Phi Phi Island Ferry Capsizes In Krabi

[Marcan]

Ferry Capsizes In Thailand, All 42 Passengers Safe

BANGKOK: -- A passenger ferry carrying 42 people capsized off southern Thailand Tuesday, but rescuers saved all the passengers, it was reported. The ferry was taking a group of local villagers to the resort island of Phi Phi when the incident occurred.

Police Col. Somphob Kantasee said, "A ferry, which had a capacity of up to 100 people, sank when a wave hit the boat during a storm."

Ferry capsizes in Thailand

BANGKOK: -- Dozens of people were missing after a boat capsized and sank Tuesday near a Thai resort island, police said.

The boat, carrying about a hundred passengers and crew, capsized after it faced strong currents and wind in the Andaman sea about 40 kilometers (24 miles) from mainland Krabi province, 650 kilometers (400 miles) south of Bangkok, said police Col. Sompob Kantasee

So which of these reports of the same incident do you suppose is factual????

Its always an adventure to read the news as reported by thais.....

It's always an adventure to read the anti-thai prejudices on thaivisa, but not a good one. Can anyone tell me what all of those negative farangs are doing in Thailand?

These negative farangs are in Thailand because it's the last and only country they're still accepted...

[crocodilexp]

The boat was for 100 people. Normally, there'd be 200 people on such a boat. However, this was chartered for a group and there were only 38 people on board. The cynic in me thinks this is why there were enough lifejackets for everyone.

Still, it was a very lucky day and rescuers ought to be given credit.

[mitrapaap]

all 36 passengers were floating in the water with life jackets on

they must have brought their own.

rarely if ever, have i seen enough life jackets for all passengers on ferries here in thailand.

Obviously they had them and that's it!

And if everything in Thailand was perfect, some ######ing idiots would still find something to complain and blame.

Why don't people like this not just get out of here.

[JimmyCA]

Ferry Capsizes In Thailand, All 42 Passengers Safe

BANGKOK: -- A passenger ferry carrying 42 people capsized off southern Thailand Tuesday, but rescuers saved all the passengers, it was reported. The ferry was taking a group of local villagers to the resort island of Phi Phi when the incident occurred.

Police Col. Somphob Kantasee said, "A ferry, which had a capacity of up to 100 people, sank when a wave hit the boat during a storm."

Ferry capsizes in Thailand

BANGKOK: -- Dozens of people were missing after a boat capsized and sank Tuesday near a Thai resort island, police said.

The boat, carrying about a hundred passengers and crew, capsized after it faced strong currents and wind in the Andaman sea about 40 kilometers (24 miles) from mainland Krabi province, 650 kilometers (400 miles) south of Bangkok, said police Col. Sompob Kantasee

So which of these reports of the same incident do you suppose is factual????

Its always an adventure to read the news as reported by thais.....

It's always an adventure to read the anti-thai prejudices on thaivisa, but not a good one. Can anyone tell me what all of those negative farangs are doing in Thailand?

You must be confused. Observant is not the same as anti-thai

[mitrapaap]

ive seen no thai bashing on this thread , only justified comments on the appaling lack of safety awareness and implementation of standards regarding the welfare of the travelling public in thailand.

it seems as if this hired boat was up to standard and thankfully so.

much of the daily transportation used by the general public , by road and sea , in this country is not up to standard.

that is a fact , and to mention it is not thai bashing.

And WHO sets the standards? Apparently the farang, isn't it? Just because in USA or any european country people would fall of the buses in mass if the bus had no doors automatically means that Thailand is below standard.

How glad are we that Thais are intelligent enough to know that an open door does not mean that you can just walk out without prior use of a few braincells and later sue whoever but not yourself if you crashed your nose on the concrete.

No matter whether you agree with the above or not, one thing is for sure: If it comes to tolerance, farangs are far below Thai standards.

[chinthee]

We had a discussion on the Samui board about the ferries, and how they don't have enough or proper life jackets, and that the vessels are often in poor condition. Those are observable facts. I don't call that Thai bashing do you?

[aonangkrabi]

Many respondents seem to think that it was pure luck that all the passengers had safety vests.

It was not. In Krabi and Ao Nang police strictly enforce safety regulations.

[DamianMavis]

Ferry Capsizes In Thailand, All 42 Passengers Safe

BANGKOK: -- A passenger ferry carrying 42 people capsized off southern Thailand Tuesday, but rescuers saved all the passengers, it was reported. The ferry was taking a group of local villagers to the resort island of Phi Phi when the incident occurred.

Police Col. Somphob Kantasee said, "A ferry, which had a capacity of up to 100 people, sank when a wave hit the boat during a storm."

Ferry capsizes in Thailand

BANGKOK: -- Dozens of people were missing after a boat capsized and sank Tuesday near a Thai resort island, police said.

The boat, carrying about a hundred passengers and crew, capsized after it faced strong currents and wind in the Andaman sea about 40 kilometers (24 miles) from mainland Krabi province, 650 kilometers (400 miles) south of Bangkok, said police Col. Sompob Kantasee

So which of these reports of the same incident do you suppose is factual????

Its always an adventure to read the news as reported by thais.....

It's always an adventure to read the anti-thai prejudices on thaivisa, but not a good one. Can anyone tell me what all of those negative farangs are doing in Thailand?

These negative farangs are in Thailand because it's the last and only country they're still accepted...

What the freaking he11? Are you people serious? One report says a boat of 40ish Thai people all got away safely, another says that possibly 100 people are dead, some of them tourists. Pointing out that Thailand doesnt report the news well is NOT THAI BASHING. Its a fact. Cripes. And saying falangs are not as tolerant as Thai people like that is a bad thing is ridiculous. Nobody is going to learn to accept responsibility and take accountability for their actions if other people dont start holding them accountable by not being so tolerant!

I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHICH REPORT IS TRUE!! I guess I'll never know because to ask is Thai bashing...... I should just be tolerant and accept that I'll never get straight facts. Foolish.

Damian

[mitrapaap]

Ferry Capsizes In Thailand, All 42 Passengers Safe

BANGKOK: -- A passenger ferry carrying 42 people capsized off southern Thailand Tuesday, but rescuers saved all the passengers, it was reported. The ferry was taking a group of local villagers to the resort island of Phi Phi when the incident occurred.

Police Col. Somphob Kantasee said, "A ferry, which had a capacity of up to 100 people, sank when a wave hit the boat during a storm."

Ferry capsizes in Thailand

BANGKOK: -- Dozens of people were missing after a boat capsized and sank Tuesday near a Thai resort island, police said.

The boat, carrying about a hundred passengers and crew, capsized after it faced strong currents and wind in the Andaman sea about 40 kilometers (24 miles) from mainland Krabi province, 650 kilometers (400 miles) south of Bangkok, said police Col. Sompob Kantasee

So which of these reports of the same incident do you suppose is factual????

Its always an adventure to read the news as reported by thais.....

It's always an adventure to read the anti-thai prejudices on thaivisa, but not a good one. Can anyone tell me what all of those negative farangs are doing in Thailand?

These negative farangs are in Thailand because it's the last and only country they're still accepted...

What the freaking he11? Are you people serious? One report says a boat of 40ish Thai people all got away safely, another says that possibly 100 people are dead, some of them tourists. Pointing out that Thailand doesnt report the news well is NOT THAI BASHING. Its a fact. Cripes. And saying falangs are not as tolerant as Thai people like that is a bad thing is ridiculous. Nobody is going to learn to accept responsibility and take accountability for their actions if other people dont start holding them accountable by not being so tolerant!

I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHICH REPORT IS TRUE!! I guess I'll never know because to ask is Thai bashing...... I should just be tolerant and accept that I'll never get straight facts. Foolish.

Damian

The question remains: WHO is setting the standards in THAILAND? Thais or Farangs... And WHO is free to leave this country whenever they think the standards here don't suite them? Thais or Farangs?

[Tony Clifton]

Heaven must be getting crowded, last time I went to Krabi, the life jackets had been provided by a Christian group.

[rak sa_ngop]

Heaven must be getting crowded, last time I went to Krabi, the life jackets had been provided by a Christian group.

I remember reading the advice of an Australian surfie who always carried a rubber football bladder under his swimming trunks. Not sure how easy it is to blow it up when you are drowning but sounds like a great life-saving precaution.

[steveromagnino]

Heaven must be getting crowded, last time I went to Krabi, the life jackets had been provided by a Christian group.

I remember reading the advice of an Australian surfie who always carried a rubber football bladder under his swimming trunks. Not sure how easy it is to blow it up when you are drowning but sounds like a great life-saving precaution.

Yes, I have a similar device which responds well to blowing by growing larger and providing quality bouyancy as well. I don't call mine a rubber football bladder, and require female assistance to blow it up to size, but after use beyond around 10 minutes or so, with the right person, I also tend to find myself shedding surplus weight in the form of a viscous white substance.

As a person well acquainted with the dangers of the sea - I likes dem girlies with the big fake built in life preservers for the chest region.

[Sturbuc]

Ferry Capsizes In Thailand, All 42 Passengers Safe

BANGKOK: -- A passenger ferry carrying 42 people. ...

Ferry capsizes in Thailand

...

So which of these reports of the same incident do you suppose is factual????

Its always an adventure to read the news as reported by thais.....

It's always an adventure to read the anti-thai prejudices on thaivisa, but not a good one. Can anyone tell me what all of those negative farangs are doing in Thailand?

I do always wonder how many people do have to comment such informations with more or ( most of the time) less qualified remarks. What a pretty opportunity when the bag of rice falls down...

[jts-khorat]

We had a discussion on the Samui board about the ferries, and how they don't have enough or proper life jackets, and that the vessels are often in poor condition. Those are observable facts. I don't call that Thai bashing do you?

No, this in itself would not be Thai bashing and I personally do know nothing how safety on a Samui ferry looks like at the moment; but from this observation to assume that those lax standards are applied everywhere is.

It is a fact that a lot of effort has been done locally around Phuket and Krabi to put safety standards to a level that tourists would feel comfortable with.

Thai media has its quirks (and quoting some 'Sompob' without checking up on it was rather sensational, wasn't it?); fact is, nobody got hurt while the headline of 'Phi Phi Island Ferry Capsizes' would suggest to anyone that it was one of the big ferries full of foreigners...

[Nickt1220]

Well, its nice to see nobody got hurt!

Know lets think of the bright side

Now hopefully it was a big boat and sank in not too deep of water so there will be a new nice wreck dive

[seonai]

For the record, did none of you read my post on the first page of this thread? This was not really a safety issue it was an accident. Safety on boats is very carefully monitored in this area and lifejackets are always available for all passengers. We lost quite a lot of people some years ago and now you are not allowed to leave port without every passenger wearing a life jacket.

[chinthee]

Ok, I'll tell you about Thai safety if you want. Please note that this is exclusively about Samui car ferries and not an indictment of Thai safety elsewhere, nor any kind of Thai bashing. It's only about this story.

I've been on maybe 6 car ferries from Donsak to Samui and back. On all of those trips, the life jackets are missing, and the few on the top deck are pathetic and old. My now 19 year old son was invited to, and did, smoke pot with the captain and his crew en route.

Would you like to tell us about safety?

[Greenman]

The Thais have to be commened for what is an amazing feat.

We are too quick to critisize at times and smug remarks like they must have brought their own life jackets doesn't wear well with me.

The sea is one of the most dangerous places in the world when it turns against you.

Some brave people risked their lives to save others and for that I say "RESPECT"

Edited August 22, 2007 by Greenman

[SamuiWatch]

Ferry Capsizes In Thailand, All 42 Passengers Safe

BANGKOK: -- A passenger ferry carrying 42 people capsized off southern Thailand Tuesday, but rescuers saved all the passengers, it was reported. The ferry was taking a group of local villagers to the resort island of Phi Phi when the incident occurred.

Police Col. Somphob Kantasee said, "A ferry, which had a capacity of up to 100 people, sank when a wave hit the boat during a storm."

Ferry capsizes in Thailand

BANGKOK: -- Dozens of people were missing after a boat capsized and sank Tuesday near a Thai resort island, police said.

The boat, carrying about a hundred passengers and crew, capsized after it faced strong currents and wind in the Andaman sea about 40 kilometers (24 miles) from mainland Krabi province, 650 kilometers (400 miles) south of Bangkok, said police Col. Sompob Kantasee

So which of these reports of the same incident do you suppose is factual????

Its always an adventure to read the news as reported by thais.....

It's always an adventure to read the anti-thai prejudices on thaivisa, but not a good one. Can anyone tell me what all of those negative farangs are doing in Thailand?

Well said nyles - I was thinking exactly the same thing! But you know, it's not new, racial prejudice of this type has been going on ever since the West discovered the East. Yet, if only these critics could see that their constant critcisms only really exposes their own lack of humility - if not humanity. If you notice, the main critics seem to be the beer-swilling, testosterone-charged xenophobic cranks - not your average holidaymaker or awestruck visitor - nor the world-travelled expats who have assimiated themselves into Thai culture to their own benefit as well as that of their Thai friends. Those brainless critics, whose over-riding purile wish is to attempt to impose their own questionable morals and customs onto a proud people (who need absolutely no lessons from the West on how to run their own country) are the worst possible ambassadors the West has and the sooner they are shut up the better for everyone - including themselves. The only problem with Thais as I see them - and their main weakness - is that they are, if anything, far TOO tolerant of foulmouthed farangs and their sneering comments and general rudenesses.

For those in need of elucidation of Thailand and it's people I enclose an interesting article - which we all would be better off for taking advantage of the advice contained therein. (Copyright Pappa Co Ltd.)

A Polite Society - Manners & Etiquette

Speaking from the Heart

More than 100 words and phrases in Thai language revolves around the heart. The Thai word for heart is "chai" and expressions like "chai yin yin" (let your heart cool down) are spoken politely and with concern to people who are upset, "chai lawn" (hot heart) spoken about people who are easily upset and "chai dee" a compliment to people with a good heart. [/color]Speak Politely

Even if the Words are Not Understood, Your Feelings are! Always remember you are a guest in this country, no matter how long you live here. Loud talking, using foul words and in particular the three words liar "gohoke in Thai", bullsh*t and <deleted>, make people here cringe in polite society. Remember that English is not their language. It is your language, and they are trying hard to accommodate you in speaking English because you cannot speak Thai. Lots of polite, slow moving hand gestures with a nice smile will help you communicate with almost everyone. They may not understand every word you say, but they understand your emotions when you say them so do not be trite or condescending.

Patience

Being patient is considered good manners, and will get you respect. Take your time with people, and try to understand them. Like other Asian societies, Thai culture is centered on the family unit, the pecking order and keeping "face." This means that as a foreigner, please respect your Thai hosts in all ways, no matter what their station in life might be. A Buddhist believes that their station in life may change in the next life, or may have been significantly different in a previous life, so they are tolerant and accepting of all people. When dealings with Thais go wrong, don't get angry. It won't help matters! Losing one's temper means loss of face for all concerned. Remember that you are in Asia, where self-control is most important. Thais consider talking loudly to be rude behavior in most situations.

Spending More Time Talking Gets Results

Spend time slowly and politely talking with Thais in a pleasant voice without over-explaining things. Details are not too important to Thais. Getting to the point in a slow polite way so they can help you is what is important. If you want to have a personal relationship with someone you are attracted to, spend time answering and asking "What's your name?", "Where do you come from?", "How old are you?", "What work do you do?" and the other few often asked questions used to break the ice and start a dialogue and maybe a relationship.

Verbal Greetings

For males, the usual Thai greeting for hello is Sawa-dee-kap, if you are female the greeting is Sawa-dee-kaa. Using this greeting is appreciated by Thais in the city, or in the countryside. "How are you?" is spoken "Sabai dee mi krap (kaa for women) ?" and answered "Sabai dee krap (kaa)."

Gesture Greetings

Traditionally Thais do not shake hands, but greet each other with a "wai". This is the gesture of placing the palms together before one's face and giving a slight nod of the head. If you are greeted by a Thai adult with a wai, you should wai in response. However, Thais nowadays also shake hands, and will almost always offer a handshake to foreigners. You do not return a wai to children, but a nod. If you have something in your hands it is polite to lower your shoulders and head a bit and nod to acknowledge the wai you received. The higher the rank of the recipient the higher you hold your hands making the wai. You bow to royalty, not wai.

How to Offer a Business Card or Document

When you hand things to people, you should use either both hands, or your right hand only. Never use your left hand (this is reserved for bathroom personal hygiene). Books and other written materials are given a special status over other secular objects. You should not slide books or documents across a table or counter, and never place them on the floor. Use a chair if table space isn't available.

How to Receive a Business "Name" Card

Accepting a "name" card as Thais say is accepting a symbol of that person. Either use two hands and accept the corners closest to you while it is be presented to you, or accept it with your right hand while touching your right arm with your left hand. Then slowly place the card in front of you if you are at on the table, and leave it there until the person and you say good-bye. Do not just quickly put it in your pocket or wallet right when it is given to you.

Pointing Feet Can Represent Disrespect

Your feet are the lowest part of your body, and are considered dirty. You should never point your feet at people, or point at things with your feet, or move things with your feet. You should also not prop your feet up on chairs or tables, or touch someone's body with your foot. Never point your feet towards Monks or Buddhist images ever weather in a temple, home or office. If you are at a temple "Wat" sit mermaid style with your legs under your bottom if sitting in lotus position is uncomfortable, but never extend your feet out or show the bottoms of your feet toward religious images or people. It is also considered rude to step over someone. Always step around them, or if there is no other way to pass by, ask them to please move, even on a crowded train.

The Head is the Temple of the Body

In the same way, the head is regarded as the highest part of the body, so you should not touch adult Thais on the head, or muss their hair. If you do touch someone's by accident, you should apologize right away. Also don't sit on pillows for sleeping.

Visiting Homes

Did you fall in love and now you are going upcountry to meet the family? Well be prepared! Thais can be very hospitable and it's not unusual to be invited home for a meal or a sociable drink. Even if your visit is very brief, you will be offered something to eat or drink, and probably both. You are expected to take whatever is offered, and even if you are not hungry or thirsty or not, you should at least try it. To refuse it is considered to be impolite. As with temple buildings, you must always take off your shoes before entering a Thai home.

Bathrooms

Learning bathroom etiquette in Thailand, as in many other Southeast Asian countries, is a challenge because the squat toilet is the norm, except in hotels and guesthouses geared towards tourists and international business travelers. The bathroom may be outside in its own little building. The traditional Asian toilet sits more or less flush with the surface of the floor, with two foot-pads on either side of the opening. For those who have never used this type of toilet, it may take some getting used to. Next to the toilet is a bucket or small reservoir filled with water, and usually with a plastic bowl floating on the water, or on the floor nearby. The water and bowl has two functions. The first is for the user to scoop water from the reservoir and use it to clean them. The second function is to flush the toilet. This is because they are not mechanical flush type toilets. A few scoops should be sufficient. The next person in will appreciate your understanding of how to use the toilet! If available, do not put tissue in the toilet; put it in the bin nearby.

Shoes

Thais do not wear shoes in their homes. All temples and some guesthouses, offices and shops also request that you not wear shoes. A good rule of thumb is that if there are shoes by the door or the entrance, you need to remove your shoes before you enter. It is important not to ignore this custom as the wearing of shoes indoors is considered very ill-mannered.

[jts-khorat]

from the Phuket Gazette:

A ferry carrying 34 passengers and four crew sank yesterday afternoon, with all aboard left floating in the sea off Koh Phai until they were rescued by the Krabi Marine Police.

Krabi Provincial Police Commander Pol Maj Gen Phuwadol Vudduccanok identified the vessel as Sea Beach 2, owned by the Phi Phi Island Cabana Hotel.

While awaiting rescue, all passengers and crew remained safe in the rough water as they all had time to don life jackets kept on board before abandoning the sinking vessel.

Gen Phuwadol said that his unit received a report about 4:30 pm that a boat had sunk. Police immediately alerted the Krabi Marine Police, which dispatched five rescue vessels. Boats from the Krabi Marine Transport Department were also involved in the mission. No people were seriously injured.

[Wolfie]

Some posts have been removed from this thread. Please take any issues to PM's and/or contact a moderator via the Report function if anything needs to be discussed further.

Many thanks for your co-operation

Wolfie

Now, back on topic...

[Jet Gorgon]

I've been on maybe 6 car ferries from Donsak to Samui and back. On all of those trips, the life jackets are missing, and the few on the top deck are pathetic and old.

I've been on those ferries at least 100 times. The life jackets are in a LOCKED closet; I know because I've tried to open them every time I was on board.

In 1997, I was on the first ferry back to Samui/Phangnan, around November 15th or so. So many people at the pier. Waited so long. Finally asked and found out that only one ferry was running because the other sunk the previous day. Finally got our boat and the waves wer so <deleted> high even the Thais were freaked. Took us about 4-5 hours to reach Samui and ALL the fishermen were out in case the ferry capsized and they needed to rescue them. Pouring rain. No ferry to KPG that night, but was thankful a very kind and honest bungalow owner (now the BKK airways hotel resort) was one of the many folks at the dock. He picked us up, gave us great rooms and HOT showers for Bt200 and drove me to Haadrin Queen pier the next day.

And how about the night ferry that went down in about 1999? Captain had a lifejacket but um, nobody else did. Ton or more of goods shifted in high seas, the captain turned into a Bay instead of facing the waves and lost his ship. No flotation devices for all the people and most were asleep; many didn't even wake up until it was too late to get out. A good friend did search/rescue and search/recover on that horribly sad mission. Only captain I trusted there was the Haadrin Queen Captain. Knew every inch of his course in all weathers.

[CORVETTELOVER]

regardless of the ferry sinking foreign government respond to these happenings Australian authorities have responded immeditally

From the Australian Government

Ferry travel in Thailand can be dangerous, as vessel passenger limits are not always observed or sufficient life jackets provided. In January and February 2005, ferry accidents killed and injured a number of people, including tourists. A number of Australians were also affected when a ferry caught fire and sank in April 2007.

Travel Advice for Thailand - Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

[Supaporn]

Ferry Capsizes In Thailand, All 42 Passengers Safe

BANGKOK: -- A passenger ferry carrying 42 people capsized off southern Thailand Tuesday, but rescuers saved all the passengers, it was reported. The ferry was taking a group of local villagers to the resort island of Phi Phi when the incident occurred.

Police Col. Somphob Kantasee said, "A ferry, which had a capacity of up to 100 people, sank when a wave hit the boat during a storm."

Ferry capsizes in Thailand

BANGKOK: -- Dozens of people were missing after a boat capsized and sank Tuesday near a Thai resort island, police said.

The boat, carrying about a hundred passengers and crew, capsized after it faced strong currents and wind in the Andaman sea about 40 kilometers (24 miles) from mainland Krabi province, 650 kilometers (400 miles) south of Bangkok, said police Col. Sompob Kantasee

So which of these reports of the same incident do you suppose is factual????

Its always an adventure to read the news as reported by thais.....

It's always an adventure to read the anti-thai prejudices on thaivisa, but not a good one. Can anyone tell me what all of those negative farangs are doing in Thailand?

Well said nyles - I was thinking exactly the same thing! But you know, it's not new, racial prejudice of this type has been going on ever since the West discovered the East. Yet, if only these critics could see that their constant critcisms only really exposes their own lack of humility - if not humanity. If you notice, the main critics seem to be the beer-swilling, testosterone-charged xenophobic cranks - not your average holidaymaker or awestruck visitor - nor the world-travelled expats who have assimiated themselves into Thai culture to their own benefit as well as that of their Thai friends. Those brainless critics, whose over-riding purile wish is to attempt to impose their own questionable morals and customs onto a proud people (who need absolutely no lessons from the West on how to run their own country) are the worst possible ambassadors the West has and the sooner they are shut up the better for everyone - including themselves. The only problem with Thais as I see them - and their main weakness - is that they are, if anything, far TOO tolerant of foulmouthed farangs and their sneering comments and general rudenesses.

For those in need of elucidation of Thailand and it's people I enclose an interesting article - which we all would be better off for taking advantage of the advice contained therein. (Copyright Pappa Co Ltd.)

A Polite Society - Manners & Etiquette

Speaking from the Heart

More than 100 words and phrases in Thai language revolves around the heart. The Thai word for heart is "chai" and expressions like "chai yin yin" (let your heart cool down) are spoken politely and with concern to people who are upset, "chai lawn" (hot heart) spoken about people who are easily upset and "chai dee" a compliment to people with a good heart. [/color]Speak Politely

Even if the Words are Not Understood, Your Feelings are! Always remember you are a guest in this country, no matter how long you live here. Loud talking, using foul words and in particular the three words liar "gohoke in Thai", bullsh*t and <deleted>, make people here cringe in polite society. Remember that English is not their language. It is your language, and they are trying hard to accommodate you in speaking English because you cannot speak Thai. Lots of polite, slow moving hand gestures with a nice smile will help you communicate with almost everyone. They may not understand every word you say, but they understand your emotions when you say them so do not be trite or condescending.

Patience

Being patient is considered good manners, and will get you respect. Take your time with people, and try to understand them. Like other Asian societies, Thai culture is centered on the family unit, the pecking order and keeping "face." This means that as a foreigner, please respect your Thai hosts in all ways, no matter what their station in life might be. A Buddhist believes that their station in life may change in the next life, or may have been significantly different in a previous life, so they are tolerant and accepting of all people. When dealings with Thais go wrong, don't get angry. It won't help matters! Losing one's temper means loss of face for all concerned. Remember that you are in Asia, where self-control is most important. Thais consider talking loudly to be rude behavior in most situations.

Spending More Time Talking Gets Results

Spend time slowly and politely talking with Thais in a pleasant voice without over-explaining things. Details are not too important to Thais. Getting to the point in a slow polite way so they can help you is what is important. If you want to have a personal relationship with someone you are attracted to, spend time answering and asking "What's your name?", "Where do you come from?", "How old are you?", "What work do you do?" and the other few often asked questions used to break the ice and start a dialogue and maybe a relationship.

Verbal Greetings

For males, the usual Thai greeting for hello is Sawa-dee-kap, if you are female the greeting is Sawa-dee-kaa. Using this greeting is appreciated by Thais in the city, or in the countryside. "How are you?" is spoken "Sabai dee mi krap (kaa for women) ?" and answered "Sabai dee krap (kaa)."

Gesture Greetings

Traditionally Thais do not shake hands, but greet each other with a "wai". This is the gesture of placing the palms together before one's face and giving a slight nod of the head. If you are greeted by a Thai adult with a wai, you should wai in response. However, Thais nowadays also shake hands, and will almost always offer a handshake to foreigners. You do not return a wai to children, but a nod. If you have something in your hands it is polite to lower your shoulders and head a bit and nod to acknowledge the wai you received. The higher the rank of the recipient the higher you hold your hands making the wai. You bow to royalty, not wai.

How to Offer a Business Card or Document

When you hand things to people, you should use either both hands, or your right hand only. Never use your left hand (this is reserved for bathroom personal hygiene). Books and other written materials are given a special status over other secular objects. You should not slide books or documents across a table or counter, and never place them on the floor. Use a chair if table space isn't available.

How to Receive a Business "Name" Card

Accepting a "name" card as Thais say is accepting a symbol of that person. Either use two hands and accept the corners closest to you while it is be presented to you, or accept it with your right hand while touching your right arm with your left hand. Then slowly place the card in front of you if you are at on the table, and leave it there until the person and you say good-bye. Do not just quickly put it in your pocket or wallet right when it is given to you.

Pointing Feet Can Represent Disrespect

Your feet are the lowest part of your body, and are considered dirty. You should never point your feet at people, or point at things with your feet, or move things with your feet. You should also not prop your feet up on chairs or tables, or touch someone's body with your foot. Never point your feet towards Monks or Buddhist images ever weather in a temple, home or office. If you are at a temple "Wat" sit mermaid style with your legs under your bottom if sitting in lotus position is uncomfortable, but never extend your feet out or show the bottoms of your feet toward religious images or people. It is also considered rude to step over someone. Always step around them, or if there is no other way to pass by, ask them to please move, even on a crowded train.

The Head is the Temple of the Body

In the same way, the head is regarded as the highest part of the body, so you should not touch adult Thais on the head, or muss their hair. If you do touch someone's by accident, you should apologize right away. Also don't sit on pillows for sleeping.

Visiting Homes

Did you fall in love and now you are going upcountry to meet the family? Well be prepared! Thais can be very hospitable and it's not unusual to be invited home for a meal or a sociable drink. Even if your visit is very brief, you will be offered something to eat or drink, and probably both. You are expected to take whatever is offered, and even if you are not hungry or thirsty or not, you should at least try it. To refuse it is considered to be impolite. As with temple buildings, you must always take off your shoes before entering a Thai home.

Bathrooms

Learning bathroom etiquette in Thailand, as in many other Southeast Asian countries, is a challenge because the squat toilet is the norm, except in hotels and guesthouses geared towards tourists and international business travelers. The bathroom may be outside in its own little building. The traditional Asian toilet sits more or less flush with the surface of the floor, with two foot-pads on either side of the opening. For those who have never used this type of toilet, it may take some getting used to. Next to the toilet is a bucket or small reservoir filled with water, and usually with a plastic bowl floating on the water, or on the floor nearby. The water and bowl has two functions. The first is for the user to scoop water from the reservoir and use it to clean them. The second function is to flush the toilet. This is because they are not mechanical flush type toilets. A few scoops should be sufficient. The next person in will appreciate your understanding of how to use the toilet! If available, do not put tissue in the toilet; put it in the bin nearby.

Shoes

Thais do not wear shoes in their homes. All temples and some guesthouses, offices and shops also request that you not wear shoes. A good rule of thumb is that if there are shoes by the door or the entrance, you need to remove your shoes before you enter. It is important not to ignore this custom as the wearing of shoes indoors is considered very ill-mannered.

[Scott]

Safety is always of concern, and most are aware of lapses. The thing to keep in mind is that the sea can be a very dangerous place with sudden, unexpected and unpredicted storms and bad weather patterns.

In this case, it's good that there were no injuries.

[Bagwan]

Well said nyles - I was thinking exactly the same thing! But you know, it's not new, racial prejudice of this type has been going on ever since the West discovered the East. Yet, if only these critics could see that their constant critcisms only really exposes their own lack of humility - if not humanity. If you notice, the main critics seem to be the beer-swilling, testosterone-charged xenophobic cranks - not your average holidaymaker or awestruck visitor - nor the world-travelled expats who have assimiated themselves into Thai culture to their own benefit as well as that of their Thai friends. Those brainless critics, whose over-riding purile wish is to attempt to impose their own questionable morals and customs onto a proud people (who need absolutely no lessons from the West on how to run their own country) are the worst possible ambassadors the West has and the sooner they are shut up the better for everyone - including themselves. The only problem with Thais as I see them - and their main weakness - is that they are, if anything, far TOO tolerant of foulmouthed farangs and their sneering comments and general rudenesses.

What a curates egg of a post!

Criticising aspects of Thai life does not amount to racism. The superior attitude of many Orientals towards Westerners does. Thai racism and misplaced ideas of superiority gives rise to the arrogance that is the root cause of the problems in the southern provinces. If the hill tribes in the far north got their act together to fight injustice and maladministration in their corner of the country, Thailand could face the problem of dealing with an uprising at each end. On my visits to Cambodia and Laos I have been aware of the contempt that many hold for Thailand on account of such arrogance.

You need to understand that nothing in this world would have been improved upon unless somebody gave birth to a better conception or practice. Very often that idea was the child of a legitimate complaint. We, from the first world, are not content with mediocrity and our technological superiority and standard of living is a result of this. The majority of Thais, it seems to me, live in constant fear and have neither the originality, thought processes nor courage to stand against the status quo. It seems that everybody is scared of 'big boss' who in turn is scared of his 'big boss' and the whole thing snowballs into the oligarchy that is Thailand. Furthermore since everybody is so concerned with 'face', nobody admits to an error so locals see little point in complaining - or even suggesting better ways of doing things.

I have lived in Thailand for some time now, I have a wonderful Thai wife and rejoice in the warmth and brotherhood of my Thai family. They no longer survive on handouts and such work as they could find. No longer does their roof leak, no longer do they go to bed hungry or live hand to mouth, their medical needs are taken care of and the children are gaining the benefits of full time education. I have ensured that they will not require a calculator to perform simple arithmetic and their English vocabulary grows with time . My family acknowledge that I have done more for them than several Thai Governments. I claim to have made an investment in Thailand and accordingly demand a voice to be heard. I was born free, I grew up during a war that Britain and its allies fought at great sacrifice to guarantee freedom for myself and others. I hold that freedom dear and if a few Thais get upset when I exercise my preogative to complain or make adverse comment, then so be it.

This is not to say that there isn't plenty about Thailand that agrees with me, and other farangs, since quite obviously this is not the case. However equally obviously Thailand is not perfect and we are not blind nor inclined to obeisance. In my book the lack of criticism indicates self satisfaction and complacency and the slippery slope beckons. Perhaps you will find it within yourselves to ask the true reasons for any criticism and seek clarification and,hopefully, possible alternatives. I suggest that that is a more positive thing to do, especially for those subject to misplaced nationalistic emotional outbursts.

I have not hitherto noticed that most of the critics are beer swilling, xenophobic cranks. I venture that few of that ilk come to this board. To offer comment indicates to me a concern and a caring attitude towards Thailand whereas those you describe couldn't really give a pig's butt for the country. Their concerns centre on the price of their favourite tipple and cigarettes, the availability of a comely lass and spectacles that used to be sport but no longer are. Not too different from many Thai men maybe. The converse of love isn't hate, it is indifference. Would you prefer that we farangs become indifferent to appease your tendency to jingoism? The gross characters to whom you attribute a degree of interest in Thailand are indeed an embarressment to any sentient being and I for one would welcome their removal from the scene. Perhaps if what attracted them to Thailand were to be removed, they would move on to despoil somewhere else. I understand that Cambodia and Vietnam would welcome lots of lovely hard foreign currency.

I have to assume that you were well into your cups to write such drivel about morals and the ability to govern a country. Are you suggesting that the published results of a recently conducted survey which stated that over 60% of Thai women had admitted sleeping with men for pecuniary or career advantage was way off beam? So all elections are not rigged and subject to the bribery of ignorant peasants who wouldn't know democracy if it bit them in the butt? That the police do not practice extortion? How many governments and coups has Thailand experienced in recent years? I suggest that to echo sentiments of clean government and high moral standards in the same breath as Thailand would invite much ribaldry. As for being proud many would hold the view that Thailand can boast of some of the most beautiful women in the world, being beautiful both inside and out, and producing a handful for excellent boxers at the lighter weights. Granted Thailand exports more rice than any other country but is nowhere as efficient in growing the cereal as neighbouring countries are whose yields per acre are far higher. Hardly a success story is it?

[dumball]

Overcrowding and poorly enforced safety standards mean accidents are common, especially during the rainy season.

Overcrowding and poorly enforced safety standards add up to criminal negligence NOT accidents.

We will see when the 'factual evidence' comes in.

ONE OF THESE DAYS, Thailand will learn to implement some safety standards@!!!

Remember the Thai motto "Don't fix it 'til its broke " or dead ?

[dumball]

Well said nyles - I was thinking exactly the same thing! But you know, it's not new, racial prejudice of this type has been going on ever since the West discovered the East. Yet, if only these critics could see that their constant critcisms only really exposes their own lack of humility - if not humanity. If you notice, the main critics seem to be the beer-swilling, testosterone-charged xenophobic cranks - not your average holidaymaker or awestruck visitor - nor the world-travelled expats who have assimiated themselves into Thai culture to their own benefit as well as that of their Thai friends. Those brainless critics, whose over-riding purile wish is to attempt to impose their own questionable morals and customs onto a proud people (who need absolutely no lessons from the West on how to run their own country) are the worst possible ambassadors the West has and the sooner they are shut up the better for everyone - including themselves. The only problem with Thais as I see them - and their main weakness - is that they are, if anything, far TOO tolerant of foulmouthed farangs and their sneering comments and general rudenesses.

What a curates egg of a post!

Criticising aspects of Thai life does not amount to racism. The superior attitude of many Orientals towards Westerners does. Thai racism and misplaced ideas of superiority gives rise to the arrogance that is the root cause of the problems in the southern provinces. If the hill tribes in the far north got their act together to fight injustice and maladministration in their corner of the country, Thailand could face the problem of dealing with an uprising at each end. On my visits to Cambodia and Laos I have been aware of the contempt that many hold for Thailand on account of such arrogance.

You need to understand that nothing in this world would have been improved upon unless somebody gave birth to a better conception or practice. Very often that idea was the child of a legitimate complaint. We, from the first world, are not content with mediocrity and our technological superiority and standard of living is a result of this. The majority of Thais, it seems to me, live in constant fear and have neither the originality, thought processes nor courage to stand against the status quo. It seems that everybody is scared of 'big boss' who in turn is scared of his 'big boss' and the whole thing snowballs into the oligarchy that is Thailand. Furthermore since everybody is so concerned with 'face', nobody admits to an error so locals see little point in complaining - or even suggesting better ways of doing things.

I have lived in Thailand for some time now, I have a wonderful Thai wife and rejoice in the warmth and brotherhood of my Thai family. They no longer survive on handouts and such work as they could find. No longer does their roof leak, no longer do they go to bed hungry or live hand to mouth, their medical needs are taken care of and the children are gaining the benefits of full time education. I have ensured that they will not require a calculator to perform simple arithmetic and their English vocabulary grows with time . My family acknowledge that I have done more for them than several Thai Governments. I claim to have made an investment in Thailand and accordingly demand a voice to be heard. I was born free, I grew up during a war that Britain and its allies fought at great sacrifice to guarantee freedom for myself and others. I hold that freedom dear and if a few Thais get upset when I exercise my preogative to complain or make adverse comment, then so be it.

This is not to say that there isn't plenty about Thailand that agrees with me, and other farangs, since quite obviously this is not the case. However equally obviously Thailand is not perfect and we are not blind nor inclined to obeisance. In my book the lack of criticism indicates self satisfaction and complacency and the slippery slope beckons. Perhaps you will find it within yourselves to ask the true reasons for any criticism and seek clarification and,hopefully, possible alternatives. I suggest that that is a more positive thing to do, especially for those subject to misplaced nationalistic emotional outbursts.

I have not hitherto noticed that most of the critics are beer swilling, xenophobic cranks. I venture that few of that ilk come to this board. To offer comment indicates to me a concern and a caring attitude towards Thailand whereas those you describe couldn't really give a pig's butt for the country. Their concerns centre on the price of their favourite tipple and cigarettes, the availability of a comely lass and spectacles that used to be sport but no longer are. Not too different from many Thai men maybe. The converse of love isn't hate, it is indifference. Would you prefer that we farangs become indifferent to appease your tendency to jingoism? The gross characters to whom you attribute a degree of interest in Thailand are indeed an embarressment to any sentient being and I for one would welcome their removal from the scene. Perhaps if what attracted them to Thailand were to be removed, they would move on to despoil somewhere else. I understand that Cambodia and Vietnam would welcome lots of lovely hard foreign currency.

I have to assume that you were well into your cups to write such drivel about morals and the ability to govern a country. Are you suggesting that the published results of a recently conducted survey which stated that over 60% of Thai women had admitted sleeping with men for pecuniary or career advantage was way off beam? So all elections are not rigged and subject to the bribery of ignorant peasants who wouldn't know democracy if it bit them in the butt? That the police do not practice extortion? How many governments and coups has Thailand experienced in recent years? I suggest that to echo sentiments of clean government and high moral standards in the same breath as Thailand would invite much ribaldry. As for being proud many would hold the view that Thailand can boast of some of the most beautiful women in the world, being beautiful both inside and out, and producing a handful for excellent boxers at the lighter weights. Granted Thailand exports more rice than any other country but is nowhere as efficient in growing the cereal as neighbouring countries are whose yields per acre are far higher. Hardly a success story is it?

Well said Bagwan , most countries of the world are probably criticised in a similar manner , the best customers a buisiness has are those that complain ( criticise ) because it gives the owner (government ) the chance to rectify that which could be putting the buisiness at a dissadvantage . How many expats/tourists have changed thier venue to countries like Cambodia etc due to the attitude of the Thai buisness consortium , hey , even huge super-markets are going elsewhere because of this "I know "attitude . Everybody has the right to complain about poor service or shoddy goods etc , even if he should have been the odd one that has consumed alcohol , who sold him the alcohol in the first place and for what purpose ? So the Thai learn English to placate us , i learned it was to tell us 100 Baht was not enough , but then , i only put up with them ripping me off for 7 years before i quit , even down to my travel bags as well as the fridge and micro . Please do not quote the better rules of Thai behavior , i try to do as the Romans do and rest assured , your spouted etiquete comes nowhere close to even decent behavior in many instances .

[dumball]

Bad weather forced a boat from Krabi to Phi Phi Island to capsize yesterday evening but all passengers and crew were rescued, while tourists on another boat from Phuket were brought back due to safety fears.

<p> The first incident occurred at around 5 pm yesterday when Krabi Marine Office was notified that a passenger boat capsized near Pai island in Ao Nang sub-district of Krabi. After receiving the report, all responsible agencies including over 5 boats rushed to the scene. The rescue team found all 36 passengers were floating in the water with life jackets on and they all were brought back to shore safely with no one seriously injured. Some are famous local businessmen. The group was reported to be going for a merit making ceremony and planned to stay over night in Phi Phi island. The boat left Krabi's Klong Jilad pier where they were brought back to. During a live phone interview with Channel 11 Krabi Governor Siwa Sirisaowaluck said he had instructed all piers or ports not to allow tourist or passengers boats plus small boats to go out to sea during the bad weather; and asks business operators not to take risks during bad storms; and that they carefully check weather conditions before making any sea journey.

Meanwhile on the same day, Phuket Marine police rushed out to assist a speed boat carrying 12 Chinese tourists with 4 Thai nationals on board. The boat requested assistance after they departed Phi Phi Island en route back to Phuket and faced heavy storms, forcing them to seek shelter at Green Island. Being a small boat with one of the passengers having a heart problem, the crew decided to seek assistance in fear of harming the tourist passenger. All passengers were brought back safely to Rassada port in Phuket despite difficult operations due to high waves.

Draft of text to be broadcast on Andaman News TV11 (VHF dial) 8.30am + FM90.5 Radio Thailand 6pm, both broadcast from Phuket City to Phang Nga, Krabi & Phuket provinces, Mazz Radio FM108 at 7.30pm in Phuket & maybe later on Phuket Cable TV Channel 1, Wednesday 22 August 2007 & www.Thaisnews.com

Did channel 11 ask any of these owner/operators at an time if they considered profits above safety when there was a notification of dangerous seas ? Where was the police control on the docks at the time of departure ?

[jts-khorat]

Criticising aspects of Thai life does not amount to racism.

Very right, Bagwan, and nobody says different here. I am on the forefront if criticism is warranted and I am not quiet if I think there is an issue (as there really often is!).

However, in this specific case, the security on Samui ferries was automatically thought to be relevant to the security on ferries here in Krabi. This is simply not true (and I mentioned myself that I have no idea how the situation is in Samui, it might be true and then it should be criticized, of course, and in the right context).

It seems to be a good thing to notice that not all is bad in this country, that progress is made and such even sometimes without input from us foreigners. It is a fact that you will not go on a local ferry without precautions and operators will face problems if they neglect security; not to say it never happens, but hard work was done to ensure safety of tourists at least.

Just to bring this discussion back on topic and a little bit back on the ground; a good number of poeple seem to have gotten hit on their toes without intention. This is not about Thailand and Thai culture in general or how Farang should voice their general ideas, it is about a tiny, isolated accident right here "around the corner" of where I live.

Jai yen yen... :-)