4 minutes ago, johng said:

Well you take away the guns from the law abiding citizens,and then the only people who have a gun are the police and the other criminals,  you then have to go down an ever descending scale of what is an offensive weapon..pen knifes,hammers,keys, stiletto heels  ????

 

Are you smart enough to come up with something you actually thought of instead of repeating the same old lame stuff?

Australians are mature enough and they love their kids enough to try and get guns off the street.

All over the world it is proven time and time again,less guns on the street means less murders.

Are you too thick in the head to realize you are wrong?

On 12/19/2025 at 1:48 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

Damn time. I didn't even realise Aussies had guns and would therefore copy US mass shootings.

 

Not holding my breath for the US to do the same. Can't have arms dealers starving, now can we.

Everyone born male has a gun - they come in a variety of sizes.  The things that can shoot bullets and kill people are called weapons.  I remember my military drill sergeant making an example of a young man who dared to call his M-16 a gun stand in front of the entire company, take out his penis then hold it in one hand and his M-16 in the other showing both to all of us while chanting "This is my weapon, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun".

10 minutes ago, johng said:

Well you take away the guns from the law abiding citizens,and then the only people who have a gun are the police and the other criminals,  you then have to go down an ever descending scale of what is an offensive weapon..pen knifes,hammers,keys, stiletto heels  ????

 

Oh yeah, of course!

So tell me where are all these criminals with guns in the UK? Where are they in Japan? You think the crims are all running around toting guns? If only we all had them so we could shoot the bad guys, right?

In your society you think everybody should have guns so you can all blast the heck out of each other. Mass shootings almost daily. People shot for ringing the doorbell of the wrong house. We don't have those. And we like it that way. We don't need armed security or metal detectors at schools either and we like that too. 

And how many of your mass shootings have been stopped by the fabled "good guy with a gun"?

Take away guns and it means it is much harder to shoot people, which means there are far fewer murders. It is not rocket science. 

Another useless idea from a clueless unintelligent PM.  What he should do is send the muslims back to where they 

came from and then there will be peace again.

16 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

In your society you think everybody should have guns so you can all blast the heck out of each other.

if the criminals have guns,  the police have guns and the military have guns why can't the normal law abiding citizen have a gun to defend themself from all of the above ?

 

On a side note the government/military have been ramping up he sabre rattling against Russia  warning that  Britain must be prepared to sacrifice their sons and daughters (France said this first) to fight the evil Putin...with plastic forks perhaps...

not guns for heavens sake !

59 minutes ago, jvs said:

Are you smart enough to come up with something you actually thought of instead of repeating the same old lame stuff?

I thought of all that lame stuff myself,no AI  involved.

 

59 minutes ago, jvs said:

Are you too thick in the head to realize you are wrong?

Are you too brainwashed to realise you may be wrong ?

We all know that the US has the highest number of gun ownership in the world and has very high gun crime but per estimated number of guns per 100 people Canada comes in at number seven and Finland at number 10. Not exactly countries that spring to mind when talking about gun violence. Australia comes in at number 51. As I said above this gun buyback and strengthening of gun laws is pure deflection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

1 hour ago, CM Dad said:

Everyone born male has a gun - they come in a variety of sizes.  The things that can shoot bullets and kill people are called weapons.  I remember my military drill sergeant making an example of a young man who dared to call his M-16 a gun stand in front of the entire company, take out his penis then hold it in one hand and his M-16 in the other showing both to all of us while chanting "This is my weapon, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun".

Really?I saw that movie,did not realize you where in it!

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

We all know that the US has the highest number of gun ownership in the world and has very high gun crime but per estimated number of guns per 100 people Canada comes in at number seven and Finland at number 10. Not exactly countries that spring to mind when talking about gun violence. Australia comes in at number 51. As I said above this gun buyback and strengthening of gun laws is pure deflection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

So if i look at it logically i come up with the idea that us citizens can not handle the freedom of owning a gun.

Nothing to be proud of there dinsdale.

49 minutes ago, johng said:

if the criminals have guns,  the police have guns and the military have guns why can't the normal law abiding citizen have a gun to defend themself from all of the above ?

 

On a side note the government/military have been ramping up he sabre rattling against Russia  warning that  Britain must be prepared to sacrifice their sons and daughters (France said this first) to fight the evil Putin...with plastic forks perhaps...

not guns for heavens sake !

Wow! Do people in the us go to war carrying their own gun?  Just more desperate moves on your part.

Are you going to fight your own government with your own gun?

I have read it all before,dead cold hands and all that school boy silliness.

If the government would come for you they will send a drone to take you out?

Dead cold hands? No they will be sweeping your ashes away and they may find a gun in there some where.

So nice to see you still believe in fairy tales.

Are you too dumb to realize you may be wrong?

Or has that thought never entered your brain?

14 minutes ago, jvs said:

So if i look at it logically i come up with the idea that us citizens can not handle the freedom of owning a gun.

Nothing to be proud of there dinsdale.

Not sure what your point is. In Australia people just don't want a gun or don't feel the need to have a gun.

1 hour ago, johng said:

if the criminals have guns,  the police have guns and the military have guns why can't the normal law abiding citizen have a gun to defend themself from all of the above ?

Again, we don't need to feel like Rambo. And you don't get it, the criminals generally don't have guns in my country - because guns are really hard to come by!! 

And you think you need to defend yourself from your military?? And you think your mini Rambo collection is a good defence against a military rocket launcher, tank, drone, F-16, F-35? You guys live in cloud cuckoo land.

 

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On a side note the government/military have been ramping up he sabre rattling against Russia  warning that  Britain must be prepared to sacrifice their sons and daughters (France said this first) to fight the evil Putin...with plastic forks perhaps...

not guns for heavens sake !

Er, I think our military does have guns actually. Yep, Googled it, they do. Thanks for your concern. 

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

We all know that the US has the highest number of gun ownership in the world and has very high gun crime but per estimated number of guns per 100 people Canada comes in at number seven and Finland at number 10. Not exactly countries that spring to mind when talking about gun violence. Australia comes in at number 51. As I said above this gun buyback and strengthening of gun laws is pure deflection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

 

There's another number that explains that.  You can find it in the FBI gun crime and murder statistics.  But if you dare to notice it, you'll be called out as a racist. 

 

The USA doesn't have a gun problem, we have a culture problem.  Or, rather, a problem culture.  

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

There's another number that explains that.  You can find it in the FBI gun crime and murder statistics.  But if you dare to notice it, you'll be called out as a racist. 

 

The USA doesn't have a gun problem, we have a culture problem.  Or, rather, a problem culture.  

Yes, you do. What ethnicity, sex, and religion are the majority of mass shooters?

Yep, white, male, Christian. I agree you have a problem with white Christian males.

https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

"The USA doesn't have a gun problem". Only a complete gun nut fruit cake can say something like that when the evidence is all around you, and civilised western countries laugh at you and your strange gun fetish. 

22 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

There's another number that explains that.  You can find it in the FBI gun crime and murder statistics.  But if you dare to notice it, you'll be called out as a racist. 

 

The USA doesn't have a gun problem, we have a culture problem.  Or, rather, a problem culture.  

Agree but there's nothing racist in saying that African Americans who represent around 13% of the US population are responsible for more than 50% of crimes committed.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Yep, white, male, Christian. I agree you have a problem with white Christian males.

No the major problem is gang violence..and suicides..

 

29 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Er, I think our military does have guns actually. Yep, Googled it, they do. Thanks for your concern. 

What about the conscripted Europeans who will be forced to fight the evil Russian empire..they will have guns too..or just plastic forks

and after they heroically defeat the evil axis forces  will they be allowed to keep the forks ?  

2 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Another useless idea from a clueless unintelligent PM.  What he should do is send the muslims back to where they 

came from and then there will be peace again.

For your information the brave man who stopped one of the attackers is a Muslim!

Fancy that eh?

Sorry it does not fit your narrative.

You will need to try another angle,no one is buying this bs you post.

57 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure what your point is. In Australia people just don't want a gun or don't feel the need to have a gun.

ok, i will spell it out for you,Australians are ok with the fact that less guns means less children will be shot!

clear enough for you?

 

20 minutes ago, jvs said:

less children will be shot!

What about the 'maniac' with knifes,screwdrivers, keys, stiletto heels

or a vehicle  not to mention  the snakes the spiders the shark attacks 

the flash floods  or 'safe and effectives'

 

23 minutes ago, jvs said:

For your information the brave man who stopped one of the attackers is a Muslim!

Yes he is a very brave man indeed no doubt about that.

And the 2 attackers..white Christians ????? or maybe not.

 

Also without guns how will the farmers control the vermin on their land..call out the police or military..or just  get rid of all the pesky farmers and eat the lab grown food and some bugs ??

2 hours ago, johng said:

What about the 'maniac' with knifes,screwdrivers, keys, stiletto heels

or a vehicle  not to mention  the snakes the spiders the shark attacks 

the flash floods  or 'safe and effectives'

Er......what? (Edit: ah, an anti vaxxer as well, makes even more sense now)

I would rather the maniac had some keys or a stiletto heel rather than a gun. Isn't that obvious?

 

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Also without guns how will the farmers control the vermin on their land..call out the police or military.

There you go again with your Rambo fantasy of people defending themselves against their own military. When are the police and military going to rise up against you? And how is your little Rambo armoury going to prevent defeat against your army that has bigger guns than you, and advanced communications, and satellites, and infra red, oh and rocket launchers, laser guided missiles, tanks, armoured personal carriers, helicopter gun ships, F-16s, F-35s, Stealth bombers, bunker busters, armour piercing rounds, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines.

"Pow pow", little Rambo takes them all down!!  Do you dress up as Rambo too sometimes to act out your fantasies??

The delusion and paranoia is borderline insane. 

 

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or just  get rid of all the pesky farmers and eat the lab grown food and some bugs ??

Yeah, countries with low gun ownership all eat lab grown food. The UK doesn't have farm grown food. Neither does most of Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia. We can only have real food if we're armed to the teeth? Do farmers in America shoot locusts? Do you machine gun aphids? Blast weeds with your M-16s?

Where does this level of delusion come from????
 

22 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

Just the convenient excuse the kontrol freeks were looking for to disarm otherwise peaceful Aussie citizens.

 

You better wake yo arxes up, Australians... or did you enjoy the abuse you got during the Convid lockup?

 

21/12  for your number 33 of course...

You can't get a gun licence based on protecting yourself and family in Australia. That's not a valid reason to have one by law. Anyone with a valid reason - farmers, sport shooters, etc, can get one. The guns used in Bondi were registered guns. 

8 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

As I said before, you assume every country is as f'd up as yours. They aren't. We (Brits, Australians) don't need to feel like Rambo, we don't want guns on our streets, we don't want them in our homes. And more to the point: we don't need them.

Who is "pandering to the extreme left"? You're out of your mind. There was a tragic mass shooting. Australia doesn't like mass shootings, unlike your country. Australia immediately takes action after one happens, unlike your country. Australia likely won't see another one for many many years to come, unlike your country which will have dozens more the same year.

They are "pandering" to the wishes of their people to be safe from extreme gun violence. And bravo! If only your leaders weren't so spineless.

 

Australia after a tragic mass shooting: Take action, get guns off the streets.

America after what is almost a daily mass shooting: ......................

 

 

And then American gun nuts come on here to criticise. It is insane, how can you not see which route is better? A bunch of pathetic wannabe rambos.

Crazies dont hand in guns.

4 hours ago, jvs said:

ok, i will spell it out for you,Australians are ok with the fact that less guns means less children will be shot!

clear enough for you?

 

And where is the proof?

25 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Crazies dont hand in guns.

Ah.......so keep everyone armed then, makes sense, keep the country flooded with guns.

In the UK a "crazy" can't get a gun, that's why since we cracked down on guns after a major mass shooting in Hungerford in 1987 it has rarely happened again.  We passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988. That's called taking action, a strange concept to you no doubt.

Since then we went 8 years until Dunblane in 1996, after which we enacted an almost total ban on private firearm ownership, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 parts 1 & 2. Again, taking action, not doing nothing and accepting the death of children as a normal thing. 

Then we went 14 years with nothing until an incident in 2010 and then practically nothing until the death of six people in Cumbria in 2021. 

I know we could do much better, that's a pathetically low number of mass shootings. Your prize as the best is safe, don't worry. If only we could be like you.

Our crazies generally can't get guns. 

The facts and stats don't lie, you can dream up as much nonsense about crazies, stiletto heels, fighting your imagined military invasion of your own country as you like to justify your strange fetish for guns and your utter apathy about gun violence and deaths of innocent people - an apathy that the rest of the civilised world, sorry the rest of the civilised world, will NEVER understand.

And even worse coming in to threads where other countries have taken action that has saved lives and bleating about needing guns and feeling sorry for us for not having them, it is just ludicrous. Do what you like in your own country, nobody wants to be like you. We don't want guns. We don't need guns. None of us need to think we are little Rambos, it is pathetic.

44 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ah.......so keep everyone armed then, makes sense, keep the country flooded with guns.

In the UK a "crazy" can't get a gun, that's why since we cracked down on guns after a major mass shooting in Hungerford in 1987 it has rarely happened again.  We passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988. That's called taking action, a strange concept to you no doubt.

Since then we went 8 years until Dunblane in 1996, after which we enacted an almost total ban on private firearm ownership, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 parts 1 & 2. Again, taking action, not doing nothing and accepting the death of children as a normal thing. 

Then we went 14 years with nothing until an incident in 2010 and then practically nothing until the death of six people in Cumbria in 2021. 

I know we could do much better, that's a pathetically low number of mass shootings. Your prize as the best is safe, don't worry. If only we could be like you.

Our crazies generally can't get guns. 

The facts and stats don't lie, you can dream up as much nonsense about crazies, stiletto heels, fighting your imagined military invasion of your own country as you like to justify your strange fetish for guns and your utter apathy about gun violence and deaths of innocent people - an apathy that the rest of the civilised world, sorry the rest of the civilised world, will NEVER understand.

And even worse coming in to threads where other countries have taken action that has saved lives and bleating about needing guns and feeling sorry for us for not having them, it is just ludicrous. Do what you like in your own country, nobody wants to be like you. We don't want guns. We don't need guns. None of us need to think we are little Rambos, it is pathetic.

Cars are killers. They dont ban them. 

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Cars are killers. They dont ban them. 

Yawn.

No intelligent argument then. Just cliches.

5 hours ago, jvs said:

For your information the brave man who stopped one of the attackers is a Muslim!

Fancy that eh?

Sorry it does not fit your narrative.

You will need to try another angle,no one is buying this bs you post.

But the shooters were too.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Yawn.

No intelligent argument then. Just cliches.

How does a buyback stop a crazy? 

9 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Two hands, four guns. Yep, I don't get the math.

Different guns for different uses.  Do you only own one screwdriver? 

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

How does a buyback stop a crazy? 

Try reading my posts. I'll try one last time.

Crazies can't get guns. They are not accessible. Say in your constantly repeated scenario of this "crazy" - if there are no guns on the market, if private ownership is severely restricted or banned then your "crazy" won't be able to get one will he?

Ahhhhhh, but what if a crazy has one already today and keeps it? That's your golden nugget isn't it? Maybe one does. But the next 10, 20, 100 "crazies" won't be able to. So you would rather have guns accessible to all "crazies" in future just in case one or two keep theirs today? That's the best argument you have? Do you not see there is no logic to what you are saying at all?

Again, read my posts above. Read about what the UK did, read about the results since. End of argument. The facts are there. Case closed.