If so, please read below. It's quite simple.

 

 

Hope that helps James. 😀

 

On 11/10/2025 at 7:56 PM, JimCM said:

You are a racist.

The UK has grown more diverse, and this has brought enormous benefit in terms of culture, economy, innovation and social vitality.

When you blame “immigrants” or “Muslims” as a group for crime, you betray the principle that individuals are responsible for their actions - not whole ethnicities or religions.

Encouraging integration, opportunity, fairness and justice is what makes a society safe, not scapegoating.

As an immigrant yourself, your hypocrisy is outstanding.

Crime is overwhelmingly committed by British-born citizens.

Poverty, inequality, exclusion matter far more in many cases than immigration status. People who feel excluded or disadvantaged may turn to crime; addressing that is far more productive than blame.

The downvotes have it. Not even this leftist forum likes your posts

15 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oh he's definitely a fan.

 

Actually I have mixed feelings towards him. Good work exposing the rape gangs, but not so good on the PR side. 

 

But either way it's better than being a fan of Huw Edwards like you are. 

23 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I see. You are right and Thai immigration is wrong. Classic superior imperialist attitude. 😄

 

I will repeat again since you are a slow learner. You need to settle permanently in a country to be an immigrant. I on the other hand have a temporary visa with an expiry date stamped on it, that is very clearly stamped NON-IMMIGRANT. 

 

Perhaps English is not your first language? If so, please read below. It's quite simple.

 

 

Hope that helps James. 😀

 

You’ve renewed that Non-Immigrant visa more times than most people renew their passports, mate.

It’s amusing how some people think the words “Non-Immigrant” on their visa magically erase the fact they’ve lived here for years, bought property, and built an entire life in Thailand. The term is bureaucratic, not biographical - it describes paperwork, not reality. A Non-Immigrant visa is, in truth, a long-term residence permit with commitment issues. Call it what you like, but if you’ve been renewing it for half a decade (or half a lifetime), you’ve immigrated. The only thing “non” about it is the honesty.

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

You’ve renewed that Non-Immigrant visa more times than most people renew their passports, mate.

It’s amusing how some people think the words “Non-Immigrant” on their visa magically erase the fact they’ve lived here for years, bought property, and built an entire life in Thailand. The term is bureaucratic, not biographical - it describes paperwork, not reality. A Non-Immigrant visa is, in truth, a long-term residence permit with commitment issues. Call it what you like, but if you’ve been renewing it for half a decade (or half a lifetime), you’ve immigrated. The only thing “non” about it is the honesty.

 

I call it non immigrant.

 

The Thai immigration department call it non immigrant.

 

The passport states non immigrant. 

 

It has a clear expiry date. 

 

It's non immigrant.   😀

 

You're welcome to "your" truth though, just as you're welcome to believe that women can have a penis and men can give birth. Just don't expect me to buy into the fantasy. 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

I call it non immigrant.

 

The Thai immigration department call it non immigrant.

 

The passport states non immigrant. 

 

It has a clear expiry date. 

 

It's non immigrant.   😀

 

You're welcome to "your" truth though, just as you're welcome to believe that women can have a penis and men can give birth. Just don't expect me to buy into the fantasy. 

An immigrant is anyone who moves to another country to live long-term or permanently. That’s it. Visa type, income, or nationality doesn’t change that fact.

Yet in Thailand, some Western “expats” insist they aren’t immigrants. They own property, run businesses, and have lived here for decades - but somehow, only workers from Laos, Myanmar, or Cambodia are considered migrants. The distinction isn’t legal or linguistic; it’s social and often racial.

Many like you self-styled “expats” quietly or openly look down on their neighbours, applying a hierarchy based on skin colour, class, and perceived education. They embrace the term expat to feel superior, while denying the same status to people doing essential labour for lower wages. In reality, both groups moved countries for a better life — the only difference is privilege and, sadly, prejudice.

Ironically, you criticize Black immigrants, blaming them for crime and social problems, all while ignoring the fact that your own privileged status as an “expat” is just another form of immigration - one youve wrapped in entitlement and self-righteousness. The hypocrisy is staggering: moving abroad for a better life is noble when you do it, and criminal when others do.

3 minutes ago, JimCM said:

An immigrant is anyone who moves to another country to live long-term or permanently. That’s it. Visa type, income, or nationality doesn’t change that fact.

Yet in Thailand, some Western “expats” insist they aren’t immigrants. They own property, run businesses, and have lived here for decades - but somehow, only workers from Laos, Myanmar, or Cambodia are considered migrants. The distinction isn’t legal or linguistic; it’s social and often racial.

Many like you self-styled “expats” quietly or openly look down on their neighbours, applying a hierarchy based on skin colour, class, and perceived education. They embrace the term expat to feel superior, while denying the same status to people doing essential labour for lower wages. In reality, both groups moved countries for a better life — the only difference is privilege and, sadly, prejudice.

Ironically, you criticize Black immigrants, blaming them for crime and social problems, all while ignoring the fact that your own privileged status as an “expat” is just another form of immigration - one youve wrapped in entitlement and self-righteousness. The hypocrisy is staggering: moving abroad for a better life is noble when you do it, and criminal when others do.

 

I do not intend to stay forever. I do not intend to apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

 

I was invited here to work by a Thai Limited company on a temporary basis. My passport states non immigrant. My visa and work permit has an expiry date.

 

The definition is very clear. Stop embarrassing yourself. 😄

 

 

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

Cuisine: From Indian curries and Pakistani biryanis to Chinese takeaways, Lebanese wraps, Nigerian jollof rice, and Polish pierogi – or you prefer egg and chips ?

 

Healthcare: Roughly 40% of NHS doctors and many nurses hail from India, Nigeria, the Philippines, and Eastern Europe - or you'd rather die waiting ?

 

Sports: Mo Farah (Somali-born), Bukayo Saka (Nigerian heritage), Emma Raducanu (Romanian-Chinese), and Raheem Sterling (Jamaican-born) embody the spirit of multicultural Britain - or you want a white only national football team ?

 

Science & Research: Immigrant scientists like Professor Sir Shankar Balasubramanian (Indian-origin DNA researcher) and Ugandan-Asian chemists expelled by Idi Amin who rebuilt lives in Britain have driven major discoveries - or you'd rather such advancements are made by other nations instead of contributing to the wealth of advancement our small nation makes ?

 

Economy & Global Trade & Entrepreneurship: James Caan (Pakistani-British entrepreneur) and Karan Bilimoria (Cobra Beer founder) illustrate how immigrant innovation fuels growth and jobs - The UK is the 5th-largest economy in the world, powered by its multicultural workforce and international business networks. From London’s financial district to tech hubs in Manchester and Edinburgh, global connections and migrant entrepreneurship drive exports, investment, and innovation across every sector - you'd rather we were a poorer nation ?

 

Culture & Arts: From Zadie Smith’s novels and Riz Ahmed’s films to Stormzy’s music and Michaela Coel’s storytelling, diversity drives British creativity.

 

Education: International students and academics contribute billions to the economy and global insight to the classroom, strengthening world-class universities like Cambridge, Oxford, and Imperial.

 

Public Service & Community Leadership: Police officers, teachers, and local leaders from Caribbean, South Asian, and Eastern European backgrounds ensure public services reflect and serve all communities.

Fashion & Design: Designers like Ozwald Boateng (Ghanaian-British) and Priya Ahluwalia (Indian-Nigerian) have reshaped British fashion with multicultural flair.

 

Technology & Engineering: Skilled migrants power innovation at firms such as DeepMind, ARM, and Rolls-Royce, advancing AI, chip design, and aerospace technology.

 

Media & Entertainment: From Nadiya Hussain (Bake Off) and Lenny Henry to Dev Patel, Daniel Kaluuya, Jameela Jamil, and Sir Steve McQueen, British film, television, and comedy thrive on global talent. Shows like Bridgerton, Top Boy, and Sex Education reflect multicultural Britain and export that identity to the world.

 

 

None of this diversity diminishes the value or opportunity of White British talent – it enhances it. The UK’s strength has always come from its ability to blend the local with the global, tradition with innovation. Diversity doesn’t threaten British identity; it amplifies it – adding new dimensions to the nation’s creativity, resilience, and economic might. Together, these influences don’t compete – they complement each other, creating a Britain that’s richer, smarter, and more dynamic than the sum of its parts.

 

But of course, no one’s forcing you to take the life-saving medicine developed by a Black scientist, or cheer for a national team that wins with its Black players, or send your children to a school where a Black teacher inspires them to succeed. You could avoid it all – if you also avoid the hospitals they keep running, the victories they help deliver, and the society they strengthen every day. The truth is simple: Britain doesn’t thrive in spite of diversity, but because of it. Every hand that heals, every mind that innovates, every voice that inspires – whatever its colour – is part of the same shared strength - and racist bigotry weakens that when you fail to look into underlying causes of what you 'think you see'... 

You listed few benefits of immigration and called it “diversity "let's  Let’s clarify:

You stated " countless ways diversity sustains and strengthens the very fabric of the nation.", COUNTLESS means a number so large it cannot be counted, so not off to a good start, as your list is only  'a few' !

I am not British, but this is about the UK, so let's go...

 

Cuisine
Curries & biryanis predate mass migration—British Indians cooked them in the 1800s. Today’s takeaway boom? Cheap labour, not irreplaceable genius. Egg & chips is British; jollof isn’t. No one’s banning curry—just noting it’s not “diversity sustaining the nation,” it’s market demand.

 

Healthcare
40% of NHS doctors are foreign-trained because the UK stopped training enough medics in the 90s. The UK import skills instead of growing them. Result: brain-drain from poorer nations, £1bn+ annual training subsidy abroad. Fix homegrown supply—problem solved. No need to guilt-trip patients. Most of the best British doctors, specialists have gone to Australia, NZ, Canada and the USA.

 

Sports
Farah, Saka, Raducanu—talented, yes. Selected on merit. No one wants “white-only” teams; the UK wants British teams. Citizenship via parents’ birthplace isn’t “diversity”—it’s globalisation of sport. England’s 1966 team had zero foreign-born players and still won. Talent isn’t skin color.

 

Science
Balasubramanian is brilliant. So was Tim Berners-Lee (English). Immigrants contribute—when selected for skill. Mass low-skill migration doesn’t produce DNA sequencers. High-skill visas? Yes. Open borders? No correlation with Nobel prizes.

 

Economy
UK’s 5th largest economy built on centuries of British innovation—steam engine, jet engine, WWW, penicillin. Recent growth? London finance + tech hubs. Many founders are British. Immigrants help—selected ones. Uncontrolled numbers depress wages (ONS data: lowest decile hit hardest). Cobra Beer employs Brits; doesn’t justify 1.5m net migration/year.

 

Culture
Zadie Smith writes in English, about Britain. Stormzy raps in a London accent. This isn’t “diversity”—it’s assimilation. True diversity would be preserving distinct cultures. Instead, the UK gets monoculture Britishness with foreign spices. Fine—but not the same as parallel societies.

 

Education
International students pay £30bn+ in fees. Great. But 1 in 5 are on fake courses (Home Office). Universities became visa mills. Close loopholes—keep the revenue, lose the fraud.

 

Public Service
Diverse police/teachers? Good if qualified. But when recruitment lowers standards to hit “diversity targets” (College of Policing data), public trust falls. Merit first—background second.

 

Fashion/Tech/Media
Boateng, DeepMind, Kaluuya—talented individuals. Not proof mass migration = progress. Japan innovates in robotics with <2% foreign-born. Singapore selects rigorously.  UK? 685k net migration in 2023. Quantity ≠ quality.

 

Core flaw in your argument:
You equate immigration with diversity and contribution with irreplaceability.
No one denies some talented immigrants add value.
The question is volume, selection, and integration.

1.5 million net migration in 2 years = housing crisis (500k homes short).

74% of London terror suspects since 2010 = foreign nationals or descendants (Henry Jackson Society).

Parallel communities, FGM, honor crimes—not British values.

Diversity of thought strengthens.
Diversity of values that reject British norms weakens.Britain thrives when it attracts the best—and expects them to become British, not demand Britain become something else.You say “no one’s forcing you” to benefit.
Actually, everyone is forced to live with the consequences: strained services, wage suppression, social fragmentation.
Fix training.
Control borders.
Demand integration. That’s how you sustain a nation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

57 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I call it non immigrant.

 

The Thai immigration department call it non immigrant.

 

The passport states non immigrant. 

 

It has a clear expiry date. 

 

It's non immigrant.   😀

 

You're welcome to "your" truth though, just as you're welcome to believe that women can have a penis and men can give birth. Just don't expect me to buy into the fantasy. 

Absolutely, its a real shame some folks can't read ENGLISH!!😅

1 minute ago, mikeymike100 said:

Absolutely, its a real shame some folks can't read ENGLISH!!😅

 

They think it's their "GOTCHA" moment.

 

Bless. 😀😄

 

The irony is that I am not even against immigration as long as it is legal, strictly controlled in terms of numbers/background checks and also skills based. I've made that clear many times but they ignore it since it does not suit their agenda that anyone against uncontrolled, mass illegal immigration is Adolf Hitler.  😀

 

My position on LEGAL immigration does not of course change the fact that by any definition, I myself am not an immigrant but an expat. 

 

The definition of expat literally describes my exact circumstances. 😀