14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm really asking.

A lot of Canadians feel they are already at war with the U.S.

They know it's a Trump thing and most Americans woudn't support it but he is the kegally elected grand poobah mafia boss of the USA outfit.

So if this breaks out into something more real, I already know I will support CANADA over my own country.

I see this as Canada against Trump and I consider Trump a traitor to most everything good and decent about real American values.

But technically, wouldn't that make me and others traitors?

I wouldn't relish being a traitor but somehow that seems better than supporting Trump in TOTALLY EVIL MADNESS.

Traitor for the government, yes, but honestly, who with with their common sense would let Usa and the Government go down that road? There is a election coming in November, time to stop this lunatic

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There is no likelihood of a war between the USA and Canada

Never say never, Canada will remain in Nato, while Usa exits, and Usa is the Traitors on the alliance as we see it now.

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm really asking.

A lot of Canadians feel they are already at war with the U.S.

They know it's a Trump thing and most Americans woudn't support it but he is the kegally elected grand poobah mafia boss of the USA outfit.

So if this breaks out into something more real, I already know I will support CANADA over my own country.

I see this as Canada against Trump and I consider Trump a traitor to most everything good and decent about real American values.

But technically, wouldn't that make me and others traitors?

I wouldn't relish being a traitor but somehow that seems better than supporting Trump in TOTALLY EVIL MADNESS.

Can't wait for Trump to start evicting all the American traitors too, it will be pleasing to see.

Normal Americans don't care about canada, why should they ?

4 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Can't wait for Trump to start evicting all the American traitors too, it will be pleasing to see.

Normal Americans don't care about canada, why should they ?

Great hunting and fishing?

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Great hunting and fishing?

They don't have anything new so no, not at all

11 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

They don't have anything new so no, not at all

11 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

I would go there every year if i could, as the fishing and hunting are limitless. Just the cost that makes it hard.

It's fun watching Carney outsmart Trump at every single juncture. Carney is in a very smart man and Trump is about as dim and ignorant as they come. A true fake patriot, engaging in massive destruction to the homeland.

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has said that after decades of partnership with the United States, close economic ties between the two countries have become a “weakness” that must be corrected.

Carney gave remarks on Canada’s relationship with the US in a 10-minute video on Sunday, in which he signalled that Canada must move away from excessive reliance on any one country.

“The world is more dangerous and divided,” Carney said. “The US has fundamentally changed its approach to trade, raising its tariffs to levels last seen during the Great Depression.”

“Many of our former strengths, based on our close ties to America, have become weaknesses,” he added. “Weaknesses that we must correct.”

The comments are the latest from Carney to signal the shifting nature of US-Canada relations after decades of economic integration, as threats of higher tariffs from US President Donald Trump upend trade ties with foes and allies worldwide.

Trump has backed down repeatedly, and continues to TACO daily. Many tariffs have been rolled back, yet the Canadian leader has sought closer economic ties with countries such as China to reduce Canada’s dependence on the US.

“We have to take care of ourselves because we can’t rely on one foreign partner,” Carney said on Sunday. “We can’t control the disruption coming from our neighbours. We can’t control our future on the hope it will suddenly stop.

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13 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

72% of exports go to USA.

And getting smaller as the clock ticks.

1 hour ago, Slowhand225 said:

Can't wait for Trump to start evicting all the American traitors too, it will be pleasing to see.

Normal Americans don't care about canada, why should they ?

Normal Germans didn't care about Poland.

Canada's per-capita GDP peaked in 2022 and is less now, than it was in 2022.

The USA's per-capita GDP is over 12% higher now than it was in 2022

The USA's per-capita GDP is almost 60% higher than Canada's

Great job!

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Never say never, Canada will remain in Nato, while Usa exits, and Usa is the Traitors on the alliance as we see it now.

The likelihood of the USA leaving NATO is nil. It requires an Act of Congress, or a Senate vote, neither of which is possible at this time.

Declaring the USA a traitor to the alliance is hysterical idiocy. The USA continues to honour its obligations and is exceeding its budget parameters. Direct your anger at countries like Spain and Portugal who contribute relatively little, or Germany, which rode the coat tails of the USA military protection for decades.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

The likelihood of the USA leaving NATO is nil. It requires an Act of Congress, or a Senate vote, neither of which is possible at this time.

Declaring the USA a traitor to the alliance is hysterical idiocy. The USA continues to honour its obligations and is exceeding its budget parameters. Direct your anger at countries like Spain and Portugal who contribute relatively little, or Germany, which rode the coat tails of the USA military protection for decades.

I see you are among of those who do not understand what Nato is all about!

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

And getting smaller as the clock ticks.

71% next year 555

Carney has not outsmarted anyone. He is a juggler who has made many promises, but not delivered yet. Instead, he is offering more social subsidies, increasing national debt and increasing the tax burden of the 25% of Canadians who carry the tax burden. In effect, buying votes. Canada still has not removed internal trade barriers and is still intertwined with the US economy with 3/4 of its trade with the USA.

The USA still needs Canada, despite the stupid comments that come from Lutnick and others. Canada is the USA's most important trading partner.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

It's fun watching Carney outsmart Trump at every single juncture. Carney is in a very smart man and Trump is about as dim and ignorant as they come. A true fake patriot, engaging in massive destruction to the homeland.

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has said that after decades of partnership with the United States, close economic ties between the two countries have become a “weakness” that must be corrected.

Carney gave remarks on Canada’s relationship with the US in a 10-minute video on Sunday, in which he signalled that Canada must move away from excessive reliance on any one country.

“The world is more dangerous and divided,” Carney said. “The US has fundamentally changed its approach to trade, raising its tariffs to levels last seen during the Great Depression.”

“Many of our former strengths, based on our close ties to America, have become weaknesses,” he added. “Weaknesses that we must correct.”

The comments are the latest from Carney to signal the shifting nature of US-Canada relations after decades of economic integration, as threats of higher tariffs from US President Donald Trump upend trade ties with foes and allies worldwide.

Trump has backed down repeatedly, and continues to TACO daily. Many tariffs have been rolled back, yet the Canadian leader has sought closer economic ties with countries such as China to reduce Canada’s dependence on the US.

“We have to take care of ourselves because we can’t rely on one foreign partner,” Carney said on Sunday. “We can’t control the disruption coming from our neighbours. We can’t control our future on the hope it will suddenly stop.

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Carney seems liked scum to me. He's probably the fake patriot! You can research it if you want or save the trouble here:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/canada/canada-turns-against-its-lifeline-while-its-leader-invests-in-it/

3 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

71% next year 555

66% in 5 years ? So that's 6% more to other nations not an overall drop in exports.

US imports correct me if I am wrong:

Cheap aluminum - Gone

Cheap-Fertilizer- Gone

Cheap construction Lumber - Gone

Cheap auto parts - Gone

Cheap electricity - Gone

Canada was happy to sell the US stuff and below world market prices because it was easier. US could have continued because it was easier but...

Yes the US is the real winner?

39 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The likelihood of the USA leaving NATO is nil. It requires an Act of Congress, or a Senate vote, neither of which is possible at this time.

Declaring the USA a traitor to the alliance is hysterical idiocy. The USA continues to honour its obligations and is exceeding its budget parameters. Direct your anger at countries like Spain and Portugal who contribute relatively little, or Germany, which rode the coat tails of the USA military protection for decades.

Even if we can't leave, we can and should slow roll them. Stop paying, stop participating.
Not a single thing could be done about it.

21 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

66% in 5 years ? So that's 6% more to other nations not an overall drop in exports.

US imports correct me if I am wrong:

Cheap aluminum - Gone

Cheap-Fertilizer- Gone

Cheap construction Lumber - Gone

Cheap auto parts - Gone

Cheap electricity - Gone

Canada was happy to sell the US stuff and below world market prices because it was easier. US could have continued because it was easier but...

Yes the US is the real winner?

So lets break that down a little, its easy.

Cheap aluminum - Gone. We have 4 smelters at the moment and another thats opening.

Cheap-Fertilizer- Gone. You need to be more specific than that, theres probably 2K fertilizer manufacturers in America.

Cheap construction Lumber - Gone This is easy, we have thousands 1-2 at least lumber plants in America. We have even more on the West coast that can be restarted easily.
As of now, we load Japanese ships in our ports, they go to international waters and mill it, load it back on the same ship and then sail to our ports to sell it back to us. Pretty retarded and we can thank the sierra club for that stupidity.
Stop doing that and its a non issue.

Cheap auto parts - Gone Explain exactly what you mean because what I think you're trying to say happened, didn't.

Cheap electricity - Gone. This is just an uninformed stab in the dark. Unless of course you know something nobody else does.
I'd love to hear it.

17 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

I'd love to hear it.

17 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Cheap aluminum - Gone. We have 4 smelters at the moment and another thats opening.

US has 4 operating smelters or rather 3 1/2 as one is operating at 50%

US capacity 735,000 tons p.a.

Canada 3,127,000 tons p.a. From 9 smelters,. It is the abundance of hydropower which make this possible.

19 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Cheap-Fertilizer- Gone. You need to be more specific than that, theres probably 2K fertilizer manufacturers in America.

The largest potash reserve in the world is in Canada. US produces about 480,000 ton p.a. Canada ships 23 million ton p.a.

19 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Cheap electricity - Gone. This is just an uninformed stab in the dark. Unless of course you know something nobody else does.

Ontario power to 1.5 million in the North West increases by 25%. OK not the whole US but...

So not all uninformed stabs. I can't be assed to bother with the others but...

11 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

US has 4 operating smelters or rather 3 1/2 as one is operating at 50%

US capacity 735,000 tons p.a.

Canada 3,127,000 tons p.a. From 9 smelters,. It is the abundance of hydropower which make this possible.

The largest potash reserve in the world is in Canada. US produces about 480,000 ton p.a. Canada ships 23 million ton p.a.

Ontario power to 1.5 million in the North West increases by 25%. OK not the whole US but...

So not all uninformed stabs. I can't be assed to bother with the others but...

Of course you can't be bothered, you're wrong.

25% thats used on the East Coast, honestly, body in the rest of America cares. about them much BUT, that power from canada is replaceable.

Potash is also easily replaced from other sources. You act like they're the only game in town, hardly. We bought from them because it was convenient. Now, they are not so, we'll move on and spend our money somewhere else

11 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Of course you can't be bothered, you're wrong.

Your turn to prove it? I know you can't because.

Of course the potash importation was as you say convenient. So now you guys can import from somewhere that is so convenient and therefore more expensive. Duh. Hold my Duff beer and watch this...

14 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

that power from canada is replaceable.

Apparently the us grid system is not designed for that yet. So yet more expense...

18 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There is no likelihood of a war between the USA and Canada.

There's a much higher chance of a war between Alberta and Ottawa.

I'm too old to volunteer (and a Yank to boot), but I'd be cheering for Calgary in that one.

On an aside, I'd still be in favor of a swap, Alberta and BC for New England.

18 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Canada is defenseless and helpless without us...

I don't question the bravery of Canucks, but when you have all that land and all those resources and just 37 million population, you're inviting an invasion from someone casting greedy eyes.

Unless you have a powerful friend to protect you... And the EU isn't gonna hack it. They can't even protect themselves. (And it took a Trump to wake the world to that fact)

It's just the way the numbers work out.

7 hours ago, Hummin said:

I see you are among of those who do not understand what Nato is all about!

Please, what is NATO all about?

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Please, what is NATO all about?

The US spends money to protect Europe from the pathetic Russians so they can have the summers off from work and can disrespect their daddy daily.

The good thing is that it stops them from killing each other. Thats what they do best

4 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

66% in 5 years ? So that's 6% more to other nations not an overall drop in exports.

US imports correct me if I am wrong:

Cheap aluminum - Gone

Cheap-Fertilizer- Gone

Cheap construction Lumber - Gone

Cheap auto parts - Gone

Cheap electricity - Gone

Canada was happy to sell the US stuff and below world market prices because it was easier. US could have continued because it was easier but...

Yes the US is the real winner?

Canada would collapse without 2/3s of those exports 5555

Lit

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The US spends money to protect Europe from the pathetic Russians so they can have the summers off from work and can disrespect their daddy daily.

The good thing is that it stops them from killing each other. Thats what they do best

Little Russia is the nickname of Jomtien. But there's lots of Brits and gays there too.

6 hours ago, impulse said:

There's a much higher chance of a war between Alberta and Ottawa.

I'm too old to volunteer (and a Yank to boot), but I'd be cheering for Calgary in that one.

On an aside, I'd still be in favor of a swap, Alberta and BC for New England.

There is no chance of "war" between Alberta and the rest of Canada. The separatist movement has limited support, perhaps 15%, and is a reflection of extremist right wing positions. The current provincial government is flailing about and encouraging these sentiments as it tries to keep support. Albertans remain loyal Canadians.

5 hours ago, impulse said:

I don't question the bravery of Canucks, but when you have all that land and all those resources and just 37 million population, you're inviting an invasion from someone casting greedy eyes.

Unless you have a powerful friend to protect you... And the EU isn't gonna hack it. They can't even protect themselves. (And it took a Trump to wake the world to that fact)

It's just the way the numbers work out.

No need to invade when most of Canada's resources are foreign owned or in the hands of a few large companies/families. Canadians talk a good talk , but will sell their land and resources to whoever offers them some dosh. Look at who owns the oil, minerals manufacturing etc.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Please, what is NATO all about?

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

The US spends money to protect Europe from the pathetic Russians so they can have the summers off from work and can disrespect their daddy daily.

The good thing is that it stops them from killing each other. Thats what they do best

I am sorry, but once again this seems to be a mandatory lesson for some of you MAGAs.

It is honestly sad to watch Donald Trump let so much down after everything allies have contributed, and at the same time spit on the standing and reputation of NATO.

The truth is simple. NATO is first and foremost a defensive alliance. The whole point is that if one member is attacked, the others support it. That is deterrence, stability, and protection. Not aggression.

And NATO does not only protect Europe. It protects US interests on a far bigger scale as well. The US gets reach, influence, forward bases, intelligence, logistics, stable trade partners, and trusted allies across a huge strategic area. That is not some minor detail. That is a massive strategic advantage.

So no, the rest of us are not just dead weight. We contribute land for bases, military capability, intelligence, trade, technology, infrastructure, and we share the costs. That gives the US a network it would otherwise have to maintain with far more pressure, expense, and risk.

What Trump and MAGA get wrong is reducing NATO to a simple money question. An alliance is not just about who pays the biggest bill. It is about what the whole structure gives back.

And yes, the irony is hard to miss. The US would not be what it is without Europe. Most of you are European by origin anyway, apart from the people you like to forget were there first. So maybe a little less arrogance and a little more historical perspective would help.

In historical terms, this is the stronger model: countries taking part voluntarily because it serves mutual security and economic interests, not because they are forced into it.

1 hour ago, Rockyroad said:

Canada would collapse without 2/3s of those exports 5555

Lit

Little Russia is the nickname of Jomtien. But there's lots of Brits and gays there too.

Whatch the world moves forward, and thats going to be without Usa. Canada and every other european country is teaming up, making new deals, and have new projects out of usa hands. And as the australian you are, who are Australia teaming up with ?

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I am sorry, but once again this seems to be a mandatory lesson for some of you MAGAs.

It is honestly sad to watch Donald Trump let so much down after everything allies have contributed, and at the same time spit on the standing and reputation of NATO.

The truth is simple. NATO is first and foremost a defensive alliance. The whole point is that if one member is attacked, the others support it. That is deterrence, stability, and protection. Not aggression.

And NATO does not only protect Europe. It protects US interests on a far bigger scale as well. The US gets reach, influence, forward bases, intelligence, logistics, stable trade partners, and trusted allies across a huge strategic area. That is not some minor detail. That is a massive strategic advantage.

So no, the rest of us are not just dead weight. We contribute land for bases, military capability, intelligence, trade, technology, infrastructure, and we share the costs. That gives the US a network it would otherwise have to maintain with far more pressure, expense, and risk.

What Trump and MAGA get wrong is reducing NATO to a simple money question. An alliance is not just about who pays the biggest bill. It is about what the whole structure gives back.

And yes, the irony is hard to miss. The US would not be what it is without Europe. Most of you are European by origin anyway, apart from the people you like to forget were there first. So maybe a little less arrogance and a little more historical perspective would help.

In historical terms, this is the stronger model: countries taking part voluntarily because it serves mutual security and economic interests, not because they are forced into it.

Do you think the spending is unimportant?

Do you think members that go year after year not meeting their monetary commitment should just be given a pass?