1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

True, as all presidents I've heard about and seen have made mistakes, but he established the Federal Trade Commission, saw the 16th Amendment passed, led the US through World War I, helped workers during strikes won the Nobel Peace Prize through the League of nations and helped the economy at that time.

hitler made the trains run on time. wilson, or whoever pulled his strings, was a racist authoritarian in the mode of our modern socialists

12 hours ago, BLMFem said:

"im proud to be an america and trump is doing the things i voted for."

So no more wars and lower prices. Go it!

MAGAs stick a finger up Trump's bloated behind and see which way the vapors are flowing, so...

They were against endless wars until they were for them

They were against high prices until they were for them

I think they also like the fact Trump's State Fairlure is so poorly attended that they can have plenty of room, never have to wait in line for those nutritious corndogs, and be first in line at the Port-o-Potties when they have to void.

One need only look at who his cult is (extracting the purely self-serving Epstein Class centibillionaires):

Poorly educated, unsuccessful, obese, old and butt ugly. (Cult members can go look in the mirror and check their bank balance, if they doubt this). They're the kind of people who hate immigrants for two reasons: the cult is racist, and they fear losing their manual labor job to someone who works much harder and will quickly move up the socio-economic scale, once given the chance embodied in America.

8 minutes ago, Wingate said:

MAGAs stick a finger up Trump's bloated behind and see which way the vapors are flowing, so...

They were against endless wars until they were for them

They were against high prices until they were for them

I think they also like the fact Trump's State Fairlure is so poorly attended that they can have plenty of room, never have to wait in line for those nutritious corndogs, and be first in line at the Port-o-Potties when they have to void.

One need only look at who his cult is (extracting the purely self-serving Epstein Class centibillionaires):

Poorly educated, unsuccessful, obese, old and butt ugly. (Cult members can go look in the mirror and check their bank balance, if they doubt this). They're the kind of people who hate immigrants for two reasons: the cult is racist, and they fear losing their manual labor job to someone who works much harder and will quickly move up the socio-economic scale, once given the chance embodied in America.

The kid that bullied you 50 years ago still lives in your head daily.

9 minutes ago, Wingate said:

MAGAs stick a finger up Trump's bloated behind and see which way the vapors are flowing, so...

They were against endless wars until they were for them

They were against high prices until they were for them

I think they also like the fact Trump's State Fairlure is so poorly attended that they can have plenty of room, never have to wait in line for those nutritious corndogs, and be first in line at the Port-o-Potties when they have to void.

One need only look at who his cult is (extracting the purely self-serving Epstein Class centibillionaires):

Poorly educated, unsuccessful, obese, old and butt ugly. (Cult members can go look in the mirror and check their bank balance, if they doubt this). They're the kind of people who hate immigrants for two reasons: the cult is racist, and they fear losing their manual labor job to someone who works much harder and will quickly move up the socio-economic scale, once given the chance embodied in America.

It's was not a bad discussion until you came along.

2 hours ago, TedG said:

You have never been to a swamp.

Correct I've never been to the US

23 minutes ago, Wingate said:

They were against endless wars until they were for them

They were against high prices until they were for them

You mean like this ?

57 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Carter was top 3 worst.

One of the worst, AND, one of the the BEST influences, along with Reagan, but not in a good way. Excellent for me, as showed me, you can't depend on businesses/employers, gov't to be there if & when you need them.

Those 2 made me realize, I need to be independent of all. Hence started my RE / slumlord Empire & self employment ... FREEDOM 🙄

The rest as they say ... is history.

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

You mean like this ?

He'll be disappointed, as Biden won't run again

... "AI Overview

Yes, the highest diesel price in US history was indeed recorded during the Biden administration.

The national average hit an all-time record of $5.81 per gallon in the summer of 2022.

During this peak, prices were much higher in certain regions, with the West Coast and California frequently exceeding $6.50 per gallon" ...

Edited June 30Jun 30 by KhunLA

11 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Correct I've never been to the US

But you spend 12 hours a day hating Trump 555

In my lifetime: Reagan just behind Clinton. Obama not at that level, but such a nice fellow.

Edited June 30Jun 30 by Peter Crow

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

Correct I've never been to the US

I know, the Great Dismal Swamp is a cool place to visit. Also, The Everglades in Florida is worth a visit. It's a great place to take photos of wildlife.

More bad news for Trump haters.

The EU might copy Trump with ICE agents to deport illegals.

In other words, Trump may be single-handedly responsible for massive change across the EU.

It would be a monumental historically significant achievement for which most EU citizens would be thankful.

I just watched a video online. In a city in Italy, locals stopped going to a local park because it's overtaken with illegal migrant drug dealers.

Maybe Trump is the worst ever for elites who were profiting from illegals?

Edited June 30Jun 30 by save the frogs

Lincoln was the worst, a white supremacist obsessed with keeping a voluntary union in place by force costing over 600k lives. His war is painted these days as being to end slavery, but at the start of the war 4 Union states were slave states, 4 years later at the end slavery was still legal in all of them, Lincoln did nothing his pointless proclamation almost 2. years into the war only applied to the CSA where he had no authority. Neither Davis or Lincoln said the war was about slavery.The CSA had as much right to leave the tyranny of the Union, as they saw it, as the 13 colonies had to leave the Crown in 1776.

Edited June 30Jun 30 by visalady

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

hitler made the trains run on time. wilson, or whoever pulled his strings, was a racist authoritarian in the mode of our modern socialists

Like I've always said. All presidents have done some good and some bad. The previous presidents mistakes have to be corrected (maybe) by the next one in line, and sometimes more problems are made. I've never been political and sit back and see the eventual truth.

This is a very powerful position, where ego drives a lot of people, where some get away with murder, where they can do things that upset world economy, like now, and where things that are done will take time to see if they were either detrimental or helpful.

I was just talking to my daughter a minute ago in Texas about this. She voted for Trump and now sees him as I always have, still recognizing he's done some good which no one can deny. Trump might get away with things that would put anyone else in prison, because he has great lawyers, is the president, and has a lot of money and friends. Will he with these Epstein files? Maybe.

Wilson definitely helped with things that are still helping Americans today, along with others that hurt. The same for all of them.

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

More bad news for Trump haters.

And more bad news for ranking Trump the worst ever.

The EU might copy Trump with ICE agents to deport illegals.

In other words, Trump may be single-handedly responsible for massive change across the EU.

It would be a monumental historically significant achievement that extends beyond the US borders.

Maybe Trump is the worst ever for elites who were profiting from illegals?

Yes, reading a lots of headlines, EU & more voting to cut bennies & deport illegal aliens/asylum/economic refugees. Enough already ❤️

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

More bad news for Trump haters.

The EU might copy Trump with ICE agents to deport illegals.

In other words, Trump may be single-handedly responsible for massive change across the EU.

It would be a monumental historically significant achievement for which most EU citizens would be thankful.

I just watched a video online. In a city in Italy, locals stopped going to a local park because it's overtaken with illegal migrant drug dealers.

Maybe Trump is the worst ever for elites who were profiting from illegals?

Loving it, seeing lots of headliners, as Trump leads the way, ridding the scum ...

5 minutes ago, visalady said:

Lincoln was the worst, a white supremacist obsessed with keeping a voluntary union in place by force costing over 600k lives. His war is painted these days as being to end slavery, but at the start of the war 4 Union states were slave states, 4 years later at the end slavery was still legal in all of them, Lincoln did nothing his pointless proclamation almost 2. years into the war only applied to the CSA where he had no authority. Neither Davis or Lincoln said the war was about slavery.The CSA had as much right to leave the tyranny of the Union, as they saw it, as the 13 colonies had to leave the Crown in 1776.

The Acclamation Proclamation made the war about slavery.

7 minutes ago, visalady said:

Lincoln was the worst, a white supremacist obsessed with keeping a voluntary union in place by force costing over 600k lives. His war is painted these days being to end slavery, but at the start of the war 4 Union states were slave states, 4 years later at the end slavery was still legal in all of them, Lincoln did nothing his pointless proclamation almost 3. years into the war only applied to the CSA where he had no authority. Neither Davis or Lincoln said the war was about slavery.The CSA had as much right to leave the tyranny of the Union, as they saw it, as the 13 colonies had to leave the Crown in 1776.

Lincoln was the same as many back then. White and somewhat prejudiced, but obviously he changed his thinking which brought about the end of slavery. That slavery is now stronger than ever before shows it has deep roots which are worldwide. Slavery didn't officially end until the 13th Amendment was out in 1865.

Slavery was the main reason the war started, along with western expansion where slavery wouldn't be allowed to occur. The South fighting for each states right to own humans. The South also "needed" slaves to work their plantations while the North was more industrialized. Voting in Lincoln was the beginning of the end of slavery.

54 minutes ago, TedG said:

I know, the Great Dismal Swamp is a cool place to visit. Also, The Everglades in Florida is worth a visit. It's a great place to take photos of wildlife.

Love swamps. Great places to hunt, fish and nature watch. Just watch out for things that bite, sting or suck blood.

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

Correct I've never been to the US

Which is an excellent reason not to label it as such. Some even visit there a few times and think they know all about it. Not near possible as it's huge, has everything anyone could want in one place, and all the best food from the planet.

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

im proud to be an america and trump is doing the things i voted for.

carry on with your peurile anonymous social media obsession, its going great overe here.

how about in your little country? hanging on to our leg whimpering like a toddler at a scary world

You must be a weird piece of work. Even if I voted for Trump I wouldn't admit to it.

27 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Which is an excellent reason not to label it as such. Some even visit there a few times and think they know all about it. Not near possible as it's huge, has everything anyone could want in one place, and all the best food from the planet.

So great you moved to Sisaket.

Bet all you Americans wish you all had stuck with King George lll instead of committing TREASON.

I'm with Thomas Sowell. Obama was the worst, until Biden.

58 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

Bet all you Americans wish you all had stuck with King George lll instead of committing TREASON.

Please explain how all us Americans have committed treason. Why would we stick with a mentally unstable King of another country?

This is AI but kinda sums up what he was about concerning Americans...................King George III wronged America by acting as a tyrant through unchecked taxation without representation, suspending colonial legislatures, and hiring Hessian mercenaries. He formally declared the colonies in "open rebellion" in 1775 and stubbornly prolonged the war to punish the colonists, ultimately ignoring American grievances and democratic rights.

America is lost!! To an unstable character perhaps, but we've proven otherwise.Considering the patriots as traitors with England's past history is sorta the pot calling the kettle black. Of course you possibly are being sarcastic, knowing the truth.

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Please explain how all us Americans have committed treason. Why would we stick with a mentally unstable King of another country?

This is AI but kinda sums up what he was about concerning Americans...................King George III wronged America by acting as a tyrant through unchecked taxation without representation, suspending colonial legislatures, and hiring Hessian mercenaries. He formally declared the colonies in "open rebellion" in 1775 and stubbornly prolonged the war to punish the colonists, ultimately ignoring American grievances and democratic rights.

America is lost!! To an unstable character perhaps, but we've proven otherwise.Considering the patriots as traitors with England's past history is sorta the pot calling the kettle black. Of course you possibly are being sarcastic, knowing the truth.

Looks like you sussed me out. Of course I was being a bit sarcastic or facetious but at my age there are very few things I actually take seriously any more.

Must be a slow day when folks are discussing US Presidents.

Remember the Sudan Civil War?

Ebola?

Ukraine?

Venezuela?

But, nooooooooooooo, we need to get our US President <removed> fix.

17 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Maybe the never ending posts of lies has something to do with it, Donald. Everybody whose not on heavy drugs could see the fair was a complete and utter failure, Donald!😂

It's a telling indication of Trump's mental age (~5 year old), when his Tweet with the intentional misspelling of Obama's name would get that Tweet removed from some Forum sites.

Trump is also still obsessed with size (going all the way back to Marco Rubio's comment about Trump's tiny hands and the Inauguration 1.0 crowd). Trump claimed 45,000 were at his speech at the opening of his Fair, while other estimates put the crowd at less than 1 thousand. That makes Trump's lie about the size of his Trump Tower condo (he claimed 30,000 sf, when it's actually just under 11,000 sf) seem mild in comparison.

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

He'll be disappointed, as Biden won't run again

... "AI Overview

Yes, the highest diesel price in US history was indeed recorded during the Biden administration.

The national average hit an all-time record of $5.81 per gallon in the summer of 2022.

During this peak, prices were much higher in certain regions, with the West Coast and California frequently exceeding $6.50 per gallon" ...

Lame false equivalence again. Biden did not cause the 2022 peak in global oil price. Trump did cause the recent peak. 🤣🤣🤣

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

More bad news for Trump haters.

The EU might copy Trump with ICE agents to deport illegals.

In other words, Trump may be single-handedly responsible for massive change across the EU.

It would be a monumental historically significant achievement for which most EU citizens would be thankful.

I just watched a video online. In a city in Italy, locals stopped going to a local park because it's overtaken with illegal migrant drug dealers.

Maybe Trump is the worst ever for elites who were profiting from illegals?

The EU changed regulations but didn't create ICE style agents. Actually, it cannot. 🤣

Between the current disaster with the governance of the European Union and the absurdity of Trump, neither seems better then the other.