20 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

The rule is simple: intent and attempts at authoritarian overreach are dangerous and deserve strong condemnation, but they aren't legally equivalent to completed crimes like mass extrajudicial killings.

The distinction between attempted/intended authoritarian overreach and completed criminal acts (which trigger actual legal consequences) is a bedrock principle of criminal law, constitutional protections, and human rights standards worldwide—not some special carve-out for one political side.

• Intent + failed attempt = moral/political crisis, impeachment fodder, public rebuke, but rarely criminal prosecution unless it crosses into conspiracy or incitement.

• Intent + successful act that deprives people of life, liberty, or rights = crime, often a grave one (e.g., deprivation of rights under color of law, crimes against humanity).

That line isn't hypocrisy or relativism; it's what prevents democracies from prosecuting people for bad thoughts or rhetorical excesses while still holding them accountable when they actually cross into illegal deeds.

Iran's regime crossed that line with lethal force, mass arrests, and systematic suppression.

Trump's most concerning statements and musings (e.g., "terminate" rhetoric, Insurrection Act talk) stayed on the intent/attempt side and were checked by institutions—dangerous, yes; legally equivalent to extrajudicial killings, no.

The standard is consistent and universal. If it weren't, we'd be criminalizing every politician's worst off-the-cuff remark, and that's not a principle worth defending.

If attempted murder is a crime because intent plus a concrete act matters regardless of outcome, why does attempted authoritarian abuse of state power become irrelevant simply because it failed?

On 1/12/2026 at 3:27 PM, John Drake said:

It doesn't matter if they are "unwanted." Because of course Minnesota politicians don't them there. I suppose everyone has forgotten just why ICE went to Minneapolis. It was because of widespread fraud involving billions of dollars being fraudulently used primarily by Somali crime rings on fake daycare centers. Walz and Frey don't want ICE there, because they've layered in the protection for the fraudsters and criminals, many of whom are illegally in the US.

A case that was prosecuted under Biden and the perpetrators sent to prison.

8 hours ago, transam said:

Trolling, sunbeam, I think that is down to you..........😉

I lived in London for 50 years, what is going on now is nothing to do with me, I've been away for a very long time........🤩

I have many friends living in London and none have problems with immigrants.

The only people I see having a problem with immigrants are people who aren't exactly the most sophisticated members of society.

A Department of Homeland Security whistleblower has released the identities of about 4,500 ICE and Border Patrol employees Tuesday in what has been called potentially the largest agency data breach for the department.

Information included in the new leak includes around "1,800 on-the-ground agents and 150 supervisors. Early analysis by the organization suggests that around 80 per cent of the staff identified remain employed by DHS," according to The Beast.

An observer gestures while federal agents stand near, days after an ICE agent fatally shot Renee Nicole Good, in Minneapolis, Minnesota on Jan. 13, 2026. REUTERS/Tim Evans© provided by RawStory

The first batch of names was slated to be posted on the site on Tuesday night.

Members of the public have reportedly also shared information about agents in hotels and even neighbors.

“I’ve had hotel staff sending post-it notes, bar staff sending DHS IDs, and loads of people saying their neighbour is an agent,” Skinner said.

Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

4 hours ago, bannork said:

A Department of Homeland Security whistleblower has released the identities of about 4,500 ICE and Border Patrol employees Tuesday in what has been called potentially the largest agency data breach for the department.

Information included in the new leak includes around "1,800 on-the-ground agents and 150 supervisors. Early analysis by the organization suggests that around 80 per cent of the staff identified remain employed by DHS," according to The Beast.

An observer gestures while federal agents stand near, days after an ICE agent fatally shot Renee Nicole Good, in Minneapolis, Minnesota on Jan. 13, 2026. REUTERS/Tim Evans© provided by RawStory

The first batch of names was slated to be posted on the site on Tuesday night.

Members of the public have reportedly also shared information about agents in hotels and even neighbors.

“I’ve had hotel staff sending post-it notes, bar staff sending DHS IDs, and loads of people saying their neighbour is an agent,” Skinner said.

Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

and you are proud of this, really sad

How many (ice) agents does it take to drag a teenage employee out of target slam the youngster into the ground rough him up then haul him away???oh and btw he’s American……..Americans citizens are getting angered more and more everyday by this obvious bs the republicans are history for a bit in my view.This trump created mess will be viewed historically as worse than the imprisonment of the Japanese during ww2.

23 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

Following the death MURDER of Renee Nicole Good.

you mean the persistant agitator who tried to use a 4,000lb vehicle to run over an officer who legally ordered her to remove her ass from the car

13 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

I have many friends living in London and none have problems with immigrants.

The only people I see having a problem with immigrants are people who aren't exactly the most sophisticated members of society.

Am sure you're right...

59 minutes ago, transam said:

I think murdering an unarmed lady, who is trying to leave is unacceptable, but a few of you weirdo's think its OK.......You get on with it, if it were Biden still in control, YOU would be SCREAMING the opposite...........FACT.............🤥

Nobody here thinks "murdering" anyone is OK—not me, not "a few of you weirdo's" (nice ad hominem, by the way; real mature). What I think is unacceptable is you playing executioner based on 47 seconds of video, ignoring the full evidence (autopsy? Dispatch logs? Unreleased footage? Nah, who needs that?). The agent claims self-defense against a car accelerating toward him—disputed, sure, but that's why investigations exist, genius. Not your feelings.

And the Biden flip-flop fantasy? If this happened under Biden, I'd say the exact same thing: Due process first—investigate thoroughly, charge if warranted, trial, verdict. No skipping steps because "unarmed lady" tugs at heartstrings.

But you? You'd probably be the one screaming "fake news" or "deep state cover-up" if it didn't fit your narrative. FACT: Hypocrisy is bipartisan, but yours is on full display.Get off your soapbox, drop the "weirdo" labels, and let the facts scream for themselves. Justice isn't a partisan scream-off; it's a process. If the evidence nails the agent, he'll fry. Until then, your "murder" chant is just noise from the peanut gallery.

Keep screaming the opposite if it helps you sleep—I'll stick to reality!!

Of course if want to go back in time to before Magna Carta, 1215, when due process never existed, and lynchings were the order of the day, that's up to you?

17 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Nobody here thinks "murdering" anyone is OK—not me, not "a few of you weirdo's" (nice ad hominem, by the way; real mature). What I think is unacceptable is you playing executioner based on 47 seconds of video, ignoring the full evidence (autopsy? Dispatch logs? Unreleased footage? Nah, who needs that?). The agent claims self-defense against a car accelerating toward him—disputed, sure, but that's why investigations exist, genius. Not your feelings.

And the Biden flip-flop fantasy? If this happened under Biden, I'd say the exact same thing: Due process first—investigate thoroughly, charge if warranted, trial, verdict. No skipping steps because "unarmed lady" tugs at heartstrings.

But you? You'd probably be the one screaming "fake news" or "deep state cover-up" if it didn't fit your narrative. FACT: Hypocrisy is bipartisan, but yours is on full display.Get off your soapbox, drop the "weirdo" labels, and let the facts scream for themselves. Justice isn't a partisan scream-off; it's a process. If the evidence nails the agent, he'll fry. Until then, your "murder" chant is just noise from the peanut gallery.

Keep screaming the opposite if it helps you sleep—I'll stick to reality!!

Of course if want to go back in time to before Magna Carta, 1215, when due process never existed, and lynchings were the order of the day, that's up to you?

Oh, dear, "Nobody here thinks killing is OK".............🤣

Go away...........🤣

1 hour ago, Luuk Chaai said:

you mean the persistant agitator who tried to use a 4,000lb vehicle to run over an officer who legally ordered her to remove her ass from the car

Wrong. She turned her car away from the officer. The wheels indicated that. 2 shots were fired into the side left window killing her. Clearly he was in no harm’s way when he fired those fatal shoots. Prosecutors were ordered to investigate Renee Good to try muddle the waters and they resigned in disgust.

You defending the indefensible. You just spewing rubbish.

I don't see any issue with the woman changing home locations. It is very common for Americans to move around the country for work or family.

Some may remember Kyle Rittenhouse shot people while living in Illinois and murdering killing two in Wisconsin.

As for America being a democracy, there are those who say it is a republic (majority doesn't rule), not a democracy (majority rules).

4 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

you mean the persistant agitator who tried to use a 4,000lb vehicle to run over an officer who legally ordered her to remove her ass from the car

Illegally ordered. No warrant and no probable cause. And, no jurisdiction in the first place--ICE has zero authority with traffic issues, which is what this initially was, a car partially blocking the road. The ICE agents were in the wrong and breaking the law from the get-go.

Two Minneapolis residents who have been monitoring immigration officers' actions during the Trump administration's latest crackdown say they were detained without charge for several hours in distressing conditions, denied phone calls, and pressured to rat out protest organizers and people living in the country illegally.

The accusations leveled by Brandon Sigüenza and Patty O’Keefe suggest that the Department of Homeland Security is employing similar tactics in Minneapolis and St. Paul as it did during the crackdowns in Los Angeles, Chicago and New Orleans. Federal officers are again using roving patrols, warrantless arrests and aggressive tactics such as spraying chemical irritants, breaking car windows and recording protesters, including Renee Good and her vehicle in the moments before an ICE officer fatally shot her.

According to organizers and an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit, immigration officers have also been surveilling activists who have been observing their activities in the Twin Cities, violating their First Amendment rights. And Sigüenza, who like his friend O'Keefe is a U.S. citizen, said an immigration officer who questioned him Sunday even offered him money or legal protection if he gave up the names of organizers or neighbors who are in the country illegally.

Minneapolis duo details their ICE detention, including pressure to rat on protest organizers

Immigration agents were faulted more than a decade ago for tactics that have fallen under intense scrutiny in the wake of a fatal shooting of a motorist in Minneapolis.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection attempted to block a scathing 21-page report in 2014 that found agents had deliberately stepped in the path of cars to justify shooting at drivers and fired gunshots in frustration at individuals throwing rocks from the Mexican side of the border, reported the Los Angeles Times in February 2014.

“It is suspected that in many vehicle shooting cases, the subject driver was attempting to flee from the agents who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force,” stated that report, which was commissioned more than a decade ago by CB

Border agents faulted years ago for tactics blamed in fatal Minneapolis shooting

The Washington Post reported this week. "The SUV did move toward Ross as he stood in front of it, according to a Post analysis of video footage. But he moved out of the way and fired at least two of three shots from the side of the vehicle as it veered past him, the analysis found. Available videos of the incident reviewed by The Post do not show clearly if Good’s SUV made contact with Ross."

16 hours ago, newnative said:

Illegally ordered. No warrant and no probable cause. And, no jurisdiction in the first place--ICE has zero authority with traffic issues, which is what this initially was, a car partially blocking the road. The ICE agents were in the wrong and breaking the law from the get-go.

impeding / obstructing FEDERAL officers is a felony .. full stop ...

23 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

impeding / obstructing FEDERAL officers is a felony .. full stop ...

dear thumbs down crew

Key Federal Statutes & Examples:

• 18 U.S.C. § 111: Forcibly assaulting, resisting, or impeding federal law enforcement officers in their duties.

• 18 U.S.C. § 1512: Tampering with a witness, victim, or informant, or destroying/altering evidence, leading to potential sentences of up to 30 years.

• 18 U.S.C. § 1503: Corruptly influencing or impeding jurors or court officers, with penalties up to 20 years.

• 18 U.S.C. § 3056(d): Specifically for obstructing Secret Service protective functions, requiring willful interference. 

21 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

impeding / obstructing FEDERAL officers is a felony .. full stop ...

And, she did neither. She was sitting in a parked car. The ICE agents could have easily driven around her. They chose to illegally engage in what was a traffic situation, for which they have zero authority. Zero. Not only were they breaking the law, they then broke a number of ICE rules, to boot.

Keep trying to put over MAGA's latest Big Lie. Not working on me or anyone else who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid. Check the latest polls, your Big Lie is failing badly, with only 27% believing her killing was justified.

15 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

dear thumbs down crew

Key Federal Statutes & Examples:

• 18 U.S.C. § 111: Forcibly assaulting, resisting, or impeding federal law enforcement officers in their duties.

• 18 U.S.C. § 1512: Tampering with a witness, victim, or informant, or destroying/altering evidence, leading to potential sentences of up to 30 years.

• 18 U.S.C. § 1503: Corruptly influencing or impeding jurors or court officers, with penalties up to 20 years.

• 18 U.S.C. § 3056(d): Specifically for obstructing Secret Service protective functions, requiring willful interference. 

And, pray tell, how is she doing any of those calmly sitting, unarmed, in a parked car. Your Big Lie is seriously dying on the vine--and posts like yours are just making our case, not yours.

ICE agent slipping on ice.

On 1/12/2026 at 8:25 AM, JonnyF said:

You mean back down and let the leftist terrorists win?

Not gonna happen. Trump is a strong leader and will ensure that ICE can do their job.

Don't want to get hurt? Don't drive your car into federal agents doing their job. It's that simple.

A fake strongman, a proxy for weak men’s illusions of strength! 😅

5 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

impeding / obstructing FEDERAL officers is a felony .. full stop ...

Lol! The videos are showing several cars passing quietly in front of her car, and that includes her murderer's SUV! 🤣

On 1/15/2026 at 9:10 AM, newnative said:

And, she did neither. She was sitting in a parked car. The ICE agents could have easily driven around her. They chose to illegally engage in what was a traffic situation, for which they have zero authority. Zero. Not only were they breaking the law, they then broke a number of ICE rules, to boot.

Keep trying to put over MAGA's latest Big Lie. Not working on me or anyone else who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid. Check the latest polls, your Big Lie is failing badly, with only 27% believing her killing was justified.

I can recommend a good ophthalmologist for the poor eyesight

On 1/14/2026 at 12:38 PM, transam said:

Oh, dear, "Nobody here thinks killing is OK".............🤣

Go away...........🤣

You should take your own advice!!

18 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

I can recommend a good ophthalmologist for the poor eyesight

Don't bother. I had SuperSight done and I can see perfectly, as can the vast majority of Americans, who agree the killing was unjustified. Sorry, your Big Lie just isn't working this time. Way too much video evidence that even the myopic can see shows the killing was a murder.

The latest howler is the asinine claim that the murdering agent was 'bleeding internally'. As doctors have pointed out, if that were actually true he never would have been released, and so quickly, from the hospital. He would have been admitted to discover where inside he was bleeding, as, obviously, that would be very serious. They also pointed out that an injury like that would take strong, blunt force trauma, such as a vehicle hitting you at a high rate of speed. The more ridiculous Big Lies MAGA tries, the worse they look.

40 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

You should take your own advice!!

No, I am the one with the facts, old boy..........🧐

3 hours ago, transam said:

No, I am the one with the facts, old boy..........🧐

You call what you have facts???? Good One!!

Old boy!

On 1/11/2026 at 8:32 PM, Hummin said:

The hypocrisy this government dealing with? The internal protest that gets violent in USA, and the protests in Iran which Trump only can admire how they deal with and wish he could done the same.

Not far from the uneducated stooges here at this forum who do not see the similarities between those two, and how little separates them

You are undoubtedly the wisest and most honorable individual on this site, and I am genuinely inspired by your exceptional intellect and insight.

On 1/14/2026 at 9:23 PM, shdmn said:

ICE agent slipping on ice.

It’s time to dismantle borders and welcome everyone with open arms. No human being should ever be labeled as illegal. Let’s advocate for open borders now!

3 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

You are undoubtedly the wisest and most honorable individual on this site, and I am genuinely inspired by your exceptional intellect and insight.

I love your Irony ☝️