3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, and hops, flours (unrefined), and sugar cane are all okay to eat. Tobacco isn't in any forms and cannabis in edibles aren't that bad but aren't considered healthy.

Who EATS sugar cane? Cannabis oil mixed with turmeric, lemon juice and apple cider vinegar work wonders to stop my nocturnal peeing.

5 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

The rice part is simply not true. Asia has been eating it for centuries as a main staple with little to no bad effects. When the western diet came along it changed things for them, specifically heart disease , cancers and obesity.

The Adkins Diet
Dr. Adkins was the first to track and document this, he's got a book on it, worth the read.

Rice itself isn't a problem here, but as you said, eating all the western foods, along with rice at every meal, doesn't help their cause. My ex's family, most of therm, have diabetes like I just mentioned, and they're usually eating just rice, fish, some chicken, mushrooms, bamboo and other veggies and fruits. Big time genetics in their family, so they should have been educated on what to eat, although that would never happen here.

2 hours ago, marin said:

My health is very good. Rice and noodles are very poor foods to eat. Not much protein and will shorten your life.

Then why a month ago when you were posting as Khaosokman were you posting about all the delicious Thai foods you eat? I distinctly recall you going on about Gang Hang Le, Pad Krapow, Khao soi, and Penang or Keo wan curry. As I recall all those foods are eaten with rice or noodles.

Try to keep your stories straight. How much do those dishes cost in Australia and dont they eat them with rice or noodles also?

5 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

Who EATS sugar cane?. Cannabis oil mixed with turmeric, lemon juice and apple cider vinegar work wonders to stop my nocturnal peeing.

7 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

It's a big money crop here, and they use it in snacks. I use Turmeric Curcumin daily for gut health, and Apple Cider Vinegar any time I can. Never tried cannabis oil, but did smoke hash oil in bygone days.

9 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

Noakes is anti carbs above 25%.

High Glycemic Load and Carb Density

Noakes points out that oats are significantly more carbohydrate-dense than many people realize.

• The 25g Rule: In the Banting framework, "Orange List" foods (to be eaten in moderation) generally have a cutoff of 25g of carbs per 100g.

• The Reality: Oats contain approximately 57g of carbohydrates per 100g, which is more than double the allowed threshold for a low-carb lifestyle.

• Insulin Spikes: Even though oats have a lower glycemic index (GI) than sugary cereals, Noakes argues they still cause a significant glucose and insulin spike. For those with insulin resistance or Type 2 Diabetes, this spike can hinder fat burning and exacerbate metabolic issues.

2. Presence of Anti-Nutrients

The Noakes Foundation highlights the presence of phytates and avenin in oats:

• Phytates: These are "anti-nutrients" that can bind to minerals like calcium, magnesium, and zinc, preventing their absorption in the gut.

• Avenin: This is a protein in oats similar to gluten. Noakes suggests that for individuals with gut dysbiosis or autoimmune conditions, avenin can cause cross-reactivity and inflammation similar to wheat.

20 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Rice itself isn't a problem here, but as you said, eating all the western foods, along with rice at every meal, doesn't help their cause. My ex's family, most of therm, have diabetes like I just mentioned, and they're usually eating just rice, fish, some chicken, mushrooms, bamboo and other veggies and fruits. Big time genetics in their family, so they should have been educated on what to eat, although that would never happen here.

Why do you class fish, some chicken, mushrooms, (no pork?) bamboo and other veg & fruit as ''all the Western food''?

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's a big money crop here, and they use it in snacks. I use Turmeric Curcumin daily for gut health, and Apple Cider Vinegar any time I can. Never tried cannabis oil, but did smoke hash oil in bygone days.

What's the difference between Cannabis and Hash oil. And Smoke it?

Try the mixture I posted earlier.

13 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Noakes is anti carbs above 25%.

High Glycemic Load and Carb Density

Noakes points out that oats are significantly more carbohydrate-dense than many people realize.

• The 25g Rule: In the Banting framework, "Orange List" foods (to be eaten in moderation) generally have a cutoff of 25g of carbs per 100g.

• The Reality: Oats contain approximately 57g of carbohydrates per 100g, which is more than double the allowed threshold for a low-carb lifestyle.

• Insulin Spikes: Even though oats have a lower glycemic index (GI) than sugary cereals, Noakes argues they still cause a significant glucose and insulin spike. For those with insulin resistance or Type 2 Diabetes, this spike can hinder fat burning and exacerbate metabolic issues.

2. Presence of Anti-Nutrients

The Noakes Foundation highlights the presence of phytates and avenin in oats:

• Phytates: These are "anti-nutrients" that can bind to minerals like calcium, magnesium, and zinc, preventing their absorption in the gut.

• Avenin: This is a protein in oats similar to gluten. Noakes suggests that for individuals with gut dysbiosis or autoimmune conditions, avenin can cause cross-reactivity and inflammation similar to wheat.

Like I said, I'll never take nutrition advice from someone who trains in long distance running and thinks high carbs are a problem, which they aren't if from unrefined sources. Oats are one of the best grains you can eat, along with rice, it being the least allergenic, and I've eaten both all my life in quantity. My family is susceptible to diabetes but I've never come close, and my blood sugar is always in the 80's range.This source is about the best online..........https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10459712/

5 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

Why do you class fish, some chicken, mushrooms, (no pork?) bamboo and other veg & fruit as ''all the Western food''?

No, that's the foods they eat, almost no western. I was also replying to another about the high western foods, along with daily rice diets of many here.

Insulin Spike

Drives potassium from blood into muscle/liver cells.

Edited April 27Apr 27 by Rockyroad

5 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

What's the difference between Cannabis and Hash oil. And Smoke it?

Try the mixture I posted earlier.

Hash oil is just much stronger. Yes, we smoked it in the past, and it was kick-arse.

Makes sense now. Carbs around exercise but low carb otherwise lower potassium in blood raises bp.

So you should keep carbs low except for 30 minutes before and after exercise. Extra carbs drives protein and minerals into muscle cells.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, that's the foods they eat, almost no western. I was also replying to another about the high western foods, along with daily rice diets of many here.

So you do not class fish, chicken, pork, fruit & veg as Western?

1 minute ago, wil iam not said:

So you do not class fish, chicken, pork, fruit & veg as Western?

Yes, they're worldwide. Different cultures, different ways of preparation.

4 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Makes sense now. Carbs around exercise but low carb otherwise lower potassium in blood raises bp.

So you should keep carbs low except for 30 minutes before and after exercise. Extra carbs drives protein and minerals into muscle cells.

The guy who just did sub-2 hour marathon ate the equivalent of 230 wholemeal biscuits during the race.

5 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Makes sense now. Carbs around exercise but low carb otherwise lower potassium in blood raises bp.

So you should keep carbs low except for 30 minutes before and after exercise. Extra carbs drives protein and minerals into muscle cells.

Fruit as carbs are good right before a workout, and most of your energy comes from stored glycogen from carb eating a day or two before. Many long distance runners eat a lot of pasta the day before a marathon.

Edited April 27Apr 27 by fredwiggy

After reading AI and Noakes I think he's mostly right except high carb at exercise time. Otherwise your blood gets drained of nutrients and harms the kidneys and heart.

4 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

The guy who just did sub-2 hour marathon ate the equivalent of 230 wholemeal biscuits during the race.

He is 31yo. His body could be wrecked by age 70. Let's wait and see.

Carbs drive nutrients into muscle cells via higher insulin levels which is great for exercise but do that daily you may well be killing yourself.

41 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

High Glycemic Load and Carb Density

Noakes points out that oats are significantly more carbohydrate-dense than many people realize.

• The 25g Rule: In the Banting framework, "Orange List" foods (to be eaten in moderation) generally have a cutoff of 25g of carbs per 100g.

• The Reality: Oats contain approximately 57g of carbohydrates per 100g, which is more than double the allowed threshold for a low-carb lifestyle.

• Insulin Spikes: Even though oats have a lower glycemic index (GI) than sugary cereals, Noakes argues they still cause a significant glucose and insulin spike. For those with insulin resistance or Type 2 Diabetes, this spike can hinder fat burning and exacerbate metabolic issues.

2. Presence of Anti-Nutrients

The Noakes Foundation highlights the presence of phytates and avenin in oats:

• Phytates: These are "anti-nutrients" that can bind to minerals like calcium, magnesium, and zinc, preventing their absorption in the gut.

• Avenin: This is a protein in oats similar to gluten. Noakes suggests that for individuals with gut dysbiosis or autoimmune conditions, avenin can cause cross-reactivity and inflammation similar to wheat.

80% of your posts are AI or googled. Why not trying to make an argument in your own words. I really do have to ask is this you and do you follow this creedo?

8 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

He is 31yo. His body could be wrecked by age 70. Let's wait and see.

Carbs drive nutrients into muscle cells via higher insulin levels which is great for exercise but do that daily you may well be killing yourself.

You should have read further in that AI, as it says this, .......This mechanism, particularly potent after exercise, stimulates muscle protein synthesis, repairs tissue, and replenishes glycogen stores, facilitating muscle growth and recovery. 

Which is how muscle grows and maintaining muscle as long as you can is the best thing you can do as you age, protecting joints and preventing injuries. Not eating enough carbs depletes your body of not only nutrients, but has protein as an energy source, when it's better suited for muscle growth and cell repair.

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10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You should have read further in that AI, as it says this, .......This mechanism, particularly potent after exercise, stimulates muscle protein synthesis, repairs tissue, and replenishes glycogen stores, facilitating muscle growth and recovery. 

Which is how muscle grows and maintaining muscle as long as you can is the best thing you can do as you age, protecting joints and preventing injuries. Not eating enough carbs depletes your body of not only nutrients, but has protein as an energy source, when it's better suited for muscle growth and cell repair.

Yes I read that before. Insulin drives amino acids into the cells. AI says eat at least 30g of protein after weights combined with carbs within 2 hours. After heavy training 50g be better. Creatine during exercise helps a lot as it quickly depletes.

25 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Yes I read that before. Insulin drives amino acids into the cells. AI says eat at least 30g of protein after weights combined with carbs within 2 hours. After heavy training 50g be better. Creatine during exercise helps a lot as it quickly depletes.

After weights? What if one does not do such exercise?

A big Mac contains 25 gms of protein, 34 of fat, and 46 gms of carbs. So two of them should be OK after your heavy training.

Edited April 27Apr 27 by wil iam not

Artificial sweeteners give me terrible gas. Yesterday at a Muslim cafe my espresso was intensely sweet and my wife and I could barely drink it, but I didn't consider that they would use anything but sugar.

Thirty minutes later at Tops it worked its way through me, but I still didn't know I had consumed something artificial, and I did what I had to do in an empty aisle. Normally this is unnoticeable, but with aspartame or whatever they use it's heavily different. A Thai shelf-stocker sadly entered the aisle. I got away quickly but I could still hear his "ooof".

Restaurants need to disclose what kind of sweetener they use.

1 hour ago, wil iam not said:

After weights? What if one does not do such exercise?

A big Mac contains 25 gms of protein, 34 of fat, and 46 gms of carbs. So two of them should be OK after your heavy training.

Don't like them. Awful burgers.

46 minutes ago, davb said:

Artificial sweeteners give me terrible gas. Yesterday at a Muslim cafe my espresso was intensely sweet and my wife and I could barely drink it, but I didn't consider that they would use anything but sugar.

Thirty minutes later at Tops it worked its way through me, but I still didn't know I had consumed something artificial, and I did what I had to do in an empty aisle. Normally this is unnoticeable, but with aspartame or whatever they use it's heavily different. A Thai shelf-stocker sadly entered the aisle. I got away quickly but I could still hear his "ooof".

Restaurants need to disclose what kind of sweetener they use.

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20 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Don't like them. Awful burgers.

Obviously Rocky, you do not understand English sarcasm.

4 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

Obviously Rocky, you do not understand English sarcasm.

You could eat two burgers after a big workout. I would choose two nice burgers not rubbish like Big Macs.

A diet should make you feel good and not cause health issues.

But burgers themselves are not bad in themselves. Bread is no worse than rice. Meat, salad and sauce. The sauce is the worst ingredient.

A standard Big Mac with the signature sauce removed contains approximately 460 calories. The sauce has 90 cals.

One hour muay thai burns 1000 calories. So if you did 1.5 hours then ate two Big Macs no sauce that would be totally fine and the bread carbs are better than the sauce.

1134 calories in 200g of peanuts. 3 slices of pizza is 900 calories.

280/390 quarter chicken with no skin or skin.

Chicken would be best no skin with a coconut water. The potassium in the water will increase blood flow to muscle cells.

Edited April 27Apr 27 by Rockyroad

8 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Sodium is essential for good health. Vegemite tastes great. Packed with B vitamins too. You must be a pom.

Hey!! We have our Marmite.