Prevalent on TV news and newspapers is the topic of an imminent European war with Russia . Adding to the conjecture are 1/ the recent Russian submarine  in the English Channel ,

2/ Russian spy ship , in English waters north of Scotland , believed to be monitoring undersea communication cables and then aiming lasers at R.A.F. pilots who were tracking the vessel and 3/ why would Putin state that he doesn't want a war with Europe but is ready and capable if need be . I am thinking that much will depend on Zelenskys response to the Trump driven peace treaty . There are many opinions that Zelensky will not concede any land to Russia as written in the Treaty . If it came to a war between Europe and Russia do you think that Trump would support Europe / fellow NATO countries ?

Another 'what if' that will never happen.  

 

WW III would be less profitable than the MSM, entertainment news of predicting it.   So WW III will never happen.

 

I takes a special kind of stupid to think WW III would ever happen 

 

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I takes a special kind of stupid to think WW III would ever happen

 

It takes a special kind of naivety to think Trump is anything but Putin's puppet.

23 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

It takes a special kind of naivety to think Trump is anything but Putin's puppet.

And yet ...

 

 

Along with punishing other countries that trade with Russia ...

... is that the work of a puppet  

 

 

Russia already doing cyber attacks and other sabotages in Europe for years now. 

 

All over Europe mapping week infrastructure and energy targets and testing the systems weaknesses frequently. Drones, public transport, bank systems and everything that takes time and resources to fix. 

 

Not to forget the misinformation and propaganda some buys in to and we also have to fight in this forum on daily basis. 

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Russia already doing cyber attacks and other sabotages in Europe for years now. 

 

All over Europe mapping week infrastructure and energy targets and testing the systems weaknesses frequently. Drones, public transport, bank systems and everything that takes time and resources to fix. 

 

Not to forget the misinformation and propaganda some buys in to and we also have to fight in this forum on daily basis. 

What fight said nonone to nobody. You are not fighting here you are writing stuff on an obscure Thailand forum long past it's glory days. Western governemnts are doing the exact same - and who did sabotage the Nordstream pipleine ? Asking for a friend. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/nov/03/the-nord-stream-riddle-echoes-of-mistrust-ripple-through-europe#:~:text=Germany has issued arrest warrants,directly involved in the explosions.

 

Germany has issued arrest warrants for at least six people, including Ukrainian diver Volodymyr Zhuravlev, who was apprehended in Poland in late September. German prosecutors believe Zhuravlev was directly involved in the explosions. “He was part of a group of people who placed explosives on the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines near the island of Bornholm in September 2022,” Germany’s federal court of justice said. “The accused participated in the necessary dives.” Zhuravlev has denied involvement.

Russia cannot even beat Ukraine , so now they want to go to war with Europe,

the only way the could win is with nuclear weapons ,then everybody is Fxxxxx

 

regards worgeordie

 

European leaders, now abandoned by Trump, are growing increasingly desperate as the looming failure of their proxy war in Ukraine becomes harder to ignore. In response, they appear to be doubling down. “Don’t poke the bear” has always been wise counsel,  ever more so with nukes. 

15 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

What fight said nonone to nobody. You are not fighting here you are writing stuff on an obscure Thailand forum long past it's glory days. Western governemnts are doing the exact same - and who did sabotage the Nordstream pipleine ? Asking for a friend. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/nov/03/the-nord-stream-riddle-echoes-of-mistrust-ripple-through-europe#:~:text=Germany has issued arrest warrants,directly involved in the explosions.

 

Germany has issued arrest warrants for at least six people, including Ukrainian diver Volodymyr Zhuravlev, who was apprehended in Poland in late September. German prosecutors believe Zhuravlev was directly involved in the explosions. “He was part of a group of people who placed explosives on the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines near the island of Bornholm in September 2022,” Germany’s federal court of justice said. “The accused participated in the necessary dives.” Zhuravlev has denied involvement.

 

What do you talk about? 

 

Ukraine is at war with Russian who invaded them! 

 

Everything else is just BS people buys in to in to in a larger scale, and I have to give you the double morality where we punish Russia with one hand but still need their resources. 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

What do you talk about? 

 

Ukraine is at war with Russian who invaded them! 

 

Everything else is just BS people buys in to in to in a larger scale, and I have to give you the double morality where we punish Russia with one hand but still need their resources. 

 

I'm highlighting exactly the contradictions that show we shouldn't be deeply involved here. The Nordstream situation - whether Ukraine or Western actors - shows we're already participants in escalation, not neutral peacekeepers.

From a European perspective, Mearsheimer's analysis makes sense: this is fundamentally a regional security dispute in Russia's near abroad. We sanctioned Russia while staying dependent on their energy, armed Ukraine while avoiding direct confrontation - we're stuck in the worst middle ground.

 

If Germany, France, and others acknowledged their actual interests rather than following US policy reflexively, we'd be pushing for negotiated settlement rather than fueling the conflict. Let regional powers find their equilibrium without bankrupting Europe or risking wider war.

 

 

22 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

I'm highlighting exactly the contradictions that show we shouldn't be deeply involved here. The Nordstream situation - whether Ukraine or Western actors - shows we're already participants in escalation, not neutral peacekeepers.

From a European perspective, Mearsheimer's analysis makes sense: this is fundamentally a regional security dispute in Russia's near abroad. We sanctioned Russia while staying dependent on their energy, armed Ukraine while avoiding direct confrontation - we're stuck in the worst middle ground.

 

If Germany, France, and others acknowledged their actual interests rather than following US policy reflexively, we'd be pushing for negotiated settlement rather than fueling the conflict. Let regional powers find their equilibrium without bankrupting Europe or risking wider war.

 

 

Suuure! It's the European countries who don't want to negotiate, not Putin! 

21 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

I'm highlighting exactly the contradictions that show we shouldn't be deeply involved here. The Nordstream situation - whether Ukraine or Western actors - shows we're already participants in escalation, not neutral peacekeepers.

From a European perspective, Mearsheimer's analysis makes sense: this is fundamentally a regional security dispute in Russia's near abroad. We sanctioned Russia while staying dependent on their energy, armed Ukraine while avoiding direct confrontation - we're stuck in the worst middle ground.

 

If Germany, France, and others acknowledged their actual interests rather than following US policy reflexively, we'd be pushing for negotiated settlement rather than fueling the conflict. Let regional powers find their equilibrium without bankrupting Europe or risking wider war.

 

 

 

Unfortunate we are long past the point of return when it comes to interests in Ukraines future and resources! 

 

It is a fight for the resources both parts needs, and if Ukraine was Georgia, this war wouldn’t last long, and you ask why? Ukraine have more potential. 

 

Pure business as usual. 

24 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

What do you talk about? 

 

Ukraine is at war with Russian who invaded them! 

 

Everything else is just BS people buys in to in to in a larger scale, and I have to give you the double morality where we punish Russia with one hand but still need their resources. 

Total rubbish, Russia moved into Eastern Ukraine to protect the main population who were ethnic Russians who spoke Russian and belong to the Russisan orthodox chuch, and were about to be banned from speaking Russian, schools banned from teaching Russian and not allowed to practice their religion, the west has been goading Russia for decades, the Ukrainians are nothing but cannon fodder, totally expendable to the EMPIRE(US) and its European allies. The west has badly miscalculated the Russian strength but has no way out just continue.

Remember when they say Europe is in danger the only 3 countries that are shouting for war are UK, France and Germany, the 1st 2 countries are in desperate financial trouble and Germany knows it is on the same path

40 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Russia cannot even beat Ukraine , so now they want to go to war with Europe,

the only way the could win is with nuclear weapons ,then everybody is Fxxxxx

 

regards worgeordie

 

If you wokies get your way that is how this will end up. Western nations blasting missiles deep inside Russia is pure insanity, and to what end? Russia has won the war already no surprise they have no interest in negotiating. Keep ratcheting up the war, more bodies, more misery, more danger it spirals out of control. Nice one

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Another 'what if' that will never happen.  

 

WW III would be less profitable than the MSM, entertainment news of predicting it.   So WW III will never happen.

 

I takes a special kind of stupid to think WW III would ever happen 

You mean someone like Putin ? Ukraine needs military help right now or Putin will take all of Ukraine and beyond . Also I never suggested a ww 111 . It would be Europe at war . 

3 minutes ago, superal said:

You mean someone like Putin ? Ukraine needs military help right now or Putin will take all of Ukraine and beyond . Also I never suggested a ww 111 . It would be Europe at war . 

After replacing the population and smashing culture and national pride, the left expect nu- Europeans to die in a war to protect what exactly? Do you guys acknowledge deep down what a catastrophe the demographic switcheroo was now that Europe faces external threats(largely of their own making)?

7 minutes ago, howerde said:

Total rubbish, Russia moved into Eastern Ukraine to protect the main population who were ethnic Russians who spoke Russian and belong to the Russisan orthodox chuch, and were about to be banned from speaking Russian, schools banned from teaching Russian and not allowed to practice their religion, the west has been goading Russia for decades, the Ukrainians are nothing but cannon fodder, totally expendable to the EMPIRE(US) and its European allies. The west has badly miscalculated the Russian strength but has no way out just continue.

Remember when they say Europe is in danger the only 3 countries that are shouting for war are UK, France and Germany, the 1st 2 countries are in desperate financial trouble and Germany knows it is on the same path

 

And with that, we just have to chose our trustworthy sources, and swallow the propaganda we choose to believe! 

 

No doubt Ukraine had their share of pigs in the war, so it all comes down to your perception of what is right or wrong, and who you want to side with. 

 

Afterall, Europe have sided with USA far to long, thinking of all the wars and interventions on false premises they have been through and still doing. As said it is pure business and trying to hold the alliance alive. It is a constant war about the world resources and the economic power. At once you understand those simple things, you chose the side what benefits your position. 

 

My life is in the west, and my future depends on the west, not Russia or China 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Another 'what if' that will never happen.  

 

I'm realizing now that the internet is flooded with dozens if not hundreds of these potential scenarios that never happen.

 

The internet is clickbait on steroids and we need to stop reacting to everything. 

 

Note to self.

 

2 hours ago, superal said:

Prevalent on TV news and newspapers is the topic of an imminent European war with Russia . Adding to the conjecture are 1/ the recent Russian submarine  in the English Channel ,

2/ Russian spy ship , in English waters north of Scotland , believed to be monitoring undersea communication cables and then aiming lasers at R.A.F. pilots who were tracking the vessel and 3/ why would Putin state that he doesn't want a war with Europe but is ready and capable if need be . I am thinking that much will depend on Zelenskys response to the Trump driven peace treaty . There are many opinions that Zelensky will not concede any land to Russia as written in the Treaty . If it came to a war between Europe and Russia do you think that Trump would support Europe / fellow NATO countries ?

Europe\Nato is standing their ground as they should. Russian is a paper tiger at this point with its economy near collapse and being exploited by China and others. The military is fairly patheticly manned and can't even take a relatively small country like Ukraine. Their threats of nuclear use would spell the end to much of Russia and is nothing more than a bluff. 

38 minutes ago, howerde said:

Total rubbish, Russia moved into Eastern Ukraine to protect the main population who were ethnic Russians who spoke Russian and belong to the Russisan orthodox chuch, and were about to be banned from speaking Russian, schools banned from teaching Russian and not allowed to practice their religion, the west has been goading Russia for decades, the Ukrainians are nothing but cannon fodder, totally expendable to the EMPIRE(US) and its European allies. The west has badly miscalculated the Russian strength but has no way out just continue.

Remember when they say Europe is in danger the only 3 countries that are shouting for war are UK, France and Germany, the 1st 2 countries are in desperate financial trouble and Germany knows it is on the same path

Total rubbish.

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I'm realizing now that the internet is flooded with dozens if not hundreds of these potential scenarios that never happen.

 

The internet is clickbait on steroids and we need to stop reacting to everything. 

 

Note to self.

 

 

Still it is preparing the mass for whats might come. It is an important way to make the young people aware they one day will have to fight. The last few decades the young men have become fat, lazy and soft, and the average fitness and awareness needs to be scaled up a Tod. 

 

Army becomes a popular institution to join again. At least in Norway

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

And yet ...

 

 

Along with punishing other countries that trade with Russia ...

... is that the work of a puppet  

 

 

And yet he gives putin a reach around every chance he gets and never follows thru with anything he claims he will impose. Every "negotiation" attempt leaves nothing accomplished other than reiterating Russian demands. He is a buffoon and laughingstock of every country in the world

2 hours ago, superal said:

If it came to a war between Europe and Russia do you think that Trump would support Europe / fellow NATO countries ?

 

What I gathered is Trump wants to focus on the Western hemisphere, decoupling from China, and telling China and Russia to stay in their hemisphere and Trump will stay in his hemisphere. 

 

So maybe not, if there's any truth to that hypothesis. 

 

2 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

 

 

It takes a special kind of naivety to think Trump is anything but Putin's puppet.

And Stephen seagal another Putin puppet along with trump

Putin will not risk a (direct) military confrontation with NATO (members).

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

What I gathered is Trump wants to focus on the Western hemisphere, decoupling from China, and telling China and Russia to stay in their hemisphere and Trump will stay in his hemisphere. 

 

So maybe not, if there's any truth to that hypothesis. 

 

If Trump could, he would team up with Russia and China 😉 but it is the same about Russia when there was a window open to involve Russia a bit more, but they wouldn’t accept the terms being equal partner, they want more, and they have ambitions to become great again. The same goes for China, and if the Mongols and Turks awakes again, same as Iran? 

 

Everyone needs a reason to fight for their existence, be it nationalism, religion or just self esteem, we all need something 

3 hours ago, superal said:

3/ why would Putin state that he doesn't want a war with Europe but is ready and capable if need be .

Wouldn't you want to be ready for war when threatened?  Hence Putin's comment.

Then we have NATO:
"We must be prepared for the scale of war our grandparents and great-grandparents endured."
-NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte

 

Lest Mr. Rutte forgets, but it was the grandparents and great-grandparents of their German, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Finland, the Baltics, and other Nazi sympathizing European member who invaded Russia in the first place.  And Rutte's ancestry suffered at the hands of German aggression. 

1 hour ago, howerde said:

Total rubbish, Russia moved into Eastern Ukraine to protect the main population who were ethnic Russians who spoke Russian and belong to the Russisan orthodox chuch, and were about to be banned from speaking Russian, schools banned from teaching Russian and not allowed to practice their religion, the west has been goading Russia for decades, the Ukrainians are nothing but cannon fodder, totally expendable to the EMPIRE(US) and its European allies. The west has badly miscalculated the Russian strength but has no way out just continue.

Remember when they say Europe is in danger the only 3 countries that are shouting for war are UK, France and Germany, the 1st 2 countries are in desperate financial trouble and Germany knows it is on the same path

The laws you mentioned have been voted after the annexion of Crimea...

31 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

What I gathered is Trump wants to focus on the Western hemisphere, decoupling from China, and telling China and Russia to stay in their hemisphere and Trump will stay in his hemisphere. 

 

So maybe not, if there's any truth to that hypothesis. 

 

Are you seriously thinking that Trump has any chance to "decouple" Russia from China?

1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

Russia cannot even beat Ukraine , so now they want to go to war with Europe,

the only way the could win is with nuclear weapons ,then everybody is Fxxxxx

 

regards worgeordie

 

Putin is not stupid enough to use nukes with Europe. The are countries is Europe that have nukes too, and will retaliate. One Russian nuke fired at Europe, and Moscow is glass. MAD will rule OK.