For me, lots of problems with this assumption - British Pensioners are NOT despised - IMO a FALSE premise.

Maybe people don't show as much respect as they used to and that might be more true of some elements in disenchanted youngsters. But I don't find that Pensioners are singled out for a lack of respect. NOT at all.

It's fair to say that Pensioners are often quite well off and hold property and wealth in the form of housing. Youngsters may be carrying student loan liability and finding it very difficult to get a job even before trying to rent or buy a property that is wildly overpriced. Social housing is very hard to get.

Pensioners should drop the illusion that, "I paid into it all my life" and I'm entitled - NO! We Pensioners paid NI BUT that was in truth, just another tax which was spent on that year's Govt. outgoings, education, health, defence, roads etc. NOTHING was set aside for the future.

Our Pensions come (and always have), from the current year's tax income !

The 'triple lock' should be dropped immediately and the State Pension should be means tested and reserved for those who DO need it. 'Gold plated' pensions for Govt. employees should also be cut back!

I feel very sorry for youngsters in the UK these days.

Edited May 28May 28 by TorquayFan

7 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

For me, lots of problems with this assumption - British Pensioners are NOT despised - IMO a FALSE premise.

Maybe people don't show as much respect as they used to and that might be more true of some elements in disenchanted youngsters. But I don't find that Pensioners are singled out for a lack of respect. NOT at all.

It's fair to say that Pensioners are often quite well off and hold property and wealth in the form of housing. Youngsters may be carrying student loan liability and finding it very difficult to get a job even before trying to rent or buy a property that is wildly overpriced. Social housing is very hard to get.

Pensioners should drop the illusion that, "I paid into it all my life" and I'm entitled - NO! We Pensioners paid NI BUT that was in truth, just another tax which was spent on that year's Govt. outgoings, education, health, defence, roads etc. NOTHING was set aside for the future.

Our Pensions come (and always have), from the current year's tax income !

The 'triple lock' should be dropped immediately and the State Pension should be means tested and reserved for those who DO need it. 'Gold plated' pensions for Govt. employees should also be cut back!

I feel very sorry for youngsters in the UK these days.

The problem with many European pension systems is that they were built for another reality.

17 minutes ago, Surasak said:

In effect an insurance company? So, where was the insurance??

You know the answer to that. It mainly started after 1997, so many lost everything with no chance of saving again, ruined 100 of thousands people's lives

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The problem with many European pension systems is that they were built for another reality.

Exactly and thanks.

It's important that we talk about the facts, the present facts.

17 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

For me, lots of problems with this assumption - British Pensioners are NOT despised - IMO a FALSE premise.

Maybe people don't show as much respect as they used to and that might be more true of some elements in disenchanted youngsters. But I don't find that Pensioners are singled out for a lack of respect. NOT at all.

It's fair to say that Pensioners are often quite well off and hold property and wealth in the form of housing. Youngsters may be carrying student loan liability and finding it very difficult to get a job even before trying to rent or buy a property that is wildly overpriced. Social housing is very hard to get.

Pensioners should drop the illusion that, "I paid into it all my life" and I'm entitled - NO! We Pensioners paid NI BUT that was in truth, just another tax which was spent on that year's Govt. outgoings, education, health, defence, roads etc. NOTHING was set aside for the future.

Our Pensions come (and always have), from the current year's tax income !

The 'triple lock' should be dropped immediately and the State Pension should be means tested and reserved for those who DO need it. 'Gold plated' pensions for Govt. employees should also be cut back!

I feel very sorry for youngsters in the UK these days.

In Australia the age pension is totally means tested meaning many get nothing. Government workers who started after 2003 don't get the nice pensions too.

I think the young don't hate the older folk but they definitely feel they have benefited a lot from things like property rises leaving them in a hard position. It's more a case of seeing older curmudgeons and saying - hey you had it pretty good so stop whingeing.

As an aside our government introduced new laws recently to put significantly higher taxes on investments and give workers a small tax offset in part to address this generational imbalance. But many young are peeved as now when they want to invest they have to pay more tax.

On 5/27/2026 at 3:45 AM, baansgr said:

Exactly, that's great and how it should be

And long may that state of affairs continue

On 5/27/2026 at 9:52 AM, marin said:

You had never even been to Thailand 25 years ago. What are you babbling about?

He may have - going by his current annual rate of "personal reinvention" that may well have been getting on for a hundred "identities" ago, so you can be forgiven for having lost track!

I was here (as he has from time to time reminded me, I am not sure why but never mind) 22 odd years ago (25 + actually): all I can say is that there were idiots here, both on the ground and on various forums then.

The previous generation of older Brits fought in, or at least lived through, WW2. Later generations are perceived to have had it easy by comparison, especially those who have benefitted from huge increases in the value of their accomodation. Despise may be a bit strong a word, but younger people certainly envy those of us who have had an easier ride.

I personally don't find young people hating pensioners they will be one themselves later in life

If anything it's those on benefits who could work but chose not to as better money and they are lazy

Don't get me started on illegal immigrants

This Labour government need sorting out

17 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

For me, lots of problems with this assumption - British Pensioners are NOT despised - IMO a FALSE premise.

Maybe people don't show as much respect as they used to and that might be more true of some elements in disenchanted youngsters. But I don't find that Pensioners are singled out for a lack of respect. NOT at all.

It's fair to say that Pensioners are often quite well off and hold property and wealth in the form of housing. Youngsters may be carrying student loan liability and finding it very difficult to get a job even before trying to rent or buy a property that is wildly overpriced. Social housing is very hard to get.

Pensioners should drop the illusion that, "I paid into it all my life" and I'm entitled - NO! We Pensioners paid NI BUT that was in truth, just another tax which was spent on that year's Govt. outgoings, education, health, defence, roads etc. NOTHING was set aside for the future.

Our Pensions come (and always have), from the current year's tax income !

The 'triple lock' should be dropped immediately and the State Pension should be means tested and reserved for those who DO need it. 'Gold plated' pensions for Govt. employees should also be cut back!

I feel very sorry for youngsters in the UK these days.

52 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

For me, lots of problems with this assumption - British Pensioners are NOT despised - IMO a FALSE premise.

Maybe people don't show as much respect as they used to and that might be more true of some elements in disenchanted youngsters. But I don't find that Pensioners are singled out for a lack of respect. NOT at all.

It's fair to say that Pensioners are often quite well off and hold property and wealth in the form of housing. Youngsters may be carrying student loan liability and finding it very difficult to get a job even before trying to rent or buy a property that is wildly overpriced. Social housing is very hard to get.

Pensioners should drop the illusion that, "I paid into it all my life" and I'm entitled - NO! We Pensioners paid NI BUT that was in truth, just another tax which was spent on that year's Govt. outgoings, education, health, defence, roads etc. NOTHING was set aside for the future.

Our Pensions come (and always have), from the current year's tax income !

The 'triple lock' should be dropped immediately and the State Pension should be means tested and reserved for those who DO need it. 'Gold plated' pensions for Govt. employees should also be cut back!

I feel very sorry for youngsters in the UK these days.

You sum everything up in your 3rd paragraph...pensioners are wealthy because they nought a property 40-50 years ago...this is the kind of nonsense I am talking about.

Ill give you a perfect example...and maybe closer tou your home in Paignton.

An 85 year old with a property worth £350,000 with a pension of just over £700 a month....council tax this year is almost £300 a month...leaving this "wealthy" pensioner £400 to buy food and pay utilities...get real..you are living in cloud cuckoo land....I suppose you think they should downsize???...are you that cruel, you know what that would do to this person???... And the sad fact is, this is the state so many pensioners find themselves in, can't afford the heating, buying the cheapest food and even going to food banks...This was the hate, nastiness or whatever you want to call it, that the young seem to think is ok

17 minutes ago, baansgr said:

An 85 year old with a property worth £350,000 with a pension of just over £700 a month....council tax this year is almost £300 a month...leaving this "wealthy" pensioner £400 to buy food and pay utilities...get real..you are living in cloud cuckoo land....I suppose you think they should downsize???.

Equity release solves that problem.

1 hour ago, potless said:

Equity release solves that problem.

1 hour ago, potless said:

Equity release solves that problem.

Have you ever looked at the commissions and interest rates they charge? Not to mention the effects it can have on the future regarding going into a home. Equity release is as bad as timeshare...so no, it does not solve the problem...at best it kicks it down the line causing an even bigger problem in the future

Edited May 28May 28 by baansgr

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

The previous generation of older Brits fought in, or at least lived through, WW2. Later generations are perceived to have had it easy by comparison, especially those who have benefitted from huge increases in the value of their accomodation. Despise may be a bit strong a word, but younger people certainly envy those of us who have had an easier ride.

Give an example of how weve had an easier ride???

Annuity rates decimated because of low interest rates

O.1% increase on private pensions because of low interest rates.

Yet having to pay 15% interest on our mortgage.

The list goes on

3 hours ago, Surasak said:

A Brexit Hater? I bet you voted for the MOB of idiots we have running the UK to bankruptcy at present?

To be fair, Cons and Lab have both been following the same agenda for the past 20 years.

And Farage isn't any different, his party is full of immigrants and Lab/Con MPs.

It's not as if there had been any real opposition until Lowe and Restore (and Tommy).

2 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

In Australia the age pension is totally means tested meaning many get nothing. Government workers who started after 2003 don't get the nice pensions too.

I think the young don't hate the older folk but they definitely feel they have benefited a lot from things like property rises leaving them in a hard position. It's more a case of seeing older curmudgeons and saying - hey you had it pretty good so stop whingeing.

As an aside our government introduced new laws recently to put significantly higher taxes on investments and give workers a small tax offset in part to address this generational imbalance. But many young are peeved as now when they want to invest they have to pay more tax.

I occasionally see questions directed at the financial guru of an Australian newspaper along the following lines - “My wife and I own a $2 million home together with a $1 million holiday home and $0.5 million in shares. What’s the best way that we can arrange our assets so that we can receive the age pension?”. I can see why young people would be outraged at this. And I’m speaking as someone who receives a small part age pension, and who definitely doesn’t need it.

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

The previous generation of older Brits fought in, or at least lived through, WW2. Later generations are perceived to have had it easy by comparison, especially those who have benefitted from huge increases in the value of their accomodation. Despise may be a bit strong a word, but younger people certainly envy those of us who have had an easier ride.

Those that didn't lose their homes in divorce ............

Before the mid 1990s, no man lost his home or pension in a UK divorce

(Laws introduced by Con leader John Major to asset strip men).

Edited May 28May 28 by BritManToo

On 5/27/2026 at 6:09 AM, DonniePeverley said:

1) They are protected with the triple lock, but will vote for a party like Reform that will destroy the country - they should have to face consequences of failing economy too. They don't share the burden of the things they bring about.

2) Most benefitted from the sell of council homes, and benefitted hugely now.

3) They vote, so constantly governments pander to them

4) They overwhelmingly voted for Brexit, but it is the younger generation that have to carry the ramifications.

5) Most are racist

You are the exact type of person the OP was referring to confirmed at your bitterness regarding the Democratic Brexit vote.

15 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Have you ever looked at the commissions and interest rates they charge? Not to mention the effects it can have on the future regarding going into a home. Equity release is as bad as timeshare...so no, it does not solve the problem...at best it kicks it down the line causing an even bigger problem in the future

Edited 14 minutes ago14 min by baansgr

It solves the problem for an 80 year old man who is barely able to make ends meet. Some quality of life.

Yes, I know the fees and interest mount up but he could easily get a £50k advance that wouldnt impact the amount of equity left by a great deal. Invest the money and maybe pay himself £5k a year would see him into his nineties. How long may he live is the unknown.

34 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Give an example of how weve had an easier ride???

Annuity rates decimated because of low interest rates

O.1% increase on private pensions because of low interest rates.

Yet having to pay 15% interest on our mortgage.

The list goes on

I wrote 'those of us', not all of us.

On 5/27/2026 at 4:41 AM, Prubangboy said:

England is flat out broke.

And not just financially.

Non-Boomer here.

Younger gens see the boomer generation as selfish degenerates who oversaw the destruction of England and the other British countries - Took a decent country and ruined it.
Most recently by supporting mass immigration (Starmer, Johnson, May, Brown, Blair etc ALL Boomers (Sunak doesn't count as he's foreign & wasn't voited in - placed there probably by a....boomer))

Boomers are still in control and are further ruining the country.
There is a meme called 'day of the pillow' regarding the final solution to the boomer problem.

Don't shoot the messenger!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSF3n3Btz7k

Edited May 28May 28 by Tourist2

2 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

In Australia the age pension is totally means tested meaning many get nothing. Government workers who started after 2003 don't get the nice pensions too.

I think the young don't hate the older folk but they definitely feel they have benefited a lot from things like property rises leaving them in a hard position. It's more a case of seeing older curmudgeons and saying - hey you had it pretty good so stop whingeing.

As an aside our government introduced new laws recently to put significantly higher taxes on investments and give workers a small tax offset in part to address this generational imbalance. But many young are peeved as now when they want to invest they have to pay more tax.

29 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Non-Boomer here.

Younger gens see the boomer generation as selfish degenerates who oversaw the destruction of England and the other British countries - Took a decent country and ruined it.
Most recently by supporting mass immigration (Starmer, Johnson, May, Brown, Blair etc ALL Boomers (Sunak doesn't count as he's foreign & wasn't voited in - placed there probably by a....boomer))

Boomers are still in control and are further ruining the country.
There is a meme called 'day of the pillow' regarding the final solution to the boomer problem.

Don't shoot the messenger!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSF3n3Btz7k

Which country did the boomers take over and ruin?

2 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Which country did the boomers take over and ruin?

All trad white western countries.
The were great before your (de)gen got into power but now they are debt ridden and ethnically screwed (if you're white and like being around your own).

Obvs not u personally but as a gen? Maybe the worst ever.
Good times create weak men and all that

2 hours ago, potless said:

It solves the problem for an 80 year old man who is barely able to make ends meet. Some quality of life.

Yes, I know the fees and interest mount up but he could easily get a £50k advance that wouldnt impact the amount of equity left by a great deal. Invest the money and maybe pay himself £5k a year would see him into his nineties. How long may he live is the unknown.

2 hours ago, potless said:

It solves the problem for an 80 year old man who is barely able to make ends meet. Some quality of life.

Yes, I know the fees and interest mount up but he could easily get a £50k advance that wouldnt impact the amount of equity left by a great deal. Invest the money and maybe pay himself £5k a year would see him into his nineties. How long may he live is the unknown.

2 hours ago, potless said:

It solves the problem for an 80 year old man who is barely able to make ends meet. Some quality of life.

Yes, I know the fees and interest mount up but he could easily get a £50k advance that wouldnt impact the amount of equity left by a great deal. Invest the money and maybe pay himself £5k a year would see him into his nineties. How long may he live is the unknown.

She's already looked into it and believe me, it's shocking how much a mere £

14 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

All trad white western countries.
The were great before your (de)gen got into power but now they are debt ridden and ethnically screwed (if you're white and like being around your own).

Obvs not u personally but as a gen? Maybe the worst ever.
Good times create weak men and all that

But which country in specific I'd really like to know please

22 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

All trad white western countries.
The were great before your (de)gen got into power but now they are debt ridden and ethnically screwed (if you're white and like being around your own).

Obvs not u personally but as a gen? Maybe the worst ever.
Good times create weak men and all that

F off you nazi

Edited May 28May 28 by baansgr

Just now, baansgr said:

F off you nazi

On 5/27/2026 at 3:28 AM, scubascuba3 said:

That's not about hate that's about unaffordability

No problem spending £100 billion plus and more than 20 years to build a railway from London to Birmingham, about 110 miles. In the 1830s they did it in 5 years.

15 minutes ago, baansgr said:

F off you nazi

If the Nazi Silent Gen had won WW2 Yookay would probably still be 99% white.
Yeah so maybe "wE'd aLl bE sPeaKing gERman n0w" but that would be better than what's happened.

Yookay silent gen were fooled - fought for NOTHING since Poland was given to Stalin)- and
England was sold out / given away by their degen boomer kids generation.

Edited May 28May 28 by Tourist2

On 5/27/2026 at 3:28 AM, scubascuba3 said:

That's not about hate that's about unaffordability

Also funny how they fail to mention that people who provided for themselves continue to pay income tax when retired. And VAT. Funny how they never mention all the income tax, VAT and NICs that pensions paid through their working life. Funny they the don't mention IHT. Funny how they don't mention the qualifying period was 44 years, I contributed for 54 years. Funny how affordability isn't mentioned when illegal immigrants are put up in hotels. No it is hate, the politicians despise pensioners but love tax evading multinationals.

Personally, it is because government have run things to the ground the leaders don't live with these policy policies that over up their inept leadership. So take a apple pie for example they pit us against each other for that slice id if in this case the seniors are the blame for why good intented programs to help have been run into the ground to buy votes for themselves.

In the U.S. they label it entitlement and the young voters are too stupid to see it.

Another example, I believe medical care is a right for every citizen since it effects everyone but I never said i wanted it for free but when Obama set it up he divide the country with so much of his nonsense forcing the young to purchase policy so I got mines for a dollar a month

This is what socialist politician do,