Its called Waste-Fraud- and Abuse. Its Get busy workin time, instead of being reliant on the Govt.

"VP JD Vance’s Task Force: 200,000 Dead People on SNAP".

"The report sites People collecting food Stamps driving Luxury cars".

These efforts have already helped remove approximately 4.3 million people from the program, redirecting taxpayer monies to those who truly need them while strengthening eligibility checks, closing loopholes, and promoting work & self sufficiency.

The USDA head said they are goin after the retailers too.

The story is based on a Fox Business report.

Edited May 7May 7 by riclag

I agree. They should also look for Americans using similar scams while living in Thailand

Social programs are the least of the Govt waste. When the Pentagon can misplace trillions, seems to never be able to pass an audit, and nobody is accountable, you got a wee bit of a problem.

When NASA has 3X the budget of Space X, but Space X has to rescue the astronauts from the ISS, I'd say a few funds are wasted.

I'd be all for some aspects of the USA services being 'socialized' and some industries being 'nationalized', but govt seems to ruin everything they touch. Social Security & Medicare are 2 prime examples of total Govt failures.

They can't even run two simple programs, that probably directly affect 1/3 of the population, if not more.

The funds wasted on defense & NASA would probably pay for both. Why so many people hate paying taxes.

Edited May 8May 8 by KhunLA

9 hours ago, Celsius said:

I agree. They should also look for Americans using similar scams while living in Thailand

What would you know or care? Aren't you a refugee from the Balkans living in Canada?

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

What would you know or care? Aren't you a refugee from the Balkans living in Canada?

I think American refugee living in Thailand sounds a bit worse

The problem, of course, is that a lot of the people who don't get their free government money are going to switch to stealing it from others.

As a Centrist Democrat I've been saying for a long time that the onus should be on the recipient to prove that they're incapable of work, otherwise they should be required to devote 20 to 40 hours a week to one or more government agencies, as free labor. It only seems fair and there should be no reason for absolute freebies, unless one is very handicapped or injured.

As a Centrist Democrat I've been saying for a long time that the onus should be on the recipient to prove that they're incapable of work, otherwise they should be required to devote 20 to 40 hours a week to one or more government agencies, as free labor. It only seems fair and there should be no reason for absolute freebies, unless one is very handicapped or injured.

Government mandated free labor. I think the lefties would immediately refer to that as "slavery".

Then there would be much screeching and lawsuits out the wazoo when one demographic or another is "mandated" more than white males.

I agree with you, sure. But there's a reason we've been paying out social extortion for the past 60+ years. Nowadays, it's called "Suicidal Empathy".

Edited May 8May 8 by impulse

Lets start with corporate fraud first. It is more efficient than auditing 4 million people at 10k each.

42 minutes ago, impulse said:

Government mandated free labor. I think the lefties would immediately refer to that as "slavery".

Would they be getting some kind of benefits like SNAP (or something else) so it wouldn't be slavery? But that said, doing work that needs done should be paid for.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

As a Centrist Democrat I've been saying for a long time that the onus should be on the recipient to prove that they're incapable of work, otherwise they should be required to devote 20 to 40 hours a week to one or more government agencies, as free labor. It only seems fair and there should be no reason for absolute freebies, unless one is very handicapped or injured.

Yeah, good call. In Hong Kong there's not a lot of free money given out, but the government thought it'd be better to pay minimum wage for people to do what most would call menial tasks, such as road sweeping and rubbish clearance to collection centres where the government agencies then collect and dispose of.

In general (there will be exceptions I'm sure), those who cannot work are looked after.

In the UK, where I'm from, it seems the opposite to me; those who cannot work seem to find it hard to get the support they need, whilst far too many get money for nothing whilst the streets are a disgusting mess.

Edited May 8May 8 by Watawattana

11 hours ago, Celsius said:

I agree. They should also look for Americans using similar scams while living in Thailand

The Dems are designer Thieves. They complain when the so called needy are discovered abusing the system.

Would they be getting some kind of benefits like SNAP (or something else) so it wouldn't be slavery? But that said, doing work that needs done should be paid for.

Hey, I don't disagree with you. But isn't it the Dems and lefties claiming there are jobs that Americans just won't do? That we need immigrants to do them? Doesn't that just result in a viscous cycle, given that somewhere around 50% of immigrants are on some government assistance program or another...

Can you imagine the screeching when they have to do those crap jobs, or go hungry?

BTW, I have little sympathy for the "Americans that won't do those demeaning jobs", having shoveled dog poop for less than a dollar an hour in high school. That experience convinced me to pursue a little more education. I call it "building character".

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Social programs are the least of the Govt waste. When the Pentagon can misplace trillions, seems to never be able to pass an audit, and nobody is accountable, you got a wee bit of a problem.

When NASA has 3X the budget of Space X, but Space X has to rescue the astronauts from the ISS, I'd say a few funds are wasted.

I'd be all for some aspects of the USA services being 'socialized' and some industries being 'nationalized', but govt seems to ruin everything they touch. Social Security & Medicare are 2 prime examples of total Govt failures.

They can't even run two simple programs, that probably directly affect 1/3 of the population, if not more.

The funds wasted on defense & NASA would probably pay for both. Why so many people hate paying taxes.

GAO claims 250- 535B of waste fraud & abuse yearly.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/hearing-wrap-up-congress-must-utilize-gaos-high-risk-list-to-effectively-combat-waste-fraud-and-abuse/

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

Hey, I don't disagree with you. But isn't it the Dems and lefties claiming there are jobs that Americans just won't do? That we need immigrants to do them? Doesn't that just result in a viscous cycle, given that somewhere around 50% of immigrants are on some government assistance program or another...

Can you imagine the screeching when they have to do those crap jobs, or go hungry?

BTW, I have little sympathy for the "Americans that won't do those demeaning jobs", having shoveled dog poop for less than a dollar an hour in high school. That experience convinced me to pursue a little more education. I call it "building character".

Brilliant! I worked in a slaughter house cleaning up cow guts during the summer months in my teenage yrs .

What a incentive to be all that I could be.

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

Hey, I don't disagree with you. But isn't it the Dems and lefties claiming there are jobs that Americans just won't do? That we need immigrants to do them? Doesn't that just result in a viscous cycle, given that somewhere around 50% of immigrants are on some government assistance program or another...

Can you imagine the screeching when they have to do those crap jobs, or go hungry?

BTW, I have little sympathy for the "Americans that won't do those demeaning jobs", having shoveled dog poop for less than a dollar an hour in high school. That experience convinced me to pursue a little more education. I call it "building character".

The Marxist dems want 10’s of thousands of foreign nationals to pick the crops akin to plantation workers of the 1700’s.

Don’t be surprised to find the serial abusers in sanctuary locations.

This gaslighting crap makes me sick. The majority of SNAP recipients are working poor with low paying or unstable jobs. The difference between Rep and Dem - Democrats prioritize preventing suffering even if it means some undeserving people benefit, while Republicans prioritize preventing fraud and dependency, even if it means some truly needy individuals slip through the cracks.

AI Overview

Studies show that a large majority of non-disabled, working-age adults on SNAP work, with some data indicating that up to 70% of working-age SNAP recipients work full-time. However, because the program includes many children and seniors, most able-bodied people who receive food stamps are employed, while many others supplement unstable incomes according to the Government Accountability Office. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

4 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

This gaslighting crap makes me sick. The majority of SNAP recipients are working poor with low paying or unstable jobs. The difference between Rep and Dem - Democrats prioritize preventing suffering even if it means some undeserving people benefit, while Republicans prioritize preventing fraud and dependency, even if it means some truly needy individuals slip through the cracks.

AI Overview

Studies show that a large majority of non-disabled, working-age adults on SNAP work, with some data indicating that up to 70% of working-age SNAP recipients work full-time. However, because the program includes many children and seniors, most able-bodied people who receive food stamps are employed, while many others supplement unstable incomes according to the Government Accountability Office. [

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, 3, 4, 5]

4 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

This gaslighting crap makes me sick. The majority of SNAP recipients are working poor with low paying or unstable jobs. The difference between Rep and Dem - Democrats prioritize preventing suffering even if it means some undeserving people benefit, while Republicans prioritize preventing fraud and dependency, even if it means some truly needy individuals slip through the cracks.

AI Overview

Studies show that a large majority of non-disabled, working-age adults on SNAP work, with some data indicating that up to 70% of working-age SNAP recipients work full-time. However, because the program includes many children and seniors, most able-bodied people who receive food stamps are employed, while many others supplement unstable incomes according to the Government Accountability Office. [

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, 3, 4, 5]

An that being said 4.3 million left the system.Especially the ones that drove luxury cars.Its always the bad apples that make it look much worse than it always has been.

Edited May 8May 8 by riclag

However, because the program includes many children and seniors, most able-bodied people who receive food stamps are employed,

The key word there is "most". That means some of them don't work at all. Some of us think that's wrong.

The SNAP Budget: A Guide to Professional Outrage

In the grand theater of American fiscal responsibility, we have reached the climax of our favorite long-running play: "The Case of the Missing Cents."

If you listen to the breathless warnings coming from certain corners of the internet, the SNAP program is a lawless wasteland where every recipient is actually three raccoons in a trench coat, laundering lobster tails through a complicated offshore accounts system. But when you actually look at the ledger, the math is a bit more... "uncoordinated."

The Hall of Mirrors

• The Masterminds ($1 Billion): Yes, roughly $1 billion is lost to deliberate misreporting. This represents less than 1% of the budget. To keep this in perspective: if the SNAP budget were a 10-hole round of golf, this "fraud" is equivalent to missing a six-inch putt on the very last green. It’s annoying, sure, but it’s hardly the reason you lost the tournament.

• The "Oopsie" Fund ($9 Billion): The real heavy lifting is done by honest mistakes. This is the $9 billion black hole created when a recipient forgets that their 19-year-old got a part-time job at a car wash, or when a government worker—likely fueled by lukewarm coffee and a flickering fluorescent light—hits the "4" key instead of the "1." This isn’t a heist; it’s just a national tribute to the fact that paperwork is hard.

• The Corner Store Cartel ($2.5 Billion): Then we have the retailers. While everyone is busy checking the pockets of the guy in the checkout line, a few shop owners are out back trading benefits for cash at a 50% markup. It turns out the "criminal element" is less "Ocean’s Eleven" and more "The Bodega Three."

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The Moral of the Story

As usual, the self-appointed guardians of the treasury are performing a magnificent feat of biological irony.

They are out here in the tall grass, squinting through magnifying glasses, absolutely losing their minds because they found a gnat (that 1% fraud rate). They are screaming, they are pointing, they are drafting 400-page "purging" bills to catch that one bug.

Meanwhile, right behind them, they are casually swallowing a camel—the massive, lumpy, $9 billion beast of bureaucratic incompetence and systemic errors—without so much as reaching for a glass of water.

It’s a truly impressive display of selective vision: they can spot a dishonest nickel from a mile away, but they can’t see the mountain of administrative math errors currently sitting on their own shoes. Keep straining, fellas; that gnat is looking really dangerous today

13 hours ago, riclag said:

Its called Waste-Fraud- and Abuse. Its Get busy workin time, instead of being reliant on the Govt.

"VP JD Vance’s Task Force: 200,000 Dead People on SNAP".

"The report sites People collecting food Stamps driving Luxury cars".

These efforts have already helped remove approximately 4.3 million people from the program, redirecting taxpayer monies to those who truly need them while strengthening eligibility checks, closing loopholes, and promoting work & self sufficiency.

The USDA head said they are goin after the retailers too.

The story is based on a Fox Business report.

Of course, it's BS, as usual. 🤣

They did not leave because they were fraudsters, but because the laws has changed, in particular re. work requirements (big and beautiful bill).

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-snap-food-stamps-fraud-rollins-1a964909ae5cb808813a6478bbfa5f65

Edited May 8May 8 by candide

The benefits system back in Britain is reportedly out of control. It appears, whoever you are and wherever you come from, you just need to roll up and say you need money and you will get it. Annoying, to say the least, for those who work and pay taxes.

On 5/8/2026 at 9:44 AM, KhunLA said:

Social programs are the least of the Govt waste. When the Pentagon can misplace trillions, seems to never be able to pass an audit, and nobody is accountable, you got a wee bit of a problem.

When NASA has 3X the budget of Space X, but Space X has to rescue the astronauts from the ISS, I'd say a few funds are wasted.

I'd be all for some aspects of the USA services being 'socialized' and some industries being 'nationalized', but govt seems to ruin everything they touch. Social Security & Medicare are 2 prime examples of total Govt failures.

They can't even run two simple programs, that probably directly affect 1/3 of the population, if not more.

The funds wasted on defense & NASA would probably pay for both. Why so many people hate paying taxes.

There is government waste in every part of every government. Be it intentional or through stupidity.

I can remember the saga of the 200 dollar hammer

We have what is happening in Minnesota as the biggest example of waste and stupidity.

Look at what is happening there, not only is the government handing it out, but they let one of the biggest crooks out on a 15k bond and gave him his passport so he could fly to Kenya with all the money

The Canadian government is not much better, either through neglect or again stupidity.

What governments need is a watchdog that has free rein, is not politically accountable, and has the authority to lay charges or launch investigations when it finds something.

The DOGE team was a great idea; the only reason it wasn't liked was that it was a TRUMP GOP idea. If Obama had set it up, the DNC would have been singing its praises and pushing it.

39 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

The benefits system back in Britain is reportedly out of control. It appears, whoever you are and wherever you come from, you just need to roll up and say you need money and you will get it. Annoying, to say the least, for those who work and pay taxes.

Well said! Progressives everywhere want to globalize their humanity on parks corners & fresh air departments all over the world. They're experiment forgot about the countries beginnings and the cultures that made them great & prosperous.

9 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

There is government waste in every part of every government. Be it intentional or through stupidity.

I can remember the saga of the 200 dollar hammer

We have what is happening in Minnesota as the biggest example of waste and stupidity.

Look at what is happening there, not only is the government handing it out, but they let one of the biggest crooks out on a 15k bond and gave him his passport so he could fly to Kenya with all the money

The Canadian government is not much better, either through neglect or again stupidity.

What governments need is a watchdog that has free rein, is not politically accountable, and has the authority to lay charges or launch investigations when it finds something.

The DOGE team was a great idea; the only reason it wasn't liked was that it was a TRUMP GOP idea. If Obama had set it up, the DNC would have been singing its praises and pushing it.

The radical bureaucracy searched high & low to manipulate loopholes.When discovered by honest citizens , the system turned a blind eye to the corruption in Minnesota.

These socialist radicals think the tax revenue is their piggy bank. And when they get found they utter identity politic slurs.

Some socialist are so warped in their bubble they think shoplifting is done out of necessity.

The in step propaganda machine below:

“Fraud within the SNAP is small, according to experts — not nearly enough to account for such a significant drop”

Who are these experts?How many illegal foreigners were reaping the benefits?The latter is not known .

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-snap-food-stamps-fraud-rollins-1a964909ae5cb808813a6478bbfa5f65

On 5/8/2026 at 9:44 AM, KhunLA said:

Social Security & Medicare are 2 prime examples of total Govt failures.

of course... that's why they're the most popular programs amongst voters!

2 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

There is government waste in every part of every government. Be it intentional or through stupidity.

I can remember the saga of the 200 dollar hammer

We have what is happening in Minnesota as the biggest example of waste and stupidity.

Look at what is happening there, not only is the government handing it out, but they let one of the biggest crooks out on a 15k bond and gave him his passport so he could fly to Kenya with all the money

The Canadian government is not much better, either through neglect or again stupidity.

What governments need is a watchdog that has free rein, is not politically accountable, and has the authority to lay charges or launch investigations when it finds something.

The DOGE team was a great idea; the only reason it wasn't liked was that it was a TRUMP GOP idea. If Obama had set it up, the DNC would have been singing its praises and pushing it.

Musk's final guesstimate, with DOGE was 80% wasted, 20% of taxes actually provide services. NGOs being the biggest scams. It's embarrassing TBH, that the public, self included, were that F'g stupid, and sadly, it's going to continue.

Seriously one reason I stop generating income, especially when big returns. All my risk, and govt want ~40%. I'm not going to waste my time for 60 cents on the dollar. Thinking many like me, get enough, then stop generating income, along with taxes & retire. Or structure it, so it's not taxable, which is way too easy.

Simply borrow money on your assets, and pay low interest on loan, <10%, instead of high taxes on income, >30%.

38 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Musk's final guesstimate, with DOGE

Oh yeah... I heard of him.... is he the guy that got 14B$ in government handouts and subsidies?

As of early 2025, Tesla has benefited from billions in government support, including approximately $11.4 billion in regulatory credits sold to other automakers since 2014. Additionally, state and local governments have provided at least $1.5 billion in tax breaks, grants, and incentives, while federal loans, such as the $465 million loan in 2010, were crucial to its early operations.

Key Government Support Components:

• Regulatory Credits ($11.4B+): Tesla earns credits for producing zero-emission vehicles, which it sells to other manufacturers.

• State & Local Incentives ($1.5B+): Major incentives include Nevada's tax exemptions (approx. $1.1B in tax breaks) and New York's subsidies for the Giga New York factory

Edited May 9May 9 by gamb00ler