Many of us more or less knew this to be true, but the recent facts have been unearthed in such a way that it can no longer be doubted that Putin sponsors terrorism, and he is right up there with Saudi Arabia and MBS, and Iran in terms of making mischief around the world, with complete and total intolerance for any level of dissent, opposition, nor negative publicity. 

 

The UK investigation states that the attack was an operation of the Russian state, carried out by members of the GRU, and that the attempt to kill Skripal "must have been authorised at the highest level ", specifically the President of Russia.

 

The investigation establishes a clear logical chain: Putin approved the GRU operation to eliminate the double agent in the UK; the operatives used a military nerve agent, left a contaminated bottle in a public space, and thereby created a foreseeable risk that an innocent person would be killed; that is precisely how Dawn Sturgess died.

From the perspective of international law, this effectively equates a covert operation with a state act of using chemical weapons on the territory of another state.

The political significance of the move far outweighs the financial restrictions themselves. London is publicly and formally stating what has long been assumed in security circles: the GRU is not a disobedient part of the state but an instrument of the Russian president's personal decisions.

 

https://tomorrowsaffairs.com/the-british-report-on-novichok-and-the-kremlins-state-responsibility

 

 

Look up CIA , you can learn a few things and round out your naive and biased perspective on how governments work.

 

 

They say it was all misunderstanding, they were the victims, just tourists. Then again, G. Ushakoff always said  lying to your face, has a deep warm spot in Russian culture. 

 

Seem such nice chaps ! 

So the allegation is a couple Russian fellows daubed some of the world's most deadliest nerve agent that kills in seconds on a doorknob, and then the old man and his young daughter touched the knob, went out for dinner, went out for drinks, went out for a walk, and only hours after contact with the nerve agent did it suddenly take effect on both of them at the same time?

 

And somehow those wily Russian agents, who turned out to actually be a couple of gay fellows on a romantic holiday away from a country where their lifestyle is frowned upon, managed to evade most of the CCTV cameras in a country that has more surveillance cameras per capita than China?  And for some reason, not a single residence in that well-to-do neighborhood had a Ring camera, there were no traffic cameras in the area, and the high-value MI6 asset had no CCTV on his residence?

 

I'm not buying it.

48 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

Look up CIA , you can learn a few things and round out your naive and biased perspective on how governments work.

 

 

What makes you think he and others don't know how the CIA works?

Spidermikey has a good day.

Another dump on Trump:

https://aseannow.com/topic/1380874-why-trump-and-maga-are-so-wrong-on-immigration/

And now Putin.

 

Just ignore the terrorism by werstern intelligence and mossad , no Putin is the bad one.

A public inquiry in London has concluded that the 2018 Salisbury nerve agent attack was a Russian state operation and could only have been carried out with the approval of the highest leadership in Moscow.

 

Why not blame a couple of Ukrainians in a rented Polish sailboat?

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

So the allegation is a couple Russian fellows daubed some of the world's most deadliest nerve agent that kills in seconds on a doorknob, and then the old man and his young daughter touched the knob, went out for dinner, went out for drinks, went out for a walk, and only hours after contact with the nerve agent did it suddenly take effect on both of them at the same time?

 

And somehow those wily Russian agents, who turned out to actually be a couple of gay fellows on a romantic holiday away from a country where their lifestyle is frowned upon, managed to evade most of the CCTV cameras in a country that has more surveillance cameras per capita than China?  And for some reason, not a single residence in that well-to-do neighborhood had a Ring camera, there were no traffic cameras in the area, and the high-value MI6 asset had no CCTV on his residence?

 

I'm not buying it.

Okay I was wrong, Russia treats dissidents, and political opposition members with a great deal of respect, kindness and cooperation. And Putin is actually a really sweet guy who is spending billions and billions of their oil money on aiding the poorest people in the world. 

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Spidermikey has a good day.

Another dump on Trump:

https://aseannow.com/topic/1380874-why-trump-and-maga-are-so-wrong-on-immigration/

And now Putin.

 

Just ignore the terrorism by werstern intelligence and mossad , no Putin is the bad one.

Okay so now I understand, Trump is really a really good guy, Putin is a benevolent kind of fella, and Biden and Obama are the most evil people in the world. 

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Okay I was wrong, Russia treats dissidents, and political opposition members with a great deal of respect, kindness and cooperation. And Putin is actually a really sweet guy who is spending billions and billions of their oil money on aiding the poorest people in the world. 

 

Is that what I said?  News to me. 

 

Apparently I'm left with only two options:

 

1)  Accept all western propaganda.

2)  Putin is the second coming of Jeesus.

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Okay so now I understand, Trump is really a really good guy, Putin is a benevolent kind of fella, and Biden and Obama are the most evil people in the world. 

Finally you're getting it.

But no , Biden and Obama are not the most evil people in the world, there are worse than then two.

4 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Is that what I said?  News to me. 

 

Apparently I'm left with only two options:

 

1)  Accept all western propaganda.

2)  Putin is the second coming of Jeesus.

 

Forget who's good and who's bad.

 

Which governance would you prefer to live under?

 

Typical Russian governance or typical US governance.

 

Think about what that has been like over the last 100 years and answer the question.

 

Can you do that?.......really consider and answer the question for yourself......no need to tell anyone else what your decision is.

 

I would say that the present Russian governance is not too different from typical Russian governance,  and that of Obama and Biden even less different to typical US governance.

 

When you have answered that question, taking only your own selfish desires into account, you will know who you should be sticking up for.

 

You will probably be dead by the time the world really has to make such a choice, but maybe do it now in order to avoid sounding like, at best, a confused, naive fool, at worst a contrarian hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

Phutler is scum. I feel so sorry for the Ukrainians. 

 

I think Trump is mainly interested in financial deals with P for the US economy and his family. He is ok if P wins the war bc it de-stabilises Europe and make the US more powerful. 

 

Its a shocker that 51% of American citizens voted in the convicted felon. When he dies the world will be a worse place. 

And Putin and trump are in bed together ,

 

the 2 guilty Russian agents have gone to ground ,somewhere 

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Many of us more or less knew this to be true, but the recent facts have been unearthed in such a way that it can no longer be doubted that Putin sponsors terrorism, and he is right up there with Saudi Arabia and MBS, and Iran in terms of making mischief around the world, with complete and total intolerance for any level of dissent, opposition, nor negative publicity. 

 

The UK investigation states that the attack was an operation of the Russian state, carried out by members of the GRU, and that the attempt to kill Skripal "must have been authorised at the highest level ", specifically the President of Russia.

 

The investigation establishes a clear logical chain: Putin approved the GRU operation to eliminate the double agent in the UK; the operatives used a military nerve agent, left a contaminated bottle in a public space, and thereby created a foreseeable risk that an innocent person would be killed; that is precisely how Dawn Sturgess died.

From the perspective of international law, this effectively equates a covert operation with a state act of using chemical weapons on the territory of another state.

The political significance of the move far outweighs the financial restrictions themselves. London is publicly and formally stating what has long been assumed in security circles: the GRU is not a disobedient part of the state but an instrument of the Russian president's personal decisions.

 

https://tomorrowsaffairs.com/the-british-report-on-novichok-and-the-kremlins-state-responsibility

 

 

The quintessential act of global terror was accomplished by the country that dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians and doesn't regret it to this day.

 

I see the usual suspects are out defending Mother Russia. They spend their waking lives looking for such stories. Ring Doorbells in 20198 Salisbury. Idiotic. They weren't even on sale in the UK until 2017, and hardly early adopters will not be on a street that is mostly housing association. Anyone who actually knows Salisbury knows that beyond the Cathedral, its quite a poor town. Wiltshire is one of the poorest counties in England. The writers saying this was a wealthy street have outed themselves and their backstory.

 

A woman died because of this, and 4 others have suffered life changing injuries because of this reckless WMD attack by a Terrorist Attack. Maybe they shoukd go live in Russia if they love them so much.

 

The <deleted> Russians are trying to say they are uphill gardener, in denying the allegations.

 

 

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Using the cover identity of “Ruslan Boshirov” is in fact Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga, a highly decorated GRU officer bestowed with Russia’s highest state award, Hero of the Russian Federation. 

 

Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga was born on 5 April 1979, in the far-eastern village of Nikolaevka in the Amur oblast, population 300, near the Russia-China border. At age 18, he enrolled at a military school just 40 kilometers from his home, the Far-Eastern Military Command Academy in Blagoveschensk, one of Russia’s elite training grounds for marine commandos and Spetsnaz officers.

 

Anatoliy Chepiga graduated the academy with honors in 2001. He was then assigned to serve in the 14th Spetsnaz Brigade in Russia’s farthest-eastern city of Khabarovsk, one of the elite Spetsnaz units under GRU command. Chepiga’s unit (74854, formerly 20662) played a key role in the second Chechen War, and was also observed near the Ukrainian border in late 2014.

 

Over the course of his assignment to the 14th Spetsnaz Brigade, Colonel Chepiga was deployed three times to Chechnya. The specific operations he was involved in are not known; however, a website of a far-eastern branch of a state-run military volunteer organization reports that he received over 20 military awards in the course of his service.

In December 2014, Colonel Chepiga was awarded Russia’s highest state award, Hero of the Russian Federation.This award is bestowed personally by the President of Russia “as recognition of services to the state and the people of Russia involving a heroic deed”.

Most of the awards are handed out in public ceremonies – and accompanied by a presidential decree, such as the award in 2016 to Russian officers fighting in Syria. Other presidential decrees – when the underlying act of heroism is subject to state secrecy – are kept secret. This is the case with the award to Colonel Chepiga. While there is no publicly issued decree – or reference to him on the Kremlin website – the state-run volunteer website specifies that he received the award “in December 2014…for conducting a peace-keeping mission.”

 

Indeed, the fact that Colonel Chepiga was bestowed the Hero of Russia award is announced on the website of his military school. While most other recipients of the award have a detailed description of the acts that resulted in the recognition, the last two recipients – Anatoliy Chepiga and Alexander Popov – received only a terse statement: “by decree from the Russian president.” This further implies that the mission he – or they – were awarded for was secret.

 

 

 

 

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Alexander Mishkin was born on 13.07.1979 in the village of Loyga, in the Archangelsk District in Northern European Russia.  He studied and graduated from one of Russia’s elite Military Medical Academies, and was trained as a military doctor for the Russian naval armed forces.

During his medical studies, Mishkin was recruited by the GRU, and by 2010 had relocated to Moscow, where he received his undercover identity – including a second national ID and travel passport – under the alias Alexander Petrov.

 

 

11 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

And Putin and trump are in bed together ,

 

the 2 guilty Russian agents have gone to ground ,somewhere 

 

Or 6 foot under.

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Spidermikey has a good day.

Another dump on Trump:

https://aseannow.com/topic/1380874-why-trump-and-maga-are-so-wrong-on-immigration/

And now Putin.

 

Just ignore the terrorism by werstern intelligence and mossad , no Putin is the bad one

 

Follows account. Check. Limited command of English. Check. Commie Sympathiser. Check. Troll. Check.

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Okay I was wrong, Russia treats dissidents, and political opposition members with a great deal of respect, kindness and cooperation. And Putin is actually a really sweet guy who is spending billions and billions of their oil money on aiding the poorest people in the world. 

 

He's likely a troll, spends all day looking for Anti-Russia stories to counter them.

48 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

Forget who's good and who's bad.

 

Which governance would you prefer to live under?

 

Typical Russian governance or typical US governance.

 

Think about what that has been like over the last 100 years and answer the question.

 

Can you do that?.......really consider and answer the question for yourself......no need to tell anyone else what your decision is.

 

I would say that the present Russian governance is not too different from typical Russian governance,  and that of Obama and Biden even less different to typical US governance.

 

When you have answered that question, taking only your own selfish desires into account, you will know who you should be sticking up for.

 

You will probably be dead by the time the world really has to make such a choice, but maybe do it now in order to avoid sounding like, at best, a confused, naive fool, at worst a contrarian hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if I prefer the US form of government then I must accept the lies and the propaganda that comes with it?

 

Must I also accept torture and assassinations and double-tapping shipwreck survivors and supporting genocide as "good things"?

 

 

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Biden and Obama are the most evil people in the world. 

You do have a soft spot for Dr Done. 

49 minutes ago, connda said:

The quintessential act of global terror was accomplished by the country that dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians and doesn't regret it to this day

The war ended.   You act like Japan was minding its own business, and a bomb was dropped on them.   Japan should have surrendered in July 1945 when US and British battleships bombarded a factory in the Japanese homeland.  At that point, they should have figured the war was over. 

6 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 Japan should have surrendered in July 1945 when US and British battleships bombarded a factory in the Japanese homeland.

 

Lordie, so 100s of 1000s of civilians had to be killed because Japan didn't  Setting aside the stupidity of this argument, by the same token the Brits should have handed over the double agents once they knew they were targeted for assassination by Russia. 

 

Still on a lighter note here's a hilarious video of how Ukrainians don't care to fight and die for the West. See particularly how the terrorist of a dog goes after the press gang:

 

 

2 hours ago, Autocan said:

Lordie, so 100s of 1000s of civilians had to be killed because Japan didn't  Setting aside the stupidity of this argument, by the same token the Brits should have handed over the double agents once they knew they were targeted for assassination by Russia.

Lordie, you do know that Japan was under a blockade and the people were starving.  Yet, the military should not surrender.  

 

 

Mike - you mean 'would' not surrender ?

Getting back to Putin, he is a totally malign ,evil and corrupt character leading Russia into disasters neither Russia nor the World need. Wittering on about Obama and Biden is just silly in this context. IMHO

17 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

So the allegation is a couple Russian fellows daubed some of the world's most deadliest nerve agent that kills in seconds on a doorknob, and then the old man and his young daughter touched the knob, went out for dinner, went out for drinks, went out for a walk, and only hours after contact with the nerve agent did it suddenly take effect on both of them at the same time?

 

And somehow those wily Russian agents, who turned out to actually be a couple of gay fellows on a romantic holiday away from a country where their lifestyle is frowned upon, managed to evade most of the CCTV cameras in a country that has more surveillance cameras per capita than China?  And for some reason, not a single residence in that well-to-do neighborhood had a Ring camera, there were no traffic cameras in the area, and the high-value MI6 asset had no CCTV on his residence?

 

I'm not buying it.

Lucky the "Russian agents" didnt make any politically inconvenient yet factually true social media posts while on their alleged killing spree. It would have seen them banged up before hitting the send button.

Isnt there some crazy statistic how many Brits are banged up for political social media posts vs Russians. Like a thousand to 1. Disgusting what Starmer and his merry band of leftists did to England.

Two facts.

 

Russia engages in terrorism and recruits useful idiots to defend its terrorism.

 

 

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Lucky the "Russian agents" didnt make any politically inconvenient yet factually true social media posts while on their alleged killing spree. It would have seen them banged up before hitting the send button.

Isnt there some crazy statistic how many Brits are banged up for political social media posts vs Russians. Like a thousand to 1. Disgusting what Starmer and his merry band of leftists did to England

 

Another Russian sychophant.

 

Its funny how people lap up Russian propaganda and don't understand timelines. The source of the claim this Commie Lover was parroting was based on an analysis by Agora, a Russian organisation, comparing 2017 data from Russia and 2017 data from the UK, and then distorts. But since this idiot likes being Pro-Russian, anti-British, he just lapped it up.

 

Agora said 411 criminal cases were brought against internet users in Russia in 2017. A number for the UK was based on a FOI requestion by The Times, showing there were 3,395 arrests for Section 127 Offences "Online Abuse", resultingn in 1696 charges being brought. Section 127 covers all forms of electronic communications, not jut social media, and so covers Email and SMS messaging.

 

Russian propagandists hope that dimwits don't understand the difference between a criminal case being made and an arrest, and so compare apples tom oranges, and the performing seals don't notice.

 

The UK numbers all offences online, including illicit sexual material, so this Russia apologist is apparently suggesting its a good thing that the Russians are softer on nonces than the British, or they think people should lay off "young love". Also, Russia are soft on terrorists, because the British statistics include terrorism offences.

 

All of the Russian arrests/gulag are people who criticise the government. The British numbers include those plotting terrorist outrage, sexual abusers, those who share dick photos etc.

 

Go live in Russia if you think its a Freedom of Speech paradise. You can go join that failed Tory Parliamentary Candidate who's got himself shacked up in Moscow to facilitate emigration of fresh cannon fodder.